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The smoking might have to be done outside if the laws there say

Posted By: to do so. Hoping it works out for you. NM on 2007-09-14
In Reply to: Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. SM - Need some help on this one

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I don't know current laws or laws in your state but sm
I was told they had to have 3 complaints before they paid a visit so just relax now that you did your cleaning and are prepared. Always best to prepare for the worst! Good luck to you with the divorce. I could have said your story!
ex in-laws
Thank you for your well thought-out reply. I plan on discussing this with him and at the same time will try to remain respectful of the fact that he loves his aunt. He is of course home for Christmas (and other holidays) and will be back here permanently around April. There are too many details of this situation to put on this board but I thank you again for your advice.
The in-laws
Hey, I am not sure if they are freaky, or not. I was raised in that church when I was young and switched as an adult. Since Matthew Winkler's father is also a COC minister it would be doubtful if he even knew about any of his son's warped proclivities (if he had them) since church members rarely, if ever, talk about things of that nature). It makes me sad to see that those grandparents are being labeled as warped just because of their religious beliefs. I must tell you that I have never met a member of that church who was a "bad person" and I have had exposure to lots of them. I have to wait and see the show. I am very interested in what she has to say. I would also like to see the in-laws go on the show to present their concerns. I think it would help everyone, including the children when they would be old enough to see it. So many times things like this go on with women and men we know and I think it is important to understand any signs to watch for so as to prevent what happened with their family from happening to anyone else. If, however, Mary is really guilty and just wanted a way out (which is a possibility) I believe the children belong with the grandparents and that Mary should relinquish her parental rights. It would be nice too if she would admit if she was truly an abused woman, or not. They can't try her twice.
Where do you think laws come from?
Most of man's laws are based on the Bible, the 10 Commandments usually.

I am not comparing gay people to criminals. Based on your statement that God expects us to be happy, regardless of what form that happiness might take, I am asking the question that, if it is okay with God for a person to be gay if it makes them happy, is it okay with him for a person to steal, commit adultery or murder if it makes them happy.

You changed the context of the subject, not me. And for what it is worth, there are still states in which sodomy is a crime, therefore gay sex is a crime. There is even a state where adultery and fornication are a crime. http://www.sodomy.org/laws/

I get this too...especially my in-laws...
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In-laws
I guess I lucked out with in-laws. When we married, I referred to his parents as "mom" and "dad" from that point on. When my SIL had kids, we *both* became aunts and uncles to them and DH is uncle to my sister's 2 kids. I don't think you're being sensitive and good for you for teaching your kids differently!
Look down on smoking...you said it!
I feel like such a loser sometimes, when I am with others and I'm the only one who has to go find a place where I can have a cigarette. You cannot even smoke outside anymore at certain places, hospital grounds etc., unless you go to the dreaded designated *loser* smoking spot which is usually 1/2 mile away and very obvious (one had a smoking gazebo) :) Happy for you. I'm going to try Chantix too.
smoking
Stick with it!! Believe me you will feel better in the long run! I quit about 8 yrs ago now.
smoking
Did you ask your doc for the new pill that just came out. I can remember exactly what it is called but I have a girlfriend on them and it is working great. Give it a shot!!
Smoking sm

I can only tell you a true story. My younger sister smoked (I never did) and she would try to stop but each time a stressful situation would occur, she would pick up again. At a young age, she was diagnosed with Stage IV lung cancer, never even had a cough and she looked great! She lived exactly 17 months, the charts said 18. By the 2nd month of DX the young docs told her, "nursing home or Hospice, you can't lay around here." This was when she had a high fever and reaction to chemo. She lost her hair, gained about 30 pounds, etc.from chemo reaction. She died penniless and heartbroken. She was only a year retired early from a great job and had the rest of her life to look forward to, yet cigarettes robbed her of her family, her dignity, her retirement fund, and now she's in the cold, cold ground, all because she "needed" a cigarette. She wanted to retire early and enjoy her 401K retirement plan and her kids. Her daughter just had a beautiful baby and no mother to share the news. Her grandchildren have no grandmother and I have no sister anymore. She just had to have that cigarettte and would listen to no one. Her oncologist told her, "Go ahead and smoke, what difference does it make now?" Is this what you want for yourself? It's the bare naked truth, please, I would rather you cut off your fingers than smoke, at least you would still be alive. Cigarettes STINK and they KILL. Don't let it happen one more day.


