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Speaking of Gardasil, I have a

Posted By: question too (sm) on 2007-11-09
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Just curious if anyone here knows why they are not marketing this to males.  I have two sons, and I'm not sure whether or not I would/do want them to have this, but I remember reading several months back about Australia providing Gardasil for males also, and my sister made an excellent point about males being more likely to have multiple partners or to not want to use condoms so more likely to spread the virus, even though they cannot get cervical cancer (not saying females don't engage in risky behavior, it just seems to me that oftentimes girls are pressured into sex and all too often they do it because they think there is something special about the relationship, when really it is all about scoring for the guy, but that is just my opinion and I do know there are good guys out there, and my sons are being raised to be a part of that group), so it makes sense to me that males should also be protected from contracting the virus to begin with, and that vaccination of males quite possibly could offer a greater measure of protection overall than vaccinating females.  Just wondering what you guys think.


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Gardasil
I so agree with you. This is too new and the FDA approves things only to find out later they have horrible side effects. I have two daughters and they will not be getting this injection.
Gardasil
Agreed! I am sick of others telling me what to put in my kids. If it comes to that I will be home schooling.
Gardasil
That is my greatest fear as well.
Gardasil
You're wrong about that. I have United Healthcare and they paid the entire cost for my daughter who is 17. I feel that in no way does this condone premarital sex. My daughter is absolutely aware that this does not prevent pregnancy, HIV or other STDs. We have had lots of discussions about sex and that it should be saved for marriage in a loving relationship. However, I'm not so naive as to think that she may possibly not wait. I feel it is my responsibility to keep her healthy in any way I can. Also what about rape? Sometimes our "morals" aren't someone elses. By the way, the recommended age is 9-26. Either wait until your daughter is old enough to understand the implications or as a previous poster mentioned, just treat it like another immunization if you're not ready to get into that discussion. I don't know that I agree with making this mandatory, but if so, maybe that would also make it more affordable. I also had qualms about future implications of this, but sometimes you just have to take a chance and hopes the benefits outweigh the risks.
Gardasil
But this is a vaccination against cancer, not a treatment.
Gardasil
Your are 100% correct! I wish people would speak up.
Gardasil....
Have you researched this? I have been researching it and I will not let it be given to my daughter. As far as a pap, I don't know. Depending on the age, it probably wouldn't hurt.
Gardasil...
Well, when it first came out I was a little skeptical as Texas made it mandatory for girls of certain ages and it didn't see the testing on it was very long. There was a big discussion on here a while back about it. I'm sure you can search the archives. Anyway, one of the things I found was that cervical cancer can be detected with regular pap smears and then treated with a high success rate. Also, I found that there had been at least 8 deaths and some of the side effects are very severe, including paralysis, Guillain-Barre, and seizures. I understand why they have it but there are just too many reports coming out of girls that have had severe reactions or died from it. There actually could be more deaths as I haven't checked up on it in a few months. I tend to be a little paranoid than other mothers, but I lost a daughter to leukemia shortly before her 3rd birthday and I only have 1 daughter left. I don't have a problem with people taking their daughters to the doctor and getting it as long as they are fully informed of its side effects and have researched it. I just prefer not to let my daughter have it. I will stick with the yearly paps when she gets old enough. Where I do think it would be helpful is if you have a family history of cervical cancer, which I do not, but I would still be very cautious and ask as many questions as you can to make sure you are comfortable with your daughter having it.
Gardasil...
I read that somewhere about Australia providing it for males. I'm sure it will hit here eventually. Maybe they're currently testing it on males. Also, I think it was the UK that has another vaccine out that is supposed to target 2 of the strains of HPV but does not have all of the benefits of Gardasil. Anyway, maybe someone else knows more about the males getting it. I would just Google it and see. I researched a while back and very, very little today, but was more focused on just finding certain information, not on whether it is available for males yet or in a testing phase for them.
Gardasil
OMG, that never even occurred to me. I'm over 50 and no cervix but thought about getting it anyway just in case because I wouldn't want to pass it on if I was exposed. No condom lectures please.
CDC & Gardasil.....sm

I was reading the posts below about the vaccine as I had been considering it for my daughter.  I looked it up on the CDC website.  They deemed it safe and effective.   And I do agree with one of the posters, it should be the parent/daughter's choice.  Not the state's.  It's not 'mandatory' here in Michigan yet but I'm seriously considering it for my daughter. 


