Question about Gardasil-Do girls need a Pap and
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Gardasil
I so agree with you. This is too new and the FDA approves things only to find out later they have horrible side effects. I have two daughters and they will not be getting this injection.
Gardasil
Agreed! I am sick of others telling me what to put in my kids. If it comes to that I will be home schooling.
Gardasil
That is my greatest fear as well.
Gardasil
You're wrong about that. I have United Healthcare and they paid the entire cost for my daughter who is 17. I feel that in no way does this condone premarital sex. My daughter is absolutely aware that this does not prevent pregnancy, HIV or other STDs. We have had lots of discussions about sex and that it should be saved for marriage in a loving relationship. However, I'm not so naive as to think that she may possibly not wait. I feel it is my responsibility to keep her healthy in any way I can. Also what about rape? Sometimes our "morals" aren't someone elses. By the way, the recommended age is 9-26. Either wait until your daughter is old enough to understand the implications or as a previous poster mentioned, just treat it like another immunization if you're not ready to get into that discussion. I don't know that I agree with making this mandatory, but if so, maybe that would also make it more affordable. I also had qualms about future implications of this, but sometimes you just have to take a chance and hopes the benefits outweigh the risks.
Gardasil
But this is a vaccination against cancer, not a treatment.
Gardasil
Your are 100% correct! I wish people would speak up.
Gardasil....
Have you researched this? I have been researching it and I will not let it be given to my daughter. As far as a pap, I don't know. Depending on the age, it probably wouldn't hurt.
Gardasil...
Well, when it first came out I was a little skeptical as Texas made it mandatory for girls of certain ages and it didn't see the testing on it was very long. There was a big discussion on here a while back about it. I'm sure you can search the archives. Anyway, one of the things I found was that cervical cancer can be detected with regular pap smears and then treated with a high success rate. Also, I found that there had been at least 8 deaths and some of the side effects are very severe, including paralysis, Guillain-Barre, and seizures. I understand why they have it but there are just too many reports coming out of girls that have had severe reactions or died from it. There actually could be more deaths as I haven't checked up on it in a few months. I tend to be a little paranoid than other mothers, but I lost a daughter to leukemia shortly before her 3rd birthday and I only have 1 daughter left. I don't have a problem with people taking their daughters to the doctor and getting it as long as they are fully informed of its side effects and have researched it. I just prefer not to let my daughter have it. I will stick with the yearly paps when she gets old enough. Where I do think it would be helpful is if you have a family history of cervical cancer, which I do not, but I would still be very cautious and ask as many questions as you can to make sure you are comfortable with your daughter having it.
Gardasil...
I read that somewhere about Australia providing it for males. I'm sure it will hit here eventually. Maybe they're currently testing it on males. Also, I think it was the UK that has another vaccine out that is supposed to target 2 of the strains of HPV but does not have all of the benefits of Gardasil. Anyway, maybe someone else knows more about the males getting it. I would just Google it and see. I researched a while back and very, very little today, but was more focused on just finding certain information, not on whether it is available for males yet or in a testing phase for them.
Gardasil
OMG, that never even occurred to me. I'm over 50 and no cervix but thought about getting it anyway just in case because I wouldn't want to pass it on if I was exposed. No condom lectures please.
CDC & Gardasil.....sm
I was reading the posts below about the vaccine as I had been considering it for my daughter. I looked it up on the CDC website. They deemed it safe and effective. And I do agree with one of the posters, it should be the parent/daughter's choice. Not the state's. It's not 'mandatory' here in Michigan yet but I'm seriously considering it for my daughter.
Here's some info from the site. I did leave out a few small paragraphs so this post wouldn't be excessively long but if you'd like to go to the site here's the address:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaers/gardasil.htm
Reports of Health Concerns Following HPV Vaccination
HPV Vaccine Safety
The safety of the HPV vaccine was studied in 7 clinical trials before it was licensed. There were over 21,000 girls and women ages 9 through 26 in these clinical trials.
As of August 31, 2008, there have been 10,326 VAERS reports of adverse events following Gardasil vaccination in the United States. Of these reports, 94% were reports of events considered to be non-serious, and 6% were reports of events considered to be serious.
