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Pit Bulls, please read this!

Posted By: Amy on 2008-06-18
In Reply to: How do you feel about pit bulls? - MT in Ohio

I love dogs, and I don't really have an opinion about pits, because I never owned one. But, please everyone, read what happened in my town a few days ago. This lady was mauled by hers. Its at Greensburgdailynews.com. I was so scared after reading the details of this, and wonder what made him do this unspeakable thing!!


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Just read where a 42-year-old woman was mauled and killed by her own 2 pit bulls sm

in FL near Jacksonville. Then the dogs turned on her son  who was also bit in the throat but luckily will survive.  Then the dogs turned on the sherrif's dept before they were both shot and killed. THANK GOD. I hate these dogs. I'm sorry. When my brother was walking home from fishing years ago pits attacked him and he's never been the same. Thankfully he survived.  When you go to the FL news website you see tons of pit bull owners sticking up for this breed and saying how they are great dogs. if they are so great why are they banned in multiple counties across the nation? No other type of dog is banned? Neighbors, cousins all say that she was a very loving owner who even slept with the dogs. No neglect, nothing. There were people saying that they leave their pits alone with their young children, as young as 3 years old! How ignorant can you be?


Tons of FL residents are calling of the extinction of this breed and I think that's a great idea.  You cannot trust a pit bull PERIOD.  There is something in their brains that can TICK at any time - this was quoted by a vet who specializes in dog care.  So tell me, why do people take chances with this kind of dog? I'm so angry right now!!!!!!


Let's get to know pit bulls...sm
A lot of people on here I am sure do not own a pit bull. It is hard to know the breed when you aren't around them on a day to day basis. I would just like to share some traits of pit bulls.

Pits are robust. They are active and love to play. They are a smart breed of dog too. I guess you could say they are roughnecks. They will do anything to please their owners and want to be a big ole lap dog. Oh yeah they will and mine does (all 70 pounds) climb up in your lap wanting to be nurtured. LOL.

If I had to describe their personality I would say first of all contrary to all the media hype and hysteria of pits, the dogfighting community (by the way I do not condone dogfighting) did not breed pit bulls to be human aggressive. They wanted a dog they could work with in the fighting arena and not have to worry about these dogs attacking them or other people watching this sport. (which is unscrupulous but just trying to explain this is how they were bred). A lot of pit bulls are so happy on meeting owners friends they don't even know; that some people who get them worry they won't make a good guard dog because some happily greet strangers. The protective instinct a pit has usually won't surface until they are about a year old. I would say they want to be the center of attention. They are very self confident dogs.

I have to say pits can be funny. One reason is pits have some of the most expressive faces.

Sometimes though you may have a perfectly nice pup which will grow up to be mean because he was encouraged to be mean. Raised to be mean.

If pit bulls could choose their owners instead of the other way around then I would say a pit would choose an owner with high spirits and a joy of living. Good owners of pits are able to handle their dogs.

A pits character traits seem to be contradictory in that they are strong but sensitive; rowdy but gentle; outgoing but devoted; easily fired up but highly trainable; mischevious but sensible; energetic yet serene; peaceful but always alert. All these describe the pit bull.
How do you feel about pit bulls?
A year ago we adopted this amazingly sweet puppy from an animal rescue. Was told he was a golden retriever mix, they thought with Aussie. As he grew we just did not see the Aussie and in trying to figure out his breed, through the vet and some research found out is part pit. He is a lovely, sweet, gentle dog.

Here is the problem. Ohio has strict restrictions regarding pits; you have to carry extra liability, fenced yard, keep them in a pen, etc. Any incidents and the dog is destroyed. My dog is never outside unattended. If we aren't with him, he is tied. When loose we are always right there, and he listens well. He loves our cat and has never shown any aggression towards other people or animals. You should see him with kids and babies. Would melt your heart. My neighbor's Sheltie is meaner than my sweet baby, having bitten my kids several times, and they let him roam loose.