Here's some info from the site.  I did leave out a few small paragraphs so this post wouldn't be excessively long but if you'd like to go to the site here's the address:


http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaers/gardasil.htm


Reports of Health Concerns Following HPV Vaccination


HPV Vaccine Safety


The safety of the HPV vaccine was studied in 7 clinical trials before it was licensed. There were over 21,000 girls and women ages 9 through 26 in these clinical trials.


As of August 31, 2008, there have been 10,326 VAERS reports of adverse events following Gardasil vaccination in the United States. Of these reports, 94% were reports of events considered to be non-serious, and 6% were reports of events considered to be serious.


Based on all of the information we have today, CDC and FDA have determined that Gardasil is safe to use and effective in preventing 4 types of HPV. As with all approved vaccines, CDC and FDA will continue to closely monitor the safety of Gardasil. Any problems detected with this vaccine will be reported to health officials, healthcare providers, and the public, and needed action will be taken to ensure the public's health and safety.


Non-serious adverse event reports


The vast majority (94%) of the adverse events reports following Gardasil have been non-serious. Reports of non-serious adverse events after Gardasil vaccination have included fainting, pain and swelling at the injection site (the arm), headache, nausea and fever. Fainting is common after injections and vaccinations, especially in adolescents. Falls after fainting may sometimes cause serious injuries, such as head injuries, which can be easily prevented by keeping the vaccinated person seated for up to 15 minutes after vaccination.


Serious adverse event reports


All serious reports (6%) for Gardasil have been carefully analyzed by medical experts. Experts have not found a common medical pattern to the reports of serious adverse events reported for Gardasil that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine. The following is a summary of the serious adverse event reports that were submitted to VAERS between June 8, 2006 and August 31, 2008.


 

 


On boys and Gardasil

I have thought the same thing before, about it being only for females, and found that in Australia it is also available for males.  IMHO, promiscuity is certainly not exclusive to males, but I believe it is more common (at least it used to be), so seems like they are the ones that are more culpable for the spreading of HPV.  It's the whole playboy generation gone wild.


Also, just heard a few days ago about HPV being a cause of oral cancer.  Wondered how long it would take them to make the link.


I live in Georgia and had not heard that it is mandatory for females here, but read that most states that are considering mandatory inoculation and have introduced a bill also have an "opt out" clause.


If I had a daughter or daughters, I do not think that I would be rushing out to have them inoculated.


Question about Gardasil-Do girls need a Pap and
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It's named Gardasil. Unless it is government or state funded.....(sm)

I can not see too many parents jumping at this opportunity.  It is a noncovered service by all insurances.  It is given in a series of 3 separate injections.  The current recommendation is to be given to young girls between the ages of 10 to 12.  So if a parent decides to vaccinate her little girl against this, I guess the "bird and the bees talk" will have to be undertaken before the little girl asks "Why I am going to the doctor to get a shot, and what is it for?  (given the very natural inquistive nature of children on all subjects.) 


No smoking in public places, must wear seat belt in car, must wear bicycle helmet, and some states helmet required when riding motorcycles, restaurants not using transfats in their cooking,.....WHEN WILL ALL THESE NON-SELF INFLICTED RESTRICTIONS STOP????????...IS THIS STILL AMERICA??


