Religion is not the only means to spirituality or vice versa (SM)
Posted By: Apple Scruff on 2007-04-10
In Reply to: I have - ANON
They certainly do exist together for many people, but they do exist exclusive of each other for others. An atheist can be the most spiritual person on the block over his or her religious peers. Spirituality is a concept that is different for each person. It is what makes a person feel they are at the right place at the right time, like they are at peace, or whatever someone decides for themself is their truth.
Think outside the box!
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Unless your friend used to be a she or vice versa - sm
what's the big deal? His family has called him by one name his whole life and then they are expected to forget that name? His friends know him by a shortened version of his old name - fine.
It might not have anything to do with respect at all, just hard to do away with the first name.
Then again, he could go around and knock the snot out of everyone who calls him by his old name.
Worked for my sister! Until we moved across state when I was 9 and my sister was 11, she had been called Shelly by all of us. In our new town, she was no longer to be called Shelly but by her "real name" Michelle.
Every time I slipped, and even when I did it on purpose, she hauled off and popped me one until I didn't do it anymore.
And vice versa, just because the kids do not visit
does not mean their parents tried any and everything to raise them properly and then the kids turned out rotten. Works both ways.
Please allow me this vice. Implanting Brook's eggs - CRAZY!!
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You aren't possibly related to that vice-president some years back who SM
spelled potato incorrectly are you? LOL. Sorry, couldn't resist that one! Have a good sandwich! 
Tell them it is against your religion.
That has worked for me and have had some say, really? I just refuse, simple for me.
As far as I know, it sounds like her religion....
is Penecostal. I believe that the women in that religion wears skirts at all times. Jehovah's Witnesses do not wear skirts all the time, only when attending congregation meetings and when out in their ministry that they do.
I feel very sorry for the OP because it sounds like her & hubby are good friends to the couple. It is true that divorce hurts everyone....what's worse is that marriage can sometimes hurt everyone too.
In a case like this, it is better to just be supportive to both parties and try not to take sides, hopefully they will iron things out.
This is not religion, this is MYTH.
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No MT, no politics, no religion. Anything else is ok.
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I am not trying to be disrespectful but her religion- sm
is/was her business. If I was on my deathbed the last thing I would want do discuss with my relatives would be if I had accepted Jesus into my heart, etc. I really hate it that new "christians" feel it is there mission in life to "save" everybody and feel they have to convert everybody and save them from themselves. My dad has recently refound religion and it is causing lots of strife in our family which is very non-religious. No one wants to be with him because his is constantly nagging us to go to church with him, to convert, etc. He blamed it on my mom (who is dead) as the reason why he did not return to the church sooner - horsepucky as Colonel Potter would say-- once she died he was re-born 3 months later. I am not baptist, nor do I go to church, nor do my kids. They know about Jesus and God though, but I don't feel the need or desire to go to church every Sunday and hand them over 10% of our gross income which in our case would almost pay for a second house. You should not be worrying about your grandmother's salvation, worry about yourself and stop trying to save the world. I am sure she is where she wanted to be and her spirit will live on in your heart and memories.
That's the Muslim Religion
Haven't you seen or heard how they treat their women, especially with all the stuff happening in the Middle East now. They are the ruler of the family and the women must cow-tow [sic] to them.
IOW, women are second class citizens in their world just like it used to be in the U.S. before Susan B. Anthony and others. If you daughter wants to be independent, there is no way it will happen being married to him. I wouldn't even bother telling the parents since they are getting a divorce, BUT MAKE SURE you get a restraining order on him or else it may get very dangerous.
I don't mean to scare you, but please be careful.
woodchucks & religion
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could wood? Gotta smile....As for the posts about religion, let the Christians be.... It matters not whether you're Baptsit, Jewish, Budhist, Christian, Hindu, Catholic, AME Zion, 7th day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, atheists...There's a lot more people here in the US with diverse backgrounds and beliefs....That's what makes this country so great...freedom of speech and the freedom to practice the religion of your choice Lighten up.
This is too much! I was just over on the Religion board and sm
someone posted a link to Alan Jackson's How Great Thou Art. It was an amazing tribute. Then another slow song came on after that and I came over here while letting the music play in the background. I was doing fine until I read about the 10 y.o. getting fitted for dentures. I am bawling my eyes out over here! I have a sweet, precious, well-behaved 10 year old son. I can't imagine. I just can't. O God, help us.