Now a representative Yates in Ohio is proposing a bill that all pit bulls or those suspected of being pit bulls be taken and euthanized. If this bill passes, the dog warden would have the right to issue a warrant and come and take your dog if it is suspected of being a pit. You can read about the law here:

http://www.animallawcoalition.com/breed-bans/article/524

Breed specific legislation is so amazingly stupid and closed minded. Any dog is capable of being vicious, it is just a matter of responsible ownership.
Unfortunately, pit bulls, dobermans
and german sheps have bad reputations but you must remember that it is not the dog itself who is bad - the owners make the dog that way. I have always owned dobermans and german sheps who were the sweetest dogs and got along with kids well. I never cropped my dobemans ears or tail and all dogs went to obedience school. It's a shame that these dogs have bad reputations just because of irresponsible owners. I equate it to children...you treat them bad and they will live up to that reputation.
abused pit bulls

Again I refer to the web site I have posted which gives statistics regarding pit bull ownership by criminals.  I don't think it would be a leap of logic to suggest that if they are the #1 most abused dogs, it is because they are the #1 breed of dog owned by criminals.  Of course I am not suggesting that you or blondie are criminals, but I would hope that you could at least admit that a large percentage of pit bulls are owned by those involved in drugs and other crimes, with the purpose of attacking and/or intimidating  others in their criminal circle. 


There are countless other breeds capable of providing the same companionship and loyalty and unconditional love as a pit bull, but without the strength and aggression to kill human beings. 


Did you read on the web site about the 24-year-old woman who was killed in her own bed by her 2 pit bulls she had raised since puppyhood?  Nobody knows what happened, but these were her two babies, and yet then turned on her and killed her.  It is believed that she could have had a seizure, as she was epileptic.  Why would a dog perceive their master lying in bed having a seizure (if indeed that is what happened) as a threat, and why would they kill her?  What set them off?  Ask yourself THAT question. 


If pit bulls were the only loyal dog or the only loving dog available to own, I could maybe understand the risk all you owners are taking.  But that is just not the case.  There are so many other breeds with which you can form that same bond, without the terrible risks.


Pit bulls are very prone to allergies.
From a little research I did, have you tried a high quality lamb kibble yet? That's what most of the sites are recommending for pit bulls. This is one site, but it is down at the bottom of the page.

http://www.mprgroup.net/recommendations2.html

There are other antihistamines that are used for dogs besides Benadryl (never use one with a decongestant, of course). Tavist is one I've used. You may find a 12-hour or 24-hour one more beneficial, but do check with your vet for dosing. We actually got an air cleaner for Misha at one point, though her problems didn't turn out to be allergies.
We have a city ordinance about pit bulls
You have to provide proof of $100,000 insurance to have it; it cannot roam free; and anyone has the right to kill it if they feel they are under attack. If your pit is found running free, it is put down.

Pits do not have to be used for fighting to be aggressive. It is part of their nature - far more aggressive than other dogs.

Yes, I've had plenty of up close and personal experiences with pits that were friendly but that has nothing to do with their underlying aggressive nature.

Dangerous animal.
I had only heard negative about pit bulls
until I heard Rachael Ray talk about hers. With a personality like hers how can she have a bad dog? I do have a new respect for them now, but I agree that I would want to do some research on their "family". I personally prefer tiny little dogs that don't shed. Do pit bulls shed? I posted below that we had a boxer and the shedding was unbelievable but that is not the reason we no longer have her.
If I don't read before I go to sleep I can't fall asleep. I will read sm
until I begin to fall asleep. They say reading relaxes you fully and it works wonders for me.

I used to suffer from insomnia, but not since I've been doing this - about 5 years now.