Speaking of that

One time about 5 years ago, I was driving on the interstate, my SO now DH riding with me.  Was just passing the rear of a trucker, cars behind me so there were witnesses to this and I couldn't just slam on my brakes, put on his signal and tried to pull out anyway.  Since I was already passing him, kept going, and he ran me off the road to the center.  Pulled back on and continued to pass him, had his window open and flipped me off.  I didn't see it because I was trying to control the car, but the funny part was my DH (SO) rolling down the window and hanging out giving him a double one back all the way until I got in front of the truck.  I said WHAT is going on!!  He told me the bas%$@d flipped you off.  Come on, they're high enough up to see there's a car right in front of them they want to pass.  I told SO I'm slowing down and get that guy's plate number so I can report him.  He slowed WAY down and stayed so far back that I finally gave up... Guess he wasn't in such a hurry after all.  We still laugh about my husband's ~chivalry~ that day, him hanging out there giving him the double what for!  Wish I had a pic of that for posterity


Not dissing truckers here, my own brother was one for quite a while and have had a couple who stopped to help me and went out of their way when I had a flat tire on the interstate one time in rush-hour traffic on Friday afternoon.  My brother said that was really nice of them because it's money out of their pocket, but he did always say to report truckers who are playing games because it's so dangerous.


Speaking for myself.....
it is quite the opposite. Any thread not adhering to the politically correct policies of this country is in danger of being deleted. Christians are not politically correct and never will be on this earth.
Speaking of AI
Is anyone here going to see them on Tour?  Tickets go on presale tomorrow and I can't wait to get tickets.  My friend and I take our daughters and go every year.  We make a day out of it.  We become groupies for the day.  We've had great luck meeting most of the idols since season 5 and I'm looking forward to meeting Adam and Danny this year. 
well, speaking from experience (OP)
I never "sat on the bench with my breasts out" after breastfeeding my son.  Most women *put them up* after the job is done.  Come on now, be realistic about this issue...
Speaking of condoms...

DS (15 yrs old) came home from school yesterday and I asked him what was new. He said the usual - "Not much."


Then.... "Oh, yeah, we learned how to put on a condom in sex class."



I about fell over!!!! Apparently, the teacher had a ... uh... plastic "subject" and she asked for a volunteer to come up and apply the condom to the ... uh... model. And it's called "Health class," but he refers to it as "sex class."


Whatever happened to food fights in school????


No, seriously, I'm glad they learn this stuff. You know what they say, "The More You Know...!"


His speaking out against it would scares me too. (nm)
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sorry, His speaking out against it would scare me too.
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not OP but statistically speaking there are far more

There are online websites documenting how many men versus women in each city of this country and the number of women today far outweigh the number of men......


jes sayin'............. 


speakers not speaking!
help!  i may need to test for a new job this weekend.  Cannot understand why speakers aren't working.  They are plugged into wall and correct port and turned on.  Mute is not on.  Checked in control panel and volume is up.  I tried 2 different sets of barely used speakers. What else can i check?  thanks. 
And speaking of kids...

One time quite awhile ago I was pushing my youngest through the mall in his stroller.  There were two boys goofing around in the middl of the mall with the parents right nearby.  I had to stop suddenly because one of the darlings wasn't watching where he was going and fell over the stroller.  I said, "Excuse me!" with just a bit of sarcasm and the father had the nerve to yell at ME because I was rude.  I then informed him that his kid was the rude one and kept walking.  That one still makes me shake my head.


You sound as though you are speaking from
Would you honestly want to be stalked by a man you thought you got rid of 19 years prior??? If the answer is yes, then I will gladly introduce you two.
I am not sure why they are no longer speaking
but in due to the fact that she has no contact wtih him, I don't think he should have stayed in the house once he found out she was there. She was visibly upset when she realized he was there and began crying. My phone then rang so I missed what she said to her other housemates. It just seems like this is not the place for this to be handled.
Speaking of spiders sm
We have a friend that just can't kill any living thing (I have no problem stepping on a spider, so sue me)anyway, she found a spider as she was getting in the shower, with a towel wrapped around her she went to set it free outside her back porch. Her hubby grabbed the towel, pushed her out, and locked the door. They were not in an overly populated neighborhood, but neighbors on each side could see. She says next time, she will just step on the spider.
Speaking of Salad...

what kind of lettuce/other green leafy stuff do you like when you order/make a salad?