I am not turning this to a religion argument- sm
I prefer not to have my child taught at a church school for personal reasons. The school they were attending squeezed in church teachings as it is, though they were not a church school, and I was not thrilled with that either. Some teachers did it more than others. As for find a teacher that "really cares" only being at a church affiliated school, that is quite a broad statement to make. At the private school my kids had been attending, the teaches were paid 25% less than what the teachers made at the public school level, which could mean 3 things, the teacher really cared and wanted a small class size to teach, (2) wanted kids that were less troublesome to teach and better behaved (3) the teacher was inadequate and could not get hired in a public school (which was the case for a few teachers where my kids were). ---There are a lot of angles to look at when considering private school religion is one of them, tuition, quality of the teachers, certification, the school board, the parent organization, the involvment expects --ours was extreme involvement which is good and bad (burnout)--I am much happier now with the kids in public school, and my 8-y/o is now actually being taught by a qualified computer teacher and not some old lady who knew nothing about computers or computer programs trying to make a few extra bucks having the kids make designs and pictures on the computer (they had a new computer teacher every year as they'd quit every year). There are pros and cons to every school, you got to find out what you want to deal with.
yep, religion and landowners.....I agree! sm
The Crusaders - yep, I remember it well. Also, I divorced a man who later on became born again and now we cannot have ONE conversation without him bringing that aspect of life into the convo.
Really bothers me too........geesh.
there are *weird psychos* in EVERY religion...
I so respect everyone's religion but I am appalled by religious fanatics...the ones who go wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy overboard and I think misinpret Bibles.......taking things to the EXTREME.....
fanatics, extremists - nope, cannot deal with them....and shouldn't have to but I notice each religion has so many different levels and sects - it's almost like different religions within each separate religion....I get some of that....but not all of it....
*scratches head quizzically* because I'm a live and let live type of person and so it's difficult to understand why EVERYONE doesn't let everyone live and let live.....
Not the right term to use here. Amen against religion?nm
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I also know of one religion that helps out community
they actually pay back some in taxes to communities where there is a volunteer fire department, etc., precisely because they benefit from such services.
No, it is an inferance and any teaching of religion -sm
should be done by the parents. I had my kids in private school up until 2 years ago, took them out for several reasons, one being that many of the teachers were teaching about God and making them pray before every meal (snack and lunch). I was paying $12K a year for my kids not to be in a church school, as this was not a religious school (or at least not supposed to be). I could have sent them to many, many cheaper schools in the area but they were all church affiliated. Some of us don't want our kids to be taught by others. I explain all the different religions to my kids, but don't want some outsider to teach their beliefs to my child. It is not their business to teach religion, if they want to do that then become a minister and run a church.
i beg to differ. I wish i had freedom FROM religion
I get treated by a leper because I am athiest.
But, shouldn't this be on the RELIGION Board?? nm
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Are you rejecting religion and the Bible or God?
I have problems myself with organized religion; however, I have personal proof of life after death, which leads me to believe in a Creator. Just curious about where you're coming from.
I know the catholic religion has guidelines
that my religion, Methodist, don't have as I have relatives that have converted so they can get married. I think in my cousin's case, he did not want to jump through all those hoops and was thinking about getting married by a methodist preacher. That priest told them that if they do that, but then his wife-to-be would loose her place in the church, meaning she could still go but she could not, participate in ceremonies, make decisions for the church etc., because she would not be considered married and living in sin.
Anyway, I think your dd and future SIL should get a 2nd opinion from another priest. But, you should remember too that this is their battle. If they are big enough to get married, they are big enough to fight their own battles. If they truly want to be married than they will and this is pretty much small potatoes.
Sounds like a conservative religion. Mennonite
perhaps? They are less conservative than Amish, but very conservative - skirts and meeting in homes being my only clues. But that said - normally any conservative "religion" also does not approve of divorce no matter what - save adultery. And I have heard that some conservative "reconstructionist" groups do not even support divorce under those circumstances either - sounds like the wife is playing some games. Very sad, and I'm sorry for you folks, too. Divorce hurts everyone.
take your bible thumping to the religion board.
Another good example of a CARNAL "Christian" calling people pathetic and nauseating, a fine example of "love thy neighbor as thyself." LOL
Didn't say you couldn't talk about religion
She just said to take it to the Christianity Boards and keep it off the Gab Board. I had no problem with it, but the we're not in charge, the modertor/adminstrator is.
