Schools and the CRCT test inquiry...sm
Posted By: Southern belle on 2007-04-24
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Out of curiosity here.... in the area you live in, do your schools basically become just a babysitting facility after the CRCTs are administered until the last day of school? I've been through CRCT testing with my children now for 5 years and the minute they finish those tests, from that day on until the last day of school they're watching movies, spending more play time, etc. at school & very little actual school work. It's like the schools are busy teaching the CRCT criteria and once the testing is completed they don't do diddly squat for the last month of school.
What about in your area?
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Lets test the one giving the drug test, and (see message)
Lets make people who need to buy groceries take drug tests. Want to go to McDonalds? Hey need to take a drug test first. Need to renew your car registration - take a drug test. Want to go to a movie, better take a drug test. When will the insanity stop.
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have a friend who is a teacher at private school who passed along this info so don't flame me,LOL.
What the heck does CRCT stand for?
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Inquiry time
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7-year-old with behavior problems at school inquiry...sm
Our 7-year-old has problems with peer relations, has always had this and it's getting worse. She is a moody child and comes on too strongly with her peers which is why she doesn't have but 1 friend.
We're now having increasing problems with her talking back to the teachers at school when she's redirected for not doing as she's supposed to be doing in class. We've had problems with both of these issues with her in the past but it was better last year when she was in a smaller classroom setting. Now she's in a class with 25 kids and the problems are worse than ever. Sigh.
We've tried role playing with her on how to respond to her peers appropriately. She's been given everything from rewards for good behavior to restrictions for not behaving, but the problems continue. The school psychologist has put her into a group of kids that have a hard time with peers once a week to help with the socialization skills.
Anyone else deal with this and if so, what strategies did you use to overcome this? I'm more concerned about her negative responses to the teachers than anything. We're not having problems with her behaving at home - it's only at school. Any suggestions will be greatly welcome!
She'd like to learn something new to cook. There was a negative response to her inquiry
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We're not here to make each other feel like crumbs. Please try to be nice.  Cat
Ask before you test..
Just ask before you test if they are willing to pay you X amount if you test well. If they say no, don't bother testing. Good luck!
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They don't usually test to put them in certain classes. sm
Sometimes in high school it is a matter of making a schedule work and classes work around students to make a full class, etc. So that may or may not be why she was put in this class. I believe too much is expected out of kids these days and I say let her out of the class or at the least talk to the counselor about her issues. I believe in Physics class it helps a lot to have the other classes first. Otherwise, she would be really lost and it sounds like she might be.
Test Message
This is my test message.
smell test
I can tell when the teacher has hugged my kid because she smells like the perfume the teacher wears.
A school day is long. Better the teacher is kind to your child than mean (and there are both kinds of teachers.)
pregancy test then I was in
My MIL thought I was ridiculous wearing maternitiy clothes at 7 weeks, but I was not going to squeeze into my clothes out of vanity. I bloated, barfed and gained 50 pounds, and afterwards lost all the weight and fit into my old clothes just fine. Enjoy being pregnant. Take a nap and eat ice cream!
I read it is an excellent test, but
I also heard it really smarts.
I was not aware this was a test question. SM
I answered honestly. I am sorry it was not to your liking. If you want me to agree with you, okay, your ex is nuts and call the police on him. Whatever.
Just remember one thing, troubled people tend to gravatate toward each other in life. Think about it.
Did they do an MRI of her adrenals yet? Test her for Lyme? Our kid
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We should use them as test subjects for medication and
I guarantee you start doing some tough punishment and there would be less of that crap going on.
I think they are pretty worthless and not really an IQ test because sm
if you have ever had a Wechsler, you know that those kinds of questions don't play into it. They are mind teasers and trick questions, not something that a Wechsler uses. A Wechsler is several hours long and goes through your math, language, spacial relations and problem solving skills, and it is timed. Part of IQ is how fast you can solve complex problems.