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So that's a yes on the smoking, then.

Of course it has everything to do with it.


smoking
That's a difficult situation. Legally you can do nothing against her, that's bad. I hope the smoke detectors are well maintained? You can try to talk some sense into her, but I doubt it will help.
The only solution would be that you move into a building where the owner forbids smoking. There are some sensible landlords out there who want to keep their houses smokefree.
But, as you said, that's difficult for you.
Try to convince her to stop smoking or cut down by telling her how bad it is for her health.
There should be 'houses for smokers', stinkers, and 'houses for nonsmokers', nonstinkers.
I have the same problem. I am a nonsmoker and live on the 1st floor, under and on above me both are smokers and I tell you, it stinks!
My in-laws have a dog who has seizures...
This dog seems to being having grand mal seizures because it urinates on itself and they last a least a minute. The dog has had this several times but they haven't taken him to the vet because of the cost involved. My mother-in-law gives him an aspirin and puts "cold packs" on him when he is seizing. I'm not sure why but she is a little strange. I would take the dog to a vet. They can probably do test to see if she is indeed having seizures. Good luck!
This goes along with sweet in-laws...

My son was born in September 1994.  We found out 8 weeks later he had pyloric stenosis after changing formula, etc.  I worked in Radiology as an MT at the time and had the GI study done there.  The radiologist was so nice, but informed me that our son was severely dehydrated and would need urgent surgery.


The surgery took place the night before Thanksgiving.  My in-laws brought my husband and I a plate of their meal with utensils and all.  Thankfully, our son (first born) came through with flying colors and is in perfect health now.


My parents were supportive on the phone, but my Dad had just been diagnosed with cancer and was too weak to make it in to see us. 


So, I guess it was the worst and the best Thanksgiving ever and one that I will surely never forget for a very long time.   Leaf 






I have the same problems with my in-laws
Last year we got them a gift certificate to the local grocery store that they always go so and we decided to do the same again this year. Everyone has to eat. They live in a small condo and have all the money in the world to buy what they want and they're at an age where they don't need anything.
just so you know, many states have laws
against any corporeal punishment now, especially for "kinship" care (relatives raising kin children). For example, in many states I cannot even give push ups or running laps as punishment, forget about spanking! And throwing cold water on a child would get the child taken away from me. There are laws you can't withhold food as punishment or send a child to be early. There are over 5 million children being raised by relatives and just under 600,000 in state foster care. Things ARE much different now.
I understand some of these laws but
not being able to send a child to be early. Who gets to decide what is "early"?
What about lesh laws?

If you have a pet running around in this town you will be fined up to $500 whether the dog did anything while running about or not. 


I do hope the little girl gets past her fear of dogs someday.  I have a 6-year-old that has that same fear but she has never gotten bit so  I don't know why she has that fear.  She has turned now many playdates because of those tiny, barking house dogs.  One friend in particular wanted dd to come over and play so bad but dd refused because of the dog and I explained that to the mother.  I suggested that the litlte girl is welcome to come play here, after consulting with dd first and she agreed.  ( I wanted to make sure it really was the dog not the other girl).  So they come over, with their little barking, jumping dog and turned it loose in our house and dd started screaming and crying and very rudely ran them both off.  I felt bad because dd bluntly told them to leave but I did not get on to her too much about it because it did not make sense to me.  I had just explained that dd was very scared of the dog so why did they bring it to my house and turn it loose in my living room.   The dog was not mean, just very very hyper. 


MIL shares that same fear and does not know why.  She quit visiting a friend because their hyper little dog kept jumping on her and the owners would not do anything to control it.  I guess dd and MIL are 2 peas in a pod when it comes ot that. 