A couple of times I've gone in restaurants and they have brought me a salad that looked like they went out back and pulled weeds. Now, I love veggies, but that's some scary stuff. I'm simple..I just want iceberg lettuce!...then I can add other goodies that I can identify.


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and speaking of slang......
the word bling just kills my ears I hear people my age (50s) and older saying it and that makes me cringe, especially if they say bling, bling.... guess next time I'll just say "Oh, snap"
speaking of dachsunds...sm
My friend has a dachsund about 7 months old and she is just impossible almost to house train. She said it doesn't matter how much she takes her out or how much she swats her with a paper for going in the house she just keeps on. Does anyone have exp with housebreaking them?
Speaking of girdles.....
I just saw Dr. Rey's undergarments advertised on HSN this week.  They are supposed to be great and also very comfortable.  You might want to check those out.
I am speaking with very little knowledge here..

I have only met one (1) pit bull in my life.  It was very pleasant, wanted to be petted, and never hostile.  What I did notice is how muscular it was and I remember thinking that I wouldn't want that dog to snap at me.  All dog breeds are capable of being aggressive (especially if there is a dominance issue), but some breeds are more muscular and less *intidimated* by humans than other breeds.   It seems to me (dog experts, please correct me) it would be easier to pull a Yorkie or a Cocker Spaniel off an attacked person than a pit bull.  I don't know how that applies to bigger breeds like labs or retrievers. 


However, my humble opinion does not make up for the fact that you could face the loss of a loved family pet.  I hope it works out for you.


 


Speaking of pictures.....
My husband never knew his maternal GF, but was named after him. His maternal GF died long before he was born. Well, by the time my husband was in his 20s, he was the spitting image of his GF, right down to the mustache. My children used to look at the picture of their great GF and think it was daddy. They could have been twins. So, to have his mom name him after her father and then he turn out to be his spitting image, that is unbelievable! She had four other sons and none of them look like their GF.
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Speaking of shopping........

Anyone remember how the old stores were when there were 'Main Streets'? Remember the wood floors and the merchandise in wooden bins on tables? Remember the cookies and candy they sold that was all encased in glass? No escalators, and only the best stores had elevators? Elevators with a man asking 'what floor'?, elevators that creaked and had criss cross bars across the front, instead of doors that closed? Evening in Paris perfume for our mom's at Christmas, Old Spice or hankies with his initial on them for dad? Remember when all you could use was cash? And of course, those wonderful lunch counters? I remember one of them sold sardine sandwiches! Anyone remember?


Speaking from experience!
I was always attracted to younger guys, too. I met a guy who was 15 years younger than I am. Never been married, had no kids, minimal baggage, etc.

It started as totally physical on both of our parts, as I was always a 'use 'em and lose 'em' cougar.

Fast forward...We've been living together for 1-1/2 years and are getting ready to make this legal next week.

It's NOT age that matters. It's life experience that makes the connection and erases the chronological gap. My BF has lived as much and been through similar things in his life as I have been in mine. We have everything in common, from life experience to music to movies to our quirkly senses of humor. In areas where I'm weak, he's strong; in areas where he's weak, I'm strong. We're the perfect complement for one another.

Initially people think we're an unusual couple, but once they spend any time at all around us, they realize we're so much alike that we can almost read one another's minds and are perfect together.

Don't let that age difference influence you...Go with your heart. I never thought I'd change my ways and settle down, but ANYTHING is possible.

Good luck to both of you!!!
speaking from experience . . .
A similar thing happened a couple of years ago when my daughter was in 6th grade. A girl a couple of years younger told her she was going to kill her. This girl has some problems, but after thinking about it and talking with my husband, we decided to go to the principal. Now most kids say this not meaning it, but they need to LEARN IT IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY. It is WRONG, it is AGAINST THE LAW and they can be arrested for making terrosit threats like that to another person. it's this warped sense of what's right and what's wrong that leads these kids to major difficulties later in life. The principal tried to blow me off, but I told her one more time and I go directly to the cops. My daughter had nightmares and slept with me a couple of nights until I went to the principal and talked to her and told her what I would do if this ever happened again. This little girl never said anything like this again and is very aware of who I am and how she acts around me. CHILDREN NEED TO KNOW THEY ARE BEING WATCHED AND WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG. IT'S OUR JOB AS PARENTS. Haven't we all typed the ER reports where they hold a person for 24 hours after making threats??? I don't care how hold the child, this is a great lesson for her to learn.
Speaking of the dinner...