I have taken a Wechsler and while I won't quote you a number, I will say the person who gave it as part of a psychological evaluation, told me he would diagnose me as way too smart for my own good. He stated that I probably didn't suffer fools gladly because I view most of the world as fools. I only fall at the 99.6 percentile on the Bell curve. No, I don't suffer fools gladly, but I try to be nice while others catch up.
Can we drug-test the Senators too?
I don't think connecting unemployment benefits to drug-testing is a good idea. In fact, I don't think drug testing should be random at all. I think it should be reserved for cases that are on a need-to-know basis. And no, I have never used drugs, never tried them. It's a matter of civil liberties and constitutional rights against invasions of our privacy. Next thing you know, they'll be testing us for lipid levels after we're seen frequenting a house of trans-fats.
And while we're on the topic, decriminalizing drugs would go a long way toward reducing drug-related crimes. Nothing is perfect in this discussion though because drugs really are evil. It just becomes a matter of damage control.
They want to make sure that the baby they test for paternity is
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Criteron-Referenced Comptency Test....sm
and while theoretically kids that do not pass it in the 3rd, 5th and 8th grades will not be passed, in reality very few are truly held back. That's because the schools get "waivers" for those that fail for various reasons, send them to summer school or any reason they can find to pass them anyway.
Update on kids' hepatitis test
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...another test, but again, I forget what the smell is supposed
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That is a good idea--take it for a test drive. ;-) nm
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Does it matter what time of day you take a pregnancy test??/
i've read that morning time is the best, but does it really matter? i'm 37, had a tubal after my second pregnancy six years ago. i'm a week and a half late. i've never been this late before. i figured i'd start with taking a home pregnancy test first. i'm anxious to take it and don't want to wait until tomorrow, but heard morning time was the best time.
thanks
Have you see a cardiologist? A tilt table test should
My daughter has this and has had a pacemaker since age 15.
Have the spells been occurring more frequently? Please consider seeing a cardiologist as a first step, at least. Good luck to you.
But doesn't the FDA extensively test drugs before marketing? nm
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The courts will now get their DNA test to confirm paternity and whoever the father
really is will be awarded custody. However, given the nature of this case, I am sure the Division of Family Services will be involved no matter what.
See, that's was exactly my initial response to the negative drug test. SM
I felt like relief that my son, even when faced with the temptation, resisted the urge to smoke pot with his friends. I actually congratulated my son and told him how proud I was that he hadn't been taking any drugs or smoking pot. But then I wondered if he should be punished for having a bong in his pack. He obviously didn't use it, but why did he have it?
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Thanks everyone for listening and offering your advice.
Went to the schools to eat
Several times. Nothing like we had when we were kids. There was No quality to their meals. I was not pleased.
Same at our schools
The kids can have them in school, but they have to be turned off and kept in their lockers. They found that the students were actually using the cell phones to cheat on tests. My daughter is probably one of the only teens that doesn't have a cell phone. If she goes out and absolutely needs one then she borrows either mine or her father's. We never had cell phones. I think most of us turned out okay.
Schools
Wondering if you can help me with this.
Due to many problems within the school district I have decided to start a special parents group to address the situations that were not handled properly, teacher/student relationships, and on.
What questions/and concerns would you ask of your school if you were not satisfied with them,;
Thanks for your time.
My kids only act out like that if they are sick - get him a strep test! Has he said his stomach hurt
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private schools
No, it's not fair that you should have to pay for a private school, but that might just be what is best for your daughter. We decided 16 years ago that our 3 children would not go to public schools. We have spent a fortune over the years, but I do not regret it for an instant.
but he did not go to Korean schools
the other poster may be correct about what they teach in Korea, but that was not the cause of this person going ballistic. and it should not be made to seem like it was.
The schools have enough to take care of
besides crap like this. Kids, source, name calling SO? You are grown, supposed to know better, do not stoop to their level by retaliation, nothing gained as hubs would say.
It is not only in schools. It can be anywhere. On the news here
in SC last night, a little boy 3 or 4 years of age has it and is at MUSC in Charleston but doing good. He was not in day care anywhere. He stayed at home all the time.