Must be nice to know you have in-laws ...sm
who would help. My parents couldn't help. My father in law couldn't either BUT mother in law could but wouldn't I know because she is so tight. She would just say oh well loose all your sh**. She wouldn't come off her money.
we just had to ask our in-laws for $500 loan
they're like a bank to us ;)
we just had to ask our in-laws for $500 loan
they're like a bank to us ;)
we just had to ask our in-laws for $500 loan
they're like a bank to us ;)
The laws where I live
forbid a teacher from having a sexual relationship with a student period...and I think that's how I prefer it.

I didn't even think about laws differing in other states. :/
My in-laws are overkill -sm
my DH cannot stand his parents though we do not deny them their grandchildren, though we have never left them alone with them. They were very neglectful to him when he was growing up, verbally abusive, etc. His mom would badger me when we were first married about having grandchildren. She assumed (wrongly) that we would give us any children we had to them on the weekends as all their friends had/did. Our kids have been nothing but trophies to them. My MIL used to really hate the fact that I had a family, once my mom died a few years ago she did a complete turnaround and no longer hassles me when I go to see my family. She is the reining grandma now and so no one to be jealous of. This does not endear her to me obviously. Their other son, the golden child (and oh favored one who spent 20+ years going to school, getting money from M&D, and mooching off friends for those 20+ years--would stay in their homes until kicked out), he finally bought a home at age 40 (with $40K from M&D), has never married or had kids, my DH says it is because of their childhood, though he was the favored one so who knows. Anyways we moved 2 hours away (were about 10 miles from them) just so we would not have to see them every day once we had kids. Even then they came every 2 weeks and in the beginning badgered us to give them the kids for extended periods of time (I am talking 6/7 days of the week, every week). I don't think we have ever invited them here, they just call up and say we are coming. I then tell them yeh or ney basically. They come for every holiday that they can and birthday, though this year my one did not want them to come on her birthday, so I put them off a week. She wants it to be just us 4 for a change and to all go out to dinner....she will be 9 next week. I found that interesting but I told her it was her decision, and that they wanted to come, etc. Usually she is very accommodating and is always thinking of others so I am not going to make her have her grandparents come for her special dinner out if she does not want them to (she just saw them last weekend). So they will come on the 15th instead which is fine with me. So I do try to be accommodating to them, I am the one who calls them, I visit with them for an hour or two on my rare trips to see my family (2-3x a year) or stay the night so they can have more time, depends on my work schedule, I see my in-laws about once a month now (call weekly), and my family once during the summer, maybe Spring break and around Christmas. Obviously this won't last forever, they are 74 and 79 now but longevity is in the dad's family (late 80's to 90s). Both are in relatively good health, mom is a type 2 diabetic, dad has had bladder cancer twice, but otherwise doing very well. My DH insists on taking in the survivor when one dies. He has a very strong guilt complex, they did their job well on him. Obviously I don't want that, but not going to worry about that right now. Many sides to this coin/subject.
Smoking outside stores
I don't like people smoking outside stores either. They stand right by the door so you have to hold your breath and go through the smoke cloud. Unlike the other things mentioned, that does invade my personal space with secondhand smoke exposure.
No smoking pills?
Has anyone taken the drug Chantix for smoking? My son has been taking this and he and his wife haven't slept in a week. She says he is not acting like himself...I don't smoke so I don't have a clue what its like.

15 yo smoking question
I found a pack of cigarettes in my 15-yo son's back pack.  He said he was holding them for a neighbor.  I kind of believe him but regardless he is under 18 and should not be in possession of them.  What kind of consequences do you think are appropriate?
Trying to stop smoking
I haven't smoked today! I am trying to quit. Have tried several times before, but this time I have to do it!
There's a little difference with smoking, though.
Your second-hand smoke is harmful to others and the environment.

Alcohol kills more people than just those who ingest it.

Obesity only kills the person suffering from it.