My son and his best friend, along with their dates went to a quite expensive restaurant before their senior prom in downtown Atlanta. Between the 2 boys, they probably had just enough for dinner, no dessert.


After their meal, the waiter brought out 2 big plates of dessert. Well, the boys kinda panicked...not knowing if the girls had ordered the desserts behind their backs or not, and knowing that they couldn't afford to pay for them.


Long story short, the waiter told the kids that someone in the restaurant had sent over the dessert and picked up their check! My son was so excited, he called me from the restaurant...thinking his dad and I had done this wonderfully generous act. It was tempting to take the credit, but we didn't.


They have no idea who it was but it made their night! I know, not related, but just a nice prom story!


speaking of scumbags
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speaking of ignorance...sm
This young man, in some countries, would be considered a *man* by now and more than likely raising babies. Most *courts* in this country allow a *child* to choose which parent he/she wants to live with when the parents divorce. If the *child* is old enough to choose who he/she wants to live with, he/she should be old enough to decide if he/she does not want a *treatment* that is going to cause him/her much anguish and pain and suffering. A 13-year old is not a *child*, but a young adult and has had enough life experience to know what he/she wants out of life. If you understand this correctly, the mother is not refusing *treatment*, but rather refusing chemotherapy! There is a difference. The Bible states that for every disease and illness on the face of the earth, there is a cure and treatment. I do not believe it is referring to the thought that by throwing a bunch of harmful *chemicals* into the body that some pharmaceutical research person dreamt up with thoughts of $$ in his head, as a *cure*. Nature has already provided us with whatever we need to treat ourselves and our diseases. This is what this mother is searching for. How would you like to have someone tell you that you had to have a treatment that you don't want? Would you want someone to force you to be throwing up every half hour and lose your hair??? I highly doubt it.
Speaking of working or not......

My MIL is OBSESSED with whether or not we have any money and what we do with our money.  It IRRITATES me to no end!  I mean we HAVE our own money, we don't ask her for money, so get out of our bees wax!


She came to our house when I was re-decorating my bathroom.  I was doing it in roses and I was buying the stuff for it piece by piece and she was in the store with me looking at stuff and I showed her the garbage can I was going to get and it had roses and matched everything else, although I didn't get it that day.  SOOOO my MIL goes to the dollar store and buys me a plain white trash can and brings it over and tells me and my husband that she got that for a dollar and SAVED ME $19.00 for the 20 bucks that I was going to spend on a garbage can!!!!!  I told her I wanted the other one because it went with my theme and she told me that was ridiculous because this one serves the same purpose!  I was so mad, but trying to hold my tonge and then my husband told me he didn't want me getting the other one cause it may "hurt her feelings".  He said if i got the other one to just trade them out when she came over.  FURIOUS, FURIOUS, FURIOUS, that woman STAYS in our business, it's horrible!


speaking of coffee -- beans that is,

does anyone dip their c. beans in baking chocolate for snacks?  I heard you can do this, but wondered if they are real hard, too strong or just plain tasty this way???


Just speaking the facts, ma'am, ;)
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Speaking of Maury and You are not the father.
How come it only takes Maury 2 days to get results of paternity tests and they still haven't determined who Anna's baby's father is ?.  Maybe Larry and Howard - are not the fathers ?    Why do they need her DNA anyway ?  Is there a question about her being the mother ?  All very strange.  But I do agree, poor thing, at least she with her first baby right now.  She was quite wacky but still she was Anna Nicole.
Speaking of cats getting birds...sm
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We have a covered patio area, almost entirely enclosed, where we feed them and have beds for them, so our dogs can't get to them (we call it the *cat house* LOL).