Our schools do the same thing
Having kids from 7 up to 19 in our district, I've had this happen a few times. But the difference is, our school district sends home on the very first day of school, a form that tells you if there is an emergency and kids have to be dismissed early, what you want to happen. I elect for my kids to get on the bus and if no one is home, they will be sent to Latchkey. When they take the bus, the bus driver will not let them off until an adult appears. She will sit there and honk for a few minutes and then go. Working with headphones on makes that difficult too, but I normally get someone calling telling me they heard about the school, etc. as a warning. They don't have time to call parents and I understand that. Not to mention, if the power is out at our schools, the phones go out as well.
Now we have had practice evacuations in case of fire, bomb threats, etc at the lower age and the teacher has to get them to our local fire dept, which is a very short walk away. They wait there until the buses can get there and take them home. They had to do this one time and it was a mess. Of course parents heard about the bomb threats (blanket threat over the whole district so everyone was evacuated), so they showed up to get their kids or sent friends, but they would not release kids to no one but parents. No grandparents, nothing. Reason being, if a true emergency like 9/11 happened, would they honestly have time to get those emergency forms? No one knew that they were not going to release the kids to parents only. Now that they've experienced it and people wrote letters complaining etc, it is now documented on the same form as mentioned above about parents only picking up their kids during a situation like this.
I know its hard, but I would at least write a letter explaining your situation, but be compassionate to what they are experiencing as well and come up with a compromise. They shouldn't have released your kids to your brother without any emergency forms for sure. I'm in a very small district where everybody knows everyone and they still would not release kids that day. They knew they were liable.
What's happening to Schools
Everytime I pick up a newspaper, watch the news or read stuff off the internet I hear about schools being in lockdown. Why is this happening? It wasn't heard of way back when. Don't the schools today lock their doors any when school is in session and use a buzzer to let people in and out? This is really scary. Schools today need to put more security in place. I can't imagine being a student, parent or school official and having to deal with this.
None of my high schools because sm
I don't have a clue where any of them are, haven't gone to a reunion, although this year is 30 years and I STILL won't go!
My life took a very different track from many of them. I was and am the Earth Mother, vegetarian, animal lover, big family gal and they were money-oriented yuppie types. NOTHING in common.
I recently connected with a friend from elementary school. We were not really friends then, but we are now. The other 2 friends I had from elementary school also went on different paths. One married and had a career, and her real full time job was managing the doofus she married AND the kids they had. The other never married, never had children and has been a bartender for 25 years at a couple of bars her brothers own. Again, nothing in common.
My most enduring and treasured friendship is an MT friend I met online in 2001. We have talked nearly daily since, but have never met in person. We will be spending a week together in June, the plans for which dropped into our laps unexpectedly. We had decided we might never meet face to face and that was okay. She is no less dear. We have used a webcam in recent months and connected that way, which was a gas.
12-year old girl forced to take pregnancy test due to school rumor
NEVADA CITY, Calif. -- A 12-year-old girl was forced to take a pregnancy test at school in Nevada City, a lawsuit filed in Nevada County Superior Court alleges.
The Pacific Justice Institute, which is representing the girl, said in a news release that Steve Davis, a counselor at Seven Hills Middle School, pulled the girl out of class.
KCRA 3 has decided not to name the girl out of protection for her privacy.
Davis heard rumors that she was pregnant and wanted to know if it was true, the release said.
Though she denied it and told Davis a classmate had spread rumors about her in the past, the counselor got a pregnancy test from the school nurse and told the 12-year-old to give a urine sample, the Pacific Justice Institute said.
The pregnancy test was negative.
According to the news release, the girl was embarrassed and humiliated, and her parents were angry when they found out.
They worked with the Pacific Justice Institute to get an apology from the Nevada City School District, but didn't receive one.
The lawsuit, filed Oct. 29, 2008, seeks damages for violation of the girl's right to privacy and emotional distress.