Isn't it illegal to fire someone for observing their own religion? nm
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Haven't you heard? Freedom of religion isn't for...SM
Christians. It's for everyone else. Sure a Muslim can pray in this country anytime they want, heck you can worship satan himself or practice witchcraft, but a be a Christian and actually admit you are one, let alone pray or read your Bible in public... come on, are you serious? You know every Christian has a secret agenda. We're just proselytizing little brainwashed fools. We're not just praying quietly to ourselves -- we are praying God will send a lightening bolt and strike all the unbelievers. We Christians aren't just placing our Bibles on our desks to read during our breaks -- we HOPE to beat someone over the head with it at some point during the day.
Freedom of religion has been twisted by the liberal spin doctors. It only applies to to those who think like them.... ironic isn't it?
"The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them." -- Lenny Bruce
Also try reading about comparative religion and myth - sm
I recommend The Power of Myth (book and series of specials on PBS) with Joseph Campbell. Interesting stuff. The search for the meaning of life is world-wide and Christianity is certainly not the only belief system out there, nor organized religion in general for that matter!
Yes, but Indian's from India are not Muslim. They are of the Hindu religion. sm
they also believe in reincarnation and not the Koran.
They do treat women as a much lower class, though.
Doesn't matter what religion they are, the Indians treat
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That's what I LOVE about America. Freedom of Religion, speech, etc. But sm
I have to say, if you are an atheist (I am a Christian, BTW), where is your moral "compass" (sorry for the pun) I was an atheist for many, many years (3/4 of my life spent without God or religion). In that time I was: Suicidal, desperate, a liar, a phony, had no direction in life, a slander and just about everything else worldly you could think of. I was selfish..must I go on?
Then, when I hit rock bottom I had no where to look but up. He was there (God). He placed me upon a rock and I've never looked back or down since. I can honestly say I no longer lie or think bad thoughts about other people. I have a clear direction for my life. I do follow Biblical principles and obey His laws. I have a moral compass and a value system I am so proud of. As an atheist there was no right or wrong in my life. Since I didn't fear God I did basically whatever I felt was good or right, even believe in abortion. I am being totally transparent with you, from one ex-atheist to another atheist.
How do you explain a radical life change such as myself? Where do you draw your line of morality from? God says abortion is wrong and so it's wrong. God says a gay lifestyle is an abomination, and so it is. Don't get mad at me, It's in His Word. He said it. Not me.
Anyways, I think that there is much to be said about living a good Christian lifestyle and following its beliefs. My life is in clear order now instead of chaos. I have a life-long goal - to make it to heaven and take those whom I love with me.
What a sad, sad life I led before God. Wow. Like the old saying goes, "I never want to go back to my old life." Good luck to you.
I did last year and promptly told to post on religion board.
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Heads up! The Gab board is for general discussion not to include MT, Religion, or Politics.
This was put into place when we very first set up the Gab board. We have a Christianity, Conservatives, and Liberals forum that you can post on. But, let me be clear. I do not condone trashing of anyone's religious preference and neither should you. I expect posts on any of these forums to be respectful (that does NOT mean we are censoring, there IS a difference). This is NOT open for debate. These are the rules. If you can't respect them, you don't need to post here.
It means...
I don't care for organized religion. I believe there are some truths in most religions - the Golden Rule, live a life of moderation, try to make the world a better place. I believe there are spiritual aspects to our existence, that we are not just bones and skin and blood, we are something more. As to exactly what that "more" consists of - I read, I study, I learn, I experience....maybe one day I'll figure it out. Or maybe not.
Don't know if this answers your question, but it's the best I can do.
perhaps? That means maybe...
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So that means don't put his name in
the hat for gift exchange or expect him to help decorate or attend a party. I think the amount the company spends per employee on any parties (if they are the ones paying) could simply be given to him as a check. Other employees could be told they have this option also. Maybe there is somebody else who thinks it's a lot of nonsense but just kept their mouth shut, but now they have the option of getting a check.
That's what I'd do if I were the OM or giving ideas to the OM. I'd still decorate if the majority want to, but avoid using real greenery for a completely different reason - a lot of people are now extremely allergic to Christmas trees or boughs that have been treated with some chemical to extend their life.
what it means
When he calls you that name, it means he has contempt for you. When he projects everything to be your fault, he also holds you in contempt. This is verbal and emotional abuse. As far as punching the wall, the wall is the stand in for what he would like to do to you and he may eventually punch you. Take it from me, who was called every dirty name ever invented by my spouse and whose doors and walls had holes and dents.