About a month ago, we went out to feed the cats at night, as usual, when what should fly into the cat house but a baby/young bird! It caught Isabelle's eye *immediately* (Nigel didn't seem to notice/care) but it was up high and she didn't move towards it. She seemed to be more focused on my husband as he prepared her food. I thought about trying to shoo the bird away with a broom, but I didn't want to startle it and send it right towards the cats.

Well, next thing you know, the baby bird decides it's time to fly away. As soon as it did, Isabelle took off after it at warp speed. It was amazing, really. She was up and over the fence after it in the blink of an eye. We stood there in shock, thinking there's *no way* she could have caught it. She was too far away from it when it took off. But then a few seconds later she jumped over the fence back into the cat house with it in her mouth, already dead.

Poor little thing. I wonder whatever possessed it to come in the cat house with 2 humans and 2 cats, at night. So sad, but that's the circle of life, I guess. ;o(
Speaking of weddings, tell me if I'm just being petty. SM

My father who is 68 years old and is getting married.  I'm not all fond of the woman he is marrying, but it's his life and I'm not a kid anymore, so whatever.  Thing is his woman is planning this obnoxiously big wedding complete with formal wedding gown and all -- 200+ guests with a fancy reception with dinner and dancing for everyone.  Then she wants a honeymoon to Paris which she is planning.  And I haven't even mentioned the engagement ring, let me just say $10,000!


So obviously I think this woman is over the top and a golddigger and a few other choice words I can't post on MTStars.  Don't you think an older couple each in their second marriage should have a smaller, family and close-friends only kind of a wedding?  Personally, I think if she wants such an extravagant honeymoon, she cut costs in the actually wedding and reception.


I've been holding my tongue, but I really want to say something to my dad.  Should I?  Ever since he starting dating this woman, I've been polite and friendly, kept my mouth shut.  Now that he has decided to marry her, I'm like WOA!  Am I just being territorial?


Speaking of dangerous LIARS
Have you made note of the people running OUR country into the ground - while killing with abandon in Iraq, etc., ad nauseam?
Speaking of leather furniture sm
Does anyone have any idea how to make worn spots look like new again? We have a huge medium-tan set, not the darkest, not the lightest, 3-4 years old and some of the seats and arms are beginning to look very faded. I hate to put the wrong treatment on there but it was very expensive and doubt the store would do anything about it. I think it's starting to look shabby but it's my husband's fave and he refuses to "see it" fading. Thanks.
Speaking of B'day surprises....
We were married 9 years ago at a Holiday Inn Convention Center room that was just a perfect place to have a wedding at. Well, they tore down the building and replaced it with a smaller hotel. During the time it was being torn down, we would happen to drive by and I would make comments about never getting to renew our vows there or spend an anniversary there because of it no longer being there. On my birthday a couple years ago he gave me this box that was extremely heavy. When I opened it, there lay four red bricks. I'm looking at him strangely as I am reading the note enclosed then the tears start falling. He is a police officer in the city where the building we were married in was being torn down and he was able to get these bricks from the building after telling the construction crew about us being married there. I know it sounds crazy, but he couldn't have bought me anything expensive that would have matched those bricks. They are priceless and definitely my most favorite gift from him. We now have four children and my plans are as each one gets older, I will let them decorate the brick with paint, pictures, etc of special things to them or memories they have of the family. My only problem is I don't know what to do with them after that. We have a fireplace and I think arranging them someway on that will be neat, but that's down the road a ways as they are still young. Well, back to the original topic of this post, it doesn't matter if the gift is expensive or not. A gift from the heart is what makes it special.
Speaking of Michael Vick, did you see...sm
How many of those dogs were rehabilitated and rehomed? Some are living on a sanctuary. Really. There were a few who could not be rehabilitated though and had to be put down but a lot weren't and are great dogs now. I just wanted to add that since speaking of Michael Vick. I know it probably won't make a difference to you but I didn't know if you knew some actually were rehabilitated.
BTW, I am adamantly against fighting pit bulls. That is abuse pure and simple.