Rude to comment on it? Maybe. Then again, everyone who has to put up with the butts on the ground, the second-hand smoke, the nicotine stains and the stench of it clinging to you as you walk into the building -- well, I guess they do have a right to comment.
Today is my second day not smoking
You may want to give it another try.  It make cigarettes taste terrible.  I think that it only takes 3 days for the physical withdrawal to be over and then it is the emotional part and the habit you need to kick.  I decided to quit because I saw the show Intervention and this kid got hooked on heroine after his mother died of cancer and that really hit me and I realized that my life is not only mine, but that of my family's as well.  It was funny because yesterday it seemed that whenever I had the urge for a smoke, I would get a note of someone who had lung cancer.  Good luck to you. I defintely feel your pain.  People who have never smoked just don't get it.  Give it another try with Chantix.  I have to say that the only problem with it is that I can't sleep at night, but I took a Xanax last night and slept better, not well, but better.  It will be worth it in the end when I am a nonsmoker and don't have the threat of lung cancer looming over me.  Good luck.
While I don't proport smoking, I'm not sure

asking this information on an insurance form should be allowed.  We already deny many Americans affordable health coverage because of obesity and other medical problems.  What's next?  Asking how many foods we microwave or how long we talk on a cell phone (supposedly these cause cancer, too)? We already ask the obvious questions - smoking, drinking, exercise.  They have you weigh in and ask every question imaginable about your family medical history.


How are we supposed to obtain coverage if we're not in perfect health, and let's face it, how many Americans are in perfect health?  I was watching Celebrity Fit Club on TV and I looked at some of the people on there and thought what's wrong with them, only to find out their body fat percentage was 2 points over norm.  Come on America -- this is just another way to keep us from having healthcare coverage.  No, I'm not a smoker, just a concerned American wondering about the future of my health insurance. 


Smoking at school
My high school had an area called the "smoke hole" where, if you had a "smoking permit", you could go during lunch or breaks and smoke! I think about that now and it just amazes me that kids were allowed to smoke at school.  We called the people that went there the "smokeholians"...too weird now!
quitting smoking
You are correct to be afraid. Quitting smoking is excruciatingly painful. You have to re-train your brain to do every single daily activity without smoking. And the cravings never go away.

Skullcap, Gingseng, and Valerian are extremely useful, so you don't have to suffer if you don't want to.

The sore throat alone from the first week of quitting will scare you to death.

You will need to eat and exercise to get the energy you get from cigarettes, and it will take awhile to learn how to take better care of yourself.

Why is it worth it? You aren't a slave anymore, you can go anywhere, colors you see are more intense, all foods taste different, smells are different and more intense, (and sex is more intense also).

You can quit anything if you can stand the pain. Don't be a wimp, you are worth it.
Quitting Smoking Again
I was wondering if any of you have any tips for quitting smoking without gaining weight. That is my biggest fear as I am already overweight. Thanks in advance!
quitting smoking
I gained 10 pounds I never lost, but not more than that. I used to skip meals when I smoked so I think that is self-explanatory.

Apples and fruit for snacks and quick energy.

I bought an espresso machine, but the mocha grandes I was drinking made my eyes vibrate....not kidding.

Siberian Gingseng to remove fogged brain, depression, and fatigue.

Skullcap for mild irritation.

Skullcap combined with Valerian for psychotic irritation.

Gas-X to combate the effects of constant gum chewing.

Long walks, deep breathing and YOGA. Yoga is amazing....

Smoking either boosts you up or calms you down. Figure out which it is and you can substitute for that need without eating.
Assume the smoking outside will not last. sm
I've lived with smokers. They all say they'll only do it outside. They ALL eventually revert to doing it inside. Especially when you are the only non-smoker. Consider how this will affect you. They may be awesome, but they're awesome smokers.
I took it to quit smoking...
and can't say that I noticed any effects whatsoever, except that it did help me quit smoking.
congrats on the no smoking!!!!
I am not that broke, but next paycheck I need $800 for the car payment and window and door loan. Also need about 200 for food for the following 2 weeks until the next payday... so bout a grand, but the check will only be 700.  HMMM, Live without food and will still owe 100 to someone.  Thank God I do not have to put gas in the car.
That is a little overboard. Smoking is not
illegal. I would think CPS would tell her to stop wasting their time.
DS smoking pot last night.