Plus, I've grown so much and have gained wisdom by doing so. I enjoy Christian books and reading the Bible.
Has anyone read
I read it last week and just wondering if anyone else has.  I thought it jumped around a bit but it was interesting to get to know more about her and I enjoyed hearing about Dr. Phil.  They seem genuine. 
I just read, it's $360................
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read again
You were so quick to respond and try to tell me my daughter WILL have bad behavior that will make her in danger for STDs that you didn't even read, I said he told me the NEXT day.  Just because some people have no control doesn't mean we all don't.  There are still virgins on their wedding day out there....even though that may be a SHOCK.
I have read and re-read --sm
my posts and I seriously wonder how you ever got that I thought surgery was the only way to go when all I said was that some of these reports were *created* by insurance companies who do not want to pay for ANY care concerning carpal tunnel if it was an over use issue. But whatever...that is not what I meant. All I meant was than insurance companies tend to manipulate reports to THEIR benefit, not the patient's. Surgery or no surgery...that is the individual's choice and not my concern. Sorry you did not UNDERSTAND what I was saying.
you believe everything you read????
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I have read all of them...sm
and there was one person who said many times that they believe he did this because he was taught anti-americanisms while he was in school in korea (kindergarten, first, and second grades) or had been taught it by his korean parents. Hate has no nationality. That's all I am trying to say.
Sorry, should read
do that....
I read this in SOD, but (sm)
I thought they only tape about a week ahead, so I thought since it's been a week, he might show up today.  Oh, well, I can wait.
Did not read below but if you have an outside - sm
box on your house, anyone can creep into your yard and plug in a computer and go to town. You can put a lock on it, ours looks like a small gray box attached to the house about 8 x 8 inches or so, open it up and you will see phone jacks, it is how the repairmen check the lines, etc. w/o coming inside. Anyone could just run a long line and sit in a car nearby and do it too, but depending on where you live I think this would be noticed. If it happens consistently still check it out, see if some kid/night owl is hacking in this way by getting up in the hours it happens and see if someone is doing this, if so problem solved (call the police obviously if you see this happening); if this is not the case, then maybe take your phone off the hook at night, I would think then they would not be able to hack into it w/o a dial tone. I hope you get this resolved quickly.
Also read...
that Maine has the highest consumption of Allen's in the 48 contiguous states.

Never heard about Allen's and milk, but I'm from away, too. I learn new things all the time up heyah.

Lobstah, blueberries, pahtatahs and Maine's champagne: Allen's. Gives new meaning to "The Way Life Should Be"!


Can you read
any words like Budweiser or beer? There is certainly nothing wrong with the draft horses working with a cart, and your kids really aren't going to think "beer" when the look at it. If people are going to be over and might think about it, or if it bothers your husband, maybe there is a wood filling product that could fill in any words that refer to beer or pictures of beer bottles, etc. Maybe you could then use stain or a rosemaling (painting technique) design over it, or whatever would complement the style. It sounds really cute to me.
EVERYONE PLEASE READ - SM

Please post work-related topics on the Main board, company inquiries on the Company board.


If your post is of a political nature - post it on the politics boards. 


Goldbird


 


Is it something you would read again?
I was just thinking that I could just go to the library, but sometimes I like to read books over again - after waiting a sufficient amount of time so that I forget all the details! Is the series something you would go back and read again?
Yes, I will probably read them again
Loved the books better than the movies, but the movies were okay.
OK, read it again and again, still don't get it...
Must be me...oh well!
I read that to mean
there should be no drinking age like in Europe. Not that there should be no drinking. My two high school kids went on a school trip to Italy and Greece in April. They said the only teenagers getting obnoxiously drunk were the Americans and the Canadians teens were drinking but not to excess. Also all the Canadian kids smoked cigarettes too.
I just read about that!

All sorts of elements when combined or heated will cause noxious fumes and those symptoms.  Even some welders have to wear respirators and breath canned oxygen when working with some metals.  Can't wait to hear more about it though! 


Er, um, that should have read....

"Having your own teeth SHOULDN'T have to be considered a luxury."  I'm sure you knew what I meant though.  Frosts my tuckas it does.


from what I have read this is an

"emotional affair".  You are better off letting it go and finding a friend that can talk to you without it being a secret. 


Would you read....
your spouses/SO diary? Or do you consider that an invasion of privacy?

What if you suspected your spouse/SO was involved in something (drugs, cheating, theft). Would it make it ok then?
Read into it what you want
To your email- I was not suggesting anything- was telling like I said. End of story.
I have them too - read something
cannot remember now - big help, I know.  Look on the internet.
Before looking at a used car read this...sm
Look at Consumer Reports April issue - it should be available at your local library for free. They have information on cars as to their reliability and value for the past several years, as well as recommended vehicles for various price ranges. Be sure to have an independent mechanic check out the vehicle thoroughly before making a purchase. Pay $10 for the CarFax report to make sure the vehicle hasn't been previously totaled.

Good luck!
Please read this
You need assistance and support.

He is young and does not understand why you are right there but not able to spend time with him. Quality time.

Put him in a mother's day out or a daycare program so you can concentrate on the homeschooling for your others.

Then, when you pick that 3-year-old up, make the next 30 min to an hour quality time for the 2 of you together.

You're pulling a lot of weight here with homeschooling then working at night at home. He probably feels neglected.