Based on all of the information we have today, CDC and FDA have determined that Gardasil is safe to use and effective in preventing 4 types of HPV. As with all approved vaccines, CDC and FDA will continue to closely monitor the safety of Gardasil. Any problems detected with this vaccine will be reported to health officials, healthcare providers, and the public, and needed action will be taken to ensure the public's health and safety.
Non-serious adverse event reports
The vast majority (94%) of the adverse events reports following Gardasil have been non-serious. Reports of non-serious adverse events after Gardasil vaccination have included fainting, pain and swelling at the injection site (the arm), headache, nausea and fever. Fainting is common after injections and vaccinations, especially in adolescents. Falls after fainting may sometimes cause serious injuries, such as head injuries, which can be easily prevented by keeping the vaccinated person seated for up to 15 minutes after vaccination.
Serious adverse event reports
All serious reports (6%) for Gardasil have been carefully analyzed by medical experts. Experts have not found a common medical pattern to the reports of serious adverse events reported for Gardasil that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine. The following is a summary of the serious adverse event reports that were submitted to VAERS between June 8, 2006 and August 31, 2008.
Speaking of Gardasil, I have a
Just curious if anyone here knows why they are not marketing this to males. I have two sons, and I'm not sure whether or not I would/do want them to have this, but I remember reading several months back about Australia providing Gardasil for males also, and my sister made an excellent point about males being more likely to have multiple partners or to not want to use condoms so more likely to spread the virus, even though they cannot get cervical cancer (not saying females don't engage in risky behavior, it just seems to me that oftentimes girls are pressured into sex and all too often they do it because they think there is something special about the relationship, when really it is all about scoring for the guy, but that is just my opinion and I do know there are good guys out there, and my sons are being raised to be a part of that group), so it makes sense to me that males should also be protected from contracting the virus to begin with, and that vaccination of males quite possibly could offer a greater measure of protection overall than vaccinating females. Just wondering what you guys think.
On boys and Gardasil
I have thought the same thing before, about it being only for females, and found that in Australia it is also available for males. IMHO, promiscuity is certainly not exclusive to males, but I believe it is more common (at least it used to be), so seems like they are the ones that are more culpable for the spreading of HPV. It's the whole playboy generation gone wild.
Also, just heard a few days ago about HPV being a cause of oral cancer. Wondered how long it would take them to make the link.
I live in Georgia and had not heard that it is mandatory for females here, but read that most states that are considering mandatory inoculation and have introduced a bill also have an "opt out" clause.
If I had a daughter or daughters, I do not think that I would be rushing out to have them inoculated. 
It's named Gardasil. Unless it is government or state funded.....(sm)
I can not see too many parents jumping at this opportunity. It is a noncovered service by all insurances. It is given in a series of 3 separate injections. The current recommendation is to be given to young girls between the ages of 10 to 12. So if a parent decides to vaccinate her little girl against this, I guess the "bird and the bees talk" will have to be undertaken before the little girl asks "Why I am going to the doctor to get a shot, and what is it for? (given the very natural inquistive nature of children on all subjects.)
No smoking in public places, must wear seat belt in car, must wear bicycle helmet, and some states helmet required when riding motorcycles, restaurants not using transfats in their cooking,.....WHEN WILL ALL THESE NON-SELF INFLICTED RESTRICTIONS STOP????????...IS THIS STILL AMERICA??
I have K girls too!
My K girls are called
Kayce and Kelly. My other name that is K that I love is the old fashioned Katherine. If I had another daughter I would name her Katherine Rose or Katherine Elizabeth.
I have 2 girls though.....- nm
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girls
When your daughters ask, answer them at their level. When they are old enough they must to know how to protect themselves...abstinence or steel belted radial rubbers....(Hey, I'm still trying to develop that!) 
Mean Girls!
Go play elsewhere, Boo! You hate guys!