Last night, he and his friend smoked in his room and blew the smoke out the window, trying to be sneaky, not realizing that it would waft up and come in the upper deck screen door! We calmly confronted them, they admitted it, DS handed over his paraphanalia, a homemade bong out of a soda can, the rest of his stash (just a couple buds), and we called the other kids parents, who promptly came over and we had a group discussion around the kitchen table, after which the other kid and his parents went home .


DS is grounded from his phone, computer, house phone, all friends and activities until further notice. When he does have an activity, he will be highly monitored and supervised. His freedoms are greatly curtailed. He also will be doing more work on the retaining wall we are building in the back yard. We're not sure yet what else will be a consequence, but I have a friend who is a rehab nurse in a chem dependancy unit, so we may chat with her.


Besides making bad choices and stupid decisions, what REALLY makes me angry is that he was using his SIXTY DOLLAR trumpet mouthpieces for bowls. What a bonehead.


I am in the same boat. I have no desire to go to my in laws for sm
Christmas Eve and my husband is making us all go. It's the biggest fight every year. I am dreading it so much. I wish he would listen to me, but he won't. I don't see a long future for me and my husband. It's always his way or NO way. I should just say I am not going and not go, but IF I do that then Christmas morning will be miserable. He will take it out on me and the kids. I think he's just like them!
He pouted all day Thanksgiving because I refused to go to his mother's house where his siblings (the culprits) would be. The thing is this: They've never liked me. Never. It's been almost 10 years and everything is my fault. For a long time it scarred me, but then I realized that it wasn't me, it's them. And then to have my husband force me to be around this hateful, evil people is beyond understanding. I am NOT looking forward to Christmas eve. I swear, I just want to stay here (I've already celebrated with great friends and my family) and just want to enjoy Christmas eve and Christmas with people (my kids) whom I adore. But, it won't be that way when you have people in your lives (unfortunately) who are exactly the way you just described.

Ugggh. Not looking forward to this weekend. And to top it off, my birthday is Saturday. I told him that I wanted to NOT go to his mom's house for my birthday. That made him mad.
Oh, and don't tell me to put a smile on my face and be nice or put up with it. Until you walk a mile in my shoes where you have 3 sisters and 1 brother who think I am the antichrist, the last thing you can do is smile at these people....And I am a very kind and nice person. these people bring out the worst in me.
TY. We celebrated with the in-laws today,
after making the 2-hour drive, and for once the WHOLE family was there, although we did have to wait for evening for 2. My MIL was sick with a cold, and by the end of the night my FIL was worn out, but with their 2 young great grandsons there being cute and everybody pitching in, things went rather well. It was hard to leave, but I must work tomorrow (new job and all), and driving back to the sad situation with the dog was rough. But then we had a message from the vet school saying my dog LOVES phenobarbital and seems in good spirits (typical of her adventerous breed). So I am hopeful I will be able to see her myself, despite the low staff at the holiday, and decide whether to proceed with MRI or let her go peacefully.
Just FYI on in-laws dog taking aspirin
My mother-in-law has been giving the dog one aspirin every day for about a year now. It is a bigger size dog, probably about 45 to 50 pounds. The dog definitely has something wrong with its brain because of the way it acts. I worry he will turn on them one day. Anyway, apparently aspirin doesn't kill dogs, at least this one anyway.
I have new in-laws (through marriage) who are from Pahrump, NV. Anyone have sm
any info on this place? It looks gorgeous. Good place to visit???
In keeping with the question down below about in-laws...

We have all done our best to accept my brother's wife, but she grates on everybody's nerves. Now, that we can handle, but a few years back my mom bought a new (second-hand) car and gave her old car to my brother. She even gave them $500 to buy new tires for the car.