I would put your well-being and that of your child first and seek therapy. It would be great if he went, but he sees you as the problem, and he may refuse to go. You can't fix him. He needs to fix himself.
As much as you may not want to hear this, leaving him may be the best thing for your own sanity and self-preservation and also so your child doesn't have to grow up in that environment.
If you can't afford therapy, there may be a battered woman's group in your area that can give you information and advice. I utilized my local group and found it very helpful.
The only regret that I have about my marriage is that I stayed in it far too long.
means.
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I think she means
that with unstable dry sand, or even with sand of a wetter consistency, if a hole is too deep (over a child's head)it is possible for them to be in the hole and the sides collapse in on top of them. Just inform your kids that they cannot dig over a foot or so deep; make whatever limit you feel safe with. There's nothing to fear if they keep it shallow.
This happened to a man I knew years ago with dirt, not sand, but I agree it would be possible in sand and probably easier done. He was working in a ditch deeper than he was tall, and when it collapsed on top of him, it killed him. I do believe that is what 'SM' is warning against.
And that means?
Marriage is mostly a gamble. Some turn out alright, some don’t. I think it has nothing to do with the fact of the friend spilling her soul to a daughter.
thank you so much that means a lot to me
i'm in tears. I'm so glad you are happy.
No, I would not go. If that means he goes and you spend TG by yourself so be it.
After enduring 13 years of the "in-laws" I gave my husband an ultimatum - either them or me and I meant it. I was not putting up with them anymore. Fortunately, he chose me and his kids, and our lives have been so peaceful for the past 6 years without them in it! I just severed the ties.
Good luck with your situation. I really feel for you.
My mom always says "stay away from those who disrupt your inner peace." I listened to her advice.
I could be wrong but I think the OP means....sm
I read the OP's post as meaning if HEAVEN FORBID something happened either to their relationship (breaking up for example) or to her DH (heaven forbid but we don't know around the corner, eh?) - that she perhaps might want more children (with a 2nd husband is how I read this). I don't read it as selfish - I read it as WHAT IF HE DIES.......and she chooses to get remarried or WHAT IF THEY DIVORCE and she chooses to get remarried.
So, yeah, to the OP - the post made some *sense* to me as you were hoping it made to most of us. Best luck! 
I don't think he is spoiled by any means..sm
he just likes natural food. There is nothing wrong with that. If it was my kitty though, and this is not meant to be judgemental so please don't take it that way, I would probably delay the vacation until the kitty was a little older. But that's just me.
The word means to
water something down, not meaning neuter. IF you have a concetrated solution, you can put water in and that would so call neutralize it. Two completely different words.
I think a *record* means NOTHING if you have to - sm
CHEAT (i.e., steroids) in order to achieve it. He's still so OBVIOUSLY all 'roided up.... puffy face, oversized neck, etc. Heck, if I shot all that junk into my body, I could probably hit just as many homers out of the park, and I don't even play baseball!
I'm just SO thankful they didn't interrupt *Big Brother* to bring us the *news*.
yes, it means something to the Jewis and to
A little cultural education about others goes a long, long way!! You might want to check into it......
It means, that back then you were in the sm
midst of full living and happiness with important people in your life. To pay attention to now because now is here and you should be creating happiness at this moment so when you look back you can say, ahhh, that was all good. You deserve to be happy. So if your not, find a way. If you are, be aware of it and count your blessings!
I think it means sharp tap.
Kind of like a teacher might do on her desk to get the class' attention.
I think it means you are still willing to learn (sm)
Something I have noticed about being "defined" is that sometimes it gets in the way of learning something new or even correcting old cherished ideas that are really wrong.
I have come to have definite and convictions about things, but it took time and something I still do is draw contrasts with other ideas to see if I still am comfortable thinking the way I do. Some things I have become more sure of, some refined and others discarded.
If I was going to give advice, I would say to keep asking questions about things and when you get answers, analyze whether they really make sense. It sounds like that is already what you do. As you go, you will become more sure about some things you believe now and other things are yet to be discovered.
One more thing I would advise: Keep an open mind and don't discount anyone as possibly having the information you need to find what is right and true.
No, it means you had sex on the same night, 13
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