If I were you, I would reconsider the homeschooling, put those boys in public or private school, put the 3-year-old in a daycare, work during the day and have a normal, peaceful, quality night with my family.

The kids will grow up but work will always be there.

Do not continue spanking him -- I'm not an anti-spanking person -- but he does not understand and you are hurting him with no outcome other than simple pain and humiliation.


Yes - please do read that! (nm)
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Please read

Last week a little girl in my community was having a snowball fight with her friend.  Her mom was clearing the snow from the driveway.  The little girl slipped and fell and her jacket got caught in the auger of the snowblower.  She was without oxygen for at least 11 minutes (that was response time for emergency workers to make it to her house).  We don't know how long she was trapped before someone called 911, mom was hysterical (obviously) and kept screeming she was dead, she did not at that time try to get the jacket off of her.  The little girl has so far made it but she is still on life support. 


I am asking for you all to do 2 things:


 1.  Keep this little girl and her family in your thoughts and if you are spiritual then please keep her in your prayers and let's hope for a miracle. 


  2.  I am asking that you please don't allow your children to be anywhere near you or anyone when you are snowblowing. Things just happen too quickly. 


I know my kids are always playing outside when we clear the driveway and we "shoot" snow at them from the snowblower but that will not happen again.  This poor mother has to live with what happened for the rest of her life and I can't even imagine the guilt and pain she must feel but she has to keep going because she has 3 other children at home.


I'm sorry to be a downer on Christmas Eve but if a miracle is going to happen it will be today.


Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays to all.


Before you do anything - please read

A few years ago, my husband went absolutely crazy with credit cards.  I have always been very frugal and careful with money so it was pretty devastating to me.  Especially since he kept it a secret until it was way out of control.


You can try the same thing I did to get us out of this mess he created.


Hopefully you have made some effort at payments or at least have kept in touch with your creditors.  If not, it might be a little tougher but you can try.


Call the card companies and ask to speak to an account supervisor.  Don't speak to someone answer the phones.  Trust me. You need to speak with someone who isn't going to waste your time.  Explain the situation and how you are trying to fix it now that you have steady employment. 


Call the one with the highest balance first.   Ask if it is possible for them to lower your APR and consider giving you a much lower FIXED rate for at least up to 1 year if not for the life of the balance if you also include a balance transfer from another account to this one.  If they say no.  Big Deal.  That's all they can do and, you can call back in a week or so and do it again, maybe not get the same person.


Make sure when you call that you write down the date, time, who you speak to, and make notes of every conversation.  Keep these separate for each card. 


If you are granted the request of extended credit for balance transfer and lowered fixed interest, make sure you request a letter stating these changes.  Write that down too and make sure you get that letter.  If you don't get it.. call them back and go back to your notes from the original call so you have all the details and GET THAT LETTER! 


Remember, you do not want to max out any of the cards. If you can do the above with at least two cards and get everything down to 2 cards or less, you will be doing okay and you will see the debt going away a lot faster. 


If you can swing it, make DOUBLE payments on at least one of the cards every month.  I know it sounds painful but, believe me, I did it even when things have been extremely lean around here and I am so glad that I did.  When you get one of those cards paid off, you aren't done yet.  Put the entire payment you were applying to that card to the next card.  Every time you pay something off, you move that payment plus the minimum to the next one and the next one until you are all paid off.


When you get one card paid off, make sure you call the company after the first statement you get that says ZERO balance and cancel that card immediately.


Remember I said my husband's credit card debt was around $28,000.00  - That was just a little over two years ago.  I have one card left and the balance on it is $7000.00.  The minimum payment on this card is $143.00 per month and I have taken all of the previous payments from the cards I have already paid off and am now applying those to this card too, totalling about $600.00 per month so I will have this one paid off in about a year too. 


You can do it.  Don't take no for an answer.  Just be patient, wait a week or so, and call again until you get what you want.  They WANT our money and they want our business.  They WILL give in eventually. 


I also found that a little hard bargaining sometimes worked.  If someone told me they could not grant my request for a lowered fixed interest.  I would tell them that I am prepared to do a balance transfer today and close this account unless they could give me a better deal.  That usually worked the first call. 


Good luck.