"There is no merit in the claim," Superintendent Roger Steel said. He directed further questions to the district's attorney.
Reached at home Monday night, Davis said he had no comment on the lawsuit.
My battle with public schools
I will try not to get to long-winded here, but I wanted to let you know my experience with public schools. My youngest of 3 boys has extreme expressive language delay. His first word was at 4.5 and was Mama. No autism, no physical reasons. In every other aspect, he was normal.
After he was no longer eligible for state intervention after 3 years of age, we paid for private speech therapy but that was killing us and our insurance did not cover it. So we decided to enroll him in the preschool 4 year old program the following year.
It was a nightmare two weeks experience. The principal of the school would not let parents walk their kids to class. I was expected to bring my 4 year old nonverbal scared child to the front door and some teacher would escort him. In that two weeks, we had many meetings trying to resolve the problems. In addition, my son began to act out in extreme ways, peeing, screaming, hitting, kicking. It was not normal for him at all.
Finally, that Friday of the second week, it all came to an head for me. My son was screaming and hiding under the steering wheel that morning. I was crying. It had been a nightmare dealing with an insane school bureaucracy to get help, my husband being no help and saying we just needed to give it more time, and my little formerly sweet son acting out so savagely.
I decided that was it. He was only 4 for goodness sake. I went in to remove him from school. I was met in the office (the only place parents could go in the building - I swear this is true!) by the principal and told that I was to leave my child there, leave, or she would call the police!
This woman was something else. She refused to listen to any of my concerns, and refused at all to let me go into the classroom! I literally begged in tears in her office to **allow** me to go to my son's class to help so I could see what was going on. Parents were not allowed to help out in school unless on special days, like field day.
A shouting match ensued - and I mean my mama bear came roaring out. My son was there with me, clinging to my leg for all he was worth, listening to the principal and I scream at each other. Because the principal literally screamed at me back. It was without a doubt one of the worst experiences in my life. Teachers came running to see what was going on...my son's teacher was there trying to calm me down. I left that building with my son and have never been back.
My husband came racing home from work, I was so hysterical when I called, fearing they would take our child away from us. There were phone calls the next couple days from the school superintendent - Oh, we're so sorry. She's a new principal. She will be talked to about this. Come back, etc.
By that time, I was in battle fatigue and scared to death of my child being taken away. Fast forward now 5 years...He is talking up a storm, reading, very good in math, and is back to his sweet and gentle self. We chose homeschooling. We didn't want to really but couldn't afford private schools.
We got swept up in a great co-op that has become our pseudo-school. He takes classes there and has made very good friends. The kids were all very accepting of him from the first and did not tease at all about his speech. Last year, at graduation ceremonies, he read a booklet so clear and perfectly pronounced. One of the mom's put her arm around me because she knew what a long journey it has been for him.
So, that's my story. Sorry so long. For my other two sons, my eldest is in high school public school. My middle son couldn't stand being in school with his younger brother having so much fun in co-op and we homeschool him too.
I worked in the schools with them for years.
Try raising them for their entire lives. These kids have LOTS of other problems, just ADHD as an example because there are so many kids on this stuff. They are on LOTS of medications which do cause a lot of GI upset. You're grandchildren are lucky if they didn't get stuck on these drugs...unfortunately, the kids I'm talking about aren't so lucky.. they are court mandated to be put on these drugs without a thought of what it is doing to them.
You obviously assume I don't know what I'm talking about...being sick to your stomach has nothing to do with being disrespectful. I've seen disrespectful up close.
I think it's a great idea and that all schools should do it.
Just my opinion...but we all see the way some of these kids dress today, especially the girls.
Lunchables are better than what most schools serve.
today our elementary school served cinnamon rolls and chili *!*!gross*!*!* and the option was PBJ sandwiches.