Then, when my mom's "new" car turned out to be a lemon and had to be in the shop for a week, my SIL refused to let my mom use HER OWN CAR that she had given them while her "new" car was in the shop - even though my SIL was NOT working and my brother had a car to go back and forth to work.


Yes, I know my brother needs to grow a backbone already, but that kind of set the tone for my SIL's relationship with the whole family.


So - what's your in-law story?


 


At my in-laws' house one Thanksgiving, sm
my brother in law's dog took a crap right in the middle of the living room. My mother-in-law (rest her soul) walked into the kitchen, grabbed a handful of papertowels, wiped up the poop, threw the papertowels out, washed her hands, and sat back down at the table. She was like it was no big deal! We were all laughing like crazy AFTER she sat back down and we saw she was not fazed by it at all. It was too funny.
Any ideas on what to get in-laws for Christmas whom already have everything - sm
and they don't want us spending a lot of money on them either.  Thanks for any ideas any of you may have.  I am at a loss right now.  Thanks again. 
Check state laws . . .
In my state your divorce is not finalized until you have been living apart for six months. You file the papers, and have to live separately for six months for it to even be final or legal.
No the in-laws are not an option the only reason - sm
we "borrowed" from them was they did not want us taking a loan and paying interest...so they gave/loaned us $14K interest free, I have it down to $10K so far. That is the extent of their involvment. DH would rather die than have his parents know about this I know that. They do have the money to help but that would put us under their thumb the rest of their lives and I don't think either one of us could deal with that. We do have some assets we can sell that would pay off at least half of the debt, though I don't see him being too thrilled about doing that, it is a good solution to part of the problem. I am considering talking to my brother or my dad, but again he will have a cow when he finds out about that (he will lose face in his mind). He always worries about what others think about him, etc, it gets real wearing at times.
Each state has their own laws regarding transportation s/m

In Michigan, the school HAS to provide transportation for the kids.  Someone on here posted they had to have a bus pass that cost $150, that is insane.  I'm sure I pay for it on my property taxes, but I hate to think of the person that couldn't afford that. 


Our school district buses the middle/high school kids together, which has worked out fine.  Middle school starts at the 6th grade.  I take my kids to school every day because the bus for them is here at 7:15 a.m.  We have a very strange setup for our elementary schools.  We have two elementaries that have K-2 grade and then one elementary for 3-5 (we used to have two, but they combined them last year).  Being that I have a 2nd and 3rd grader, they both get picked up at the same time (if they were to ride the bus) at 7:15.  3rd grader gets dropped off at 8:25 at his school and my 2nd grader gets dropped off at his at 8:50.  So, 7:15 - 8:50?  That is insane!  We live about 7 minutes from both schools.  They do ride the bus home as they are the first ones off. 


But as to combining buses with middle/high school with elementary?  To me is unacceptable.  The bus drivers have a hard enough time controlling the kids.  Even with the way that ours is broken out, the youngest grades sit towards the front, with oldest to the back. 


And during budget crunch time and the super bought $10k in office furniture?  He should be called out on that during a board meeting.  I'd also contact the local newspapers so that the word gets around.  All school districts are hurting and every little bit helps.  If he wants new furniture, it should come out of his salary. 


Depends on the laws in your state...
... at least as far as I know, but in California, it's EASIER to get unemployment if you are terminated, rather than voluntarily leaving a job, because if you voluntarily leave, they want to know why, and you had better have some VERY good reasons, such as a well-documented case for a hostile work environment and all that.

In the meantime, you need to IMMEDIATELY document anything you've been told, such as the fact that you've been given a warning; if it was verbal, write down every single detail of it you can remember, and the date and time and by whom it was given. If it was written, take it (or a copy) home.

Other than that... is there any way you could sit down with somebody and ask for suggestions on how to improve your performance on the problem dictators? Are there sample transcriptions available to refer to? Are there other MTs who have less trouble than you on those dictators, whom you could ask for help with their phrasing and pronunciation peculiarities?

Do let us know what happens.... What a sorry state of affairs.