2 girls, 8 and 4..........sm
Okay-
1. 8 and 4 beautiful girls
2. The 8-year-old does have a cell phone, but let me explain 1st. It is a prepaid cell phone. She is allowed allowed to dial certain numbers from this phone. I got it for her for Christmas for various reasons. My mother in-law can't hear well and LOVES to spend time with the kids. When they are they, I like for her to have a way to get ahold of us (grandma is always on the computer for IM, takes up her phone line). Also, this phone is for EMERGENCIES at school. She is a very good kid and has actually only used her phone once with permission to call my mom.
3. The 4-year-old has a TV. It is actually the 8-year-olds, but it is a "princess" tv, which apparently is not for her anymore. She gave it to my 4-year-old. No computer in room, but they do play on Dad's laptop, always with supervision.
4. No set allowance, but they do have chores and must have room clean before they go to friends' houses. 8-year-old takes care of her dog, 4-year-old takes care of the bird.
To All The Girls!
Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what the hel*l happened. - Cora Harvey Armstrong-
Inside me lives a skinny woman crying to get out. But I can usually shu*t her up with cookies. (Unknown)
The hardest years in life are those between ten and seventy. -Helen Hayes (at 73)-
I refuse to think of them as chin hairs. I think of them as stray eyebrows. - Janette Barber-
Old age ain't no place for sissies . -Bette Davis-
Thirty-five is when you finally get your head together and your body starts falling apart. - Caryn Leschen -
If you can't be a good example -- then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. -Catherine-?
I'm not going to vacuum 'til Sears makes one you can ride on. - Roseanne Barr-
Behind every successful man is a surprised woman. - Maryon Pearson-
Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. -Eleanor Roosevelt-
When life hands you lemons, ask for tequila and salt and call me over!
The girls are 7 and 9
Their friends all have the "real" American Dolls and they have read the books so they want the American Girl Dolls that are in the books from the library and catalogs we get in the mail. They have seen the movies too and loved Kit Kittridge and her friend Ruthie so had their eye on them. Very, very expensive toys but they take good care of their things so I hope I can pick somethings up second-hand.
Thank you for all for all of your help.
All girls are different
My daughter started exactly on her 11th birthday, but her good friend started when she was 10. I don't think it's anything to worry about.
I'd let the girls
People will usually be very sympathetic to the girls' feelings and will try to reassure them that the kitten will have a good home. You know your kids best, of course, but I think it helps when they know that the kittens are being adopted by nice, caring people.
Ballet for little girls?
Has anyone had or have their 3-year-old daughter enrolled in ballet class? I'm thinking of doing this, as my daughter constantly asks for it. Do they get anything out of it? I already have dreams of my prima ballerina daughter going onto bigger things, and she's only 3! I'm taking her to check out a class for free this week and will see how it goes. It's only for once a week and then a show they put on in June. Just wondering if anyone has any experiences to share. Thanks so much!
little girls being used as guineapigs for them sux..
and if you don't get my point(s) - perhaps you weren't around for DES/thalidomide.....
Wetnursed only girls
My wet-nurse babies were all girls - and I would breast-feed both mine and the paid clients at the same time - one on one breast and the other on the other - I was paid more as a wet-nurse than as an MT - "laughed all the way to the bank"
yeah, U might be right but 11 y/o girls...sm
are not VISCIOUS!!! Kim Basinger is viscious! She has pumped the daughter with all kinds of unnecessary garbage, as probably as Alec Baldwin too...both of them are using BAD PARENTING.
There is no such thing as a BAD kid....only bad parenting.......
Gilmore Girls Fan
Well basically Rory had a meltdown because she got turned by the New York Times and Chicago Sun Times said they were not hiring. So she called back to the Providence Newspaper and the position was filled. So Loralei and Rory spent some time together so Rory could get cheered up. So anyway went to karaoke bar and Loralei got a little tipsy and Rory asked her to sing so she did and sang I will always love you and Luke walked in and smiled. He also started wearing the baseball cap that Loralei gave him in one of the earlier seasons for Christmas. The show ended with Logan showing up to ask Loralei's permission to ask Rory to marry him which I hope Rory says NO!! Also Lane and Zack, Zack got a lead guitarist gig and is going to go on tour for 2 months. Hope this helps you get your fix for the week ;-)
would rather raise 5 girls than 1 boy..sm
When boys grow up and become men, their *toys* become MUCH more expensive than girls (think boats, cars, motorcycles, ATVs, planes, trains, etc.).