I say Lunchables rule. I am sure if mom is worried about keeping them cold she is concientious(sp?) enough to make sure they eat a good breakfast and an excellent dinner. Welcome to 2007
I will climb off my soapbox now and finish eating my lunchable :)
Not all schools have a waiting list - sm
where I am the local teaching hospital does not use them at all. So fresh crop each time. I have been thinking about it too. I am 42. I need to do 3 classes first to qualify for the program. It is full-time though 5 straight semesters and I would be done, though would probably go for the more advanced degree once I had the basic one, have to get that one first though. Money is also an issue, guess I would have to hope for a full scholarship as I have no money to go to school, and of course childcare during the summer would be the other issue. Just wish the program was not "accellerated" so I didn't have to do school in the summer. A job is basically guaranteed when done too, though I am sure you don't get to offered 9-5!
I went to 2 different high schools and when it came to driving....sm
the 1st high school a lot of the parents gave their kids brand new cars for their 16th birthday and paid for everything. A lot of those kids would wreck their cars and didn't care because they had no true repercussions.
The 2nd high school I went to after we moved was in a more economically depressed area. The kids that did have cars, generally had older used cars, had to work part-time to pay for the expenses of it and rarely got into accidents.
I drove a family car and while I was a senior in high school I took a full load of high school classes, 12 hours of college classes, worked 15 hours a week to pay for gas, insurance, upkeep, and was in marching/concert band, and made straight A's because I was determined to do all of this.
ESL students in elementary schools
They probably bought the store from a cousin.
I grew up in public schools where about 1/3 of my fellow students in elementary school were SE asian refugee children and some spanish speaking children and some who spoke other things. My teachers did not know what to do with classes of 33 students (5 over limit) where they had students speaking Laotian, Cambodian, Vietnamese, Spanish, and who knows what else, and little to no English. These kids spent an hour a day in ESL but they never caught up (maybe by senior year in high school, some of them) . There is another method where they spend their first year in intensive ESL study before going into the regular classroom. Since kids learn languages better the younger they are, this makes a lot more sense. I know that I and other students were slowed down by this problem in the classroom (as well as the fact that the school could not keep up with the numbers and our classes were overcrowded).
Our high schools here all have a no cell
phone policy. First time, the parent comes to pick it up. After that the school keeps it until the end of the year. No reason for them to have cell phones turned on during classes is the way I see it. Before and after school is fine, but not during. My daughter's middle school also has no cell phone policy. Even if they are in their lockers and ring, they are taken away.
One school in a neighboring county was confiscating them and giving them away. The parents there filed a law suit and they now keep them, but the student loses it until the end of the year.
That is what stinks about private schools - sm
my kids used to attend private school, one reason I pulled them out was this one girl who bullied everyone, she was allowed to hurt kids, over and over again because the school wanted the tuition money and the father donated thousands of dollars in money, time, and construction labor to the school, and they were constantly "giving" things just so their daughter would not get kicked out. After trying to stangle someone the parents were finally told they had to get the girl some help and now she is on medication, but it took 4 years before the school did anything. The girl is still there, friendless basically, all the kids in her class cannot stand her, and she is just a pain in general. It is very sad in a way, if the parents had gotten her help a lot sooner she probably would not have allienated all the kids in her class (20 or so).
cutting funding for schools....sm
My sunday paper today had an article about possible cuts for funding to schools. I cannot believe how friggin ignorant the government is!!! (well, actually yes I can) But it angers me to no end!! They need to start thinking about cutting funding WITHIN the government! But schools???? come on now! Of all the possible things they could cut and they come up with children's education??? Don't they realize that these kids are the people who are going to be taking care of them one day, whether it be their doctor or lawyer, the president, lawmakers, or Transcriptionist or whatever. They are OUR future in one way or another whether they're serving us food or wiping our butts! We need them to be as educated as they possibly can be. Besides, we need them to get a good education so they'll be able to get us out of this economical hell hole the government has got us into right now! This has just been ticking me off for a long time but today seeing it in print really got to me. Oh, and they're always cutting funding for mental health, too. Um...hello????....I think maybe they're the ones who need the mental health care if they don't see what's wrong with THAT picture, either. Children and mental health. I just don't get it. Anyone else agree with me?
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