I had such success with my girl that I want more girls *lol*
I have 2 girls and so far so good - sm
they have bad days sure, but so do boys. The people I know with boys note that their kids are always on the go; boys certainly seem to have a lot more energy than girls. But my girls can get whiny from time to time and drive you nuts too, but a friend of mine has 1 son and he can drive her totally nuts too; granted my can play together, he gets bored from time to time. They are well behaved when we go out 90% of the time, and if they act up we leave plain and simple. So they know to act good or else it is their loss. My 8-y/o (9 in August)is just starting to get some slight body hair, my DH is totally dying at the thought of her "growing up". I'm not too worried about the puberty phase and hormones, I never went nuts or told my parents I hated them or acted out, etc. Yeah, I did some stuff they never knew about and I expect mine will too; but I hope I can rub some common sense off on them and give them the tools they need to make good and imformed decisions as they get older. But considering everything we have been through the last 2+ years with my younger one and her kidney cancer, they have turned out very well and with any luck will continue to do so, I'm going to try my best that they don't turn into spoiled brats. We have recently started an allowance of sorts, they don't get it if they work is not done and they also can buy their own games, toys if they want, but not to whine to us if they use up all their money on 1 thing and then want something else. So they are learning to manage their money. My 7-y/o is much better at this, and my 8-y/o is learning this the hard way, but I expect will master this in time. I am just glad they are older now, so much easier when they can be more independent.
If the girls know about it, then I guess it's okay
If not, then no. I grew up with a girl whose father snooped through everything of hers, her room, her handbag, etc. To this day, she has no use for him. So, there you go. Also, I truly believe there are some things you just don't want to know so why go looking?
Now maybe young girls won't look up to her as a
They do this ALL the time, especially girls (sm)
Mine just finished first grade and this type of thing happens at school on a daily basis on the playground, with no parents to intervene. They just go round and round with it - I'm your friend, I'm not your friend, I'm her friend, etc. You did fine - don't even worry about it - it is perpetual!!
And shocking that these were *girls*...sm
Who did this. Usually it's the male of our species that does things like this. But girls are becoming just as violent and aggressive in our society now too. My God.
I have 2 girls with the same "problem"... sm
I have two daughters who have had the same problem... one is now 13 with a size 10-11 women's shoe (depending on the shoe), but when she was in elementary, she was also heads taller than not only the kids in her grade, but the 2 grades ahead of her too!!! :P My other daughter is 10 and wears a women's size 8-1/2, and I think she might outgrow her sister....
Sounds to me like she is just going to be a tall girl... and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.... I think there are a lot more tall girls now than there used to be... and if they are going to be tall, then they need the feet to support it!! :D
Fortunately, there are tons of good shoes out there now in those sizes... I have no problems finding cute shoes for my girls that are age appropriate and fit properly... we love Payless and Famous Footwear! :D
Good luck to you and your daughter... I am sure she is beautiful... and if she feels at all awkward about her height... you can assure her that the other kids WILL eventually catch up! :D
There were 5 Golden Girls
Sophia, of course!!!.....Wise-crackin' momma...she never missed a beat! It's all in the timing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlvmsDta67k
Have him vent to YOU at the end of the day, not the girls.
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I was divorced when my girls were 3 and 8. My
oldest daughter tells me that all she could remember was me crying and being upset all the time and how much better it was to have a calm household after we separated. They are now 18 and 13 and seem to be doing fine.
girls fighting
sure did. I can tell you how old they are, old enough to know better, Speaks volumes about the parents is all I can say. They should be tried as adults. All are being held without bond until a hearing sometime today. Hope they get what they deserve and the mother of the girl getting beat up needs to be filing civil suits as well.
Obviously, yes this is just you! These girls have been violated. sm
Let me see.......how many teen CHOOSE to have sex with 40 year olds. I am not really meaning by choice but what is ACCEPTED in their culture/religion. None. I live in the dam bible belt and hate it. I am not religious. I am realistic and this whole case scenario was not even realistic. The State of Texas by returning those children made a HUGE mistake. A cult is a cult is a cult but we should protect the children from these types of situation.
Girls weekend? I'm in....
Those are the best. A new place each time. What fun that would be!
Thank you so much. I am definitely doing this for the girls this Xmas now. nm
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Need to know why girls are so mean these days?
My son dated a girl for about a year in middle school. Her mother called the house constantly to let me know how she did not want her daughter dating at all, and wanted them supervised at all times. I consented to this, but my son finally got tired of dating the "not able to date" girl and broke up with her. Since then, it has been 12 months of holy heck! She bad mouths him behind his back at school and even convinced the girl who asked him to Sadie Hawkins to "change her mind." Since when did girls get so ferocious? My son has had to date outside of the high school because she has tarnished his reputation with the other girls in his group. And finally, this was a nonsexual relationship because it was chaparoned 100% of the time, and I don't know where the "Splendor in the Grass" psychosis is coming from! So what is an overprotective mother supposed to do? Especially, since the daughter does not seem to realize this was her own mother's idea to begin with?
I'm 29 and still friends with a lot of girls from HS
and most of us know how to sew, cook, bake, etc. We learned it in Junior High and High School. I have a couple friends who sew their Halloween costumes every year and they're awesome at it!! I know the basic stuff, but prefer to only sew by hand - I hate sewing machines! So, I don't think it's necessarily a generation thing, maybe more of a regional thing. I grew up and still live in the Midwest (just north of KC). They also still teach Home Ec in schools here.
pedophiles can be girls
poor kid, now the whole school knows about it.
I was told by some girls
when I was in grade school that it was a nasty thing to do, that it was supposed to make you like boys and want to kiss them. Mean girls :)
I would never bash the girls.
But she puts herself out there. She craves the limelight, was on 6 major magazine covers the first month (that was on the news last night), and she always seems to get her digs in when she wants. As far as I'm concerned, she's fair game.
I don't have a problem with my girls - sm
having sex before they marry. My mom wanted me to wait of course and when I was 15 or so told me this, I told her it wasn't gonna happen. I did recognize though that I was not ready to have sex until my senior year. All my friends but 1 were 15 when they started having sex. They went through the dramas of thinking they were pregnant, 1 did get pregnant and miscarried, so that kind of put me off too. I was 17 and had graduated HS by the time I became sexually active, and had gone to a clinic and got on the pill in advance as well. The boys at my school tended to lie/brag so I had no great desire to date anyone from my school, the few I had all lied about what we did and did not do, and so I tended to date the boys from the "local" catholic HS, though I was not catholic. --I will be advising my girls to (1) wait until they are in a stable relation and love the guy, (2) get on BCP in advance, (3) have condoms, (4) try to wait until after they get out of HS, if not at least their senior year. I don't think girls are emotionally ready for the responsibility of sex until they are at least 17. Girls equate sex with love and marriage for the most part and can get pretty dumbbb. Most of the guys just want to get laid at 17/18, certainly are not looking at marriage at that point and I don't think should be.
wow had forgotten. About girls and
bikes, we were not allowed to wear pants or shorts to school, hence, we were in shirts, dresses and shoes we called flats. It was the new style, away from saddle oxfords and bobby sox of the 50's, so bikes were out as far as going to school. Besides, I was 2-3 miles from school and rode the bus. Thanks for the memories.
I think the girls are much better than the guys this year...sm
it'll be interesting to see how many guys actually "survive" once they get it down to 12 contestants.
Please take the phones out of the little girls' hands!
Just got thru watching AI and am disappointed YET AGAIN that Sanjaya was not voted out. It's gotta be all those little 13-year-old girls that are voting for him, because there's not one lick of talent there. Granted Stephanie wasn't at her best last night, but she was at least 10 times better than Sanjaya. They all were, for that matter! Oh well, I still don't believe he will make it much longer. At least I hope not.
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