Just now getting to read this
I actucally did make the spinach dip LOL!. About 4 minutes before the game was over my mom decided we should clean up the kitchen. I am a giants fan and didn't get to see any of the excitement. Oh well, at least my team won and my DH chile won.
I also read that (sm)
I also read that they are tunnelers, diggers.  I think I'm just telling my sis to give to other girl - by all accounts, she would be a responsible pet owner.  I'd like a mid-size dog for the backyard - what kind of dog would be hearty enough to withstand that environment.  I just cannot have an inside dog, period.  I have a garage that the dog will go into if it is too hot, too cold, rainy, etc., but majority of time would have to be outside in backyard.  Thanks in advance. 
That's a lie, too. Do you believe everything you read?
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Sometimes they want you to read it!
I don't think you did anything wrong. We need to use all means at our disposal to know what's going on in their lives.

During my oldest daughter's senior year, she was having a hard time, but I was not aware of the half of it. She was an honor student, on the debate team, always very responsible. She started getting very irritable and would fly off the handle at everything, but I chalked it up to typical teenage behavior. One weekend she went away for the night and I went into her room to get something and saw her diary right smack in the middle of her desk in plain sight. I read it. I found out she was using alcohol and was depressed to the point of being suicidal. I confronted her about this when she got home and she admitted it was true and willingly accepted getting help with a counselor. She never asked me how I knew. I'm convinced to this day she left the diary there for me to read. She wanted me to know and didn't know how to tell me. We got her some help and now she's off at college, doing much better. Parents, sometimes they WANT you to read it!
read
The Kite Runner and A Thousand Splendid Sun are the best I have ever ever read. You have to stick with them though. Terrific read.
Have you read....sm

the book about Lord John Gray?  I never thought he was that interesting a character to warrant his own book. 


So #7 might not be the last?  That would be wonderful!  I remember I started reading one by the fountain outside the bookstore before I even got it home and another one in the car on the way home from the mall and DH said, Well, guess I won't be seeing you for awhile. 


Yes, I read it, but
I found it very odd and not believable. It sort of disturbed me that

(SPOILER WARNING)

see below only if prepared for a spoiler









the image of Father God was depicted as a woman (after the shack was reached near the end). It seemed too "mother earth," which is a pagan god, for me. I just couldn't shake that idea.
I was so sad when I read about this
I've loved John Travolta since Welcome Back Kotter Days and have always followed his career. I just hope the press leaves he and Kelly Preston alone, although I doubt that's possible.
Ok I read it again....sm
So you are saying the place you resuce dogs FROM are the ones who put them down. You don't actually have them put down.
I hate that folks won't give these dogs a chance. They aren't all bad. I think it is so prejudice and unfair.
And if you read these, you would know
I CAN and DO afford what I buy. I said I pay what due on the card, the interest charges and most months pay more than what is asked. I never said I pay the minimum. I am wondering if anyone reads English around here anymore.
Here is what I read
The 23-year-old, who made it into the Top 36 on last night's show, is rumored to have had a close relationship with a pair of executives from 19 Entertainment, the company that produces Idol. She's also had a record deal.


From what all I have read, on here as well
the medication I was taking previously for the thyroid problem was a big cause of the hair loss. Having said that, I told my doctor I wanted armour thyroid and has it made any difference, no not that I can really see after about 3 years. The dermatologist seemed to think, even with the thyroid problem, that Rogaine would give some hair but I questioned that myself. You ever heard of Topik (spelling)? Have that also.
You need to read it
http://gaylife.about.com/od/samesexmarriage/a/legalgaymarriag.htm

US states that recognize gay marriage:

California

In May of 2008, California's Supreme Court ruled that banning same-sex marriage in the state was discriminatory (read more). However, Proposition 8, a voter initiative was passed, effectively striking down the court ruling. Marriage in California is now defined as between one man and one woman. More on Prop 8.

Connecticut

In a 4 to 3 decision, the Connecticut Supreme Court overturned the state's ban on same-sex marriage, making it the third state to allow legal gay marriage.

New Jersey

New Jersey is the third U.S. state to offer same-sex civil unions behind Vermont and Connecticut. The new same-sex civil unions law, which goes into affect on February 19, 2007, grants gay and lesbian couples the same rights as marriage. *(Although same-sex unions in New Jersey are classified as civil unions, couples are granted the same rights as married heterosexual couples.) read more

New York

Note: By a May 29, 2008 directive, New York only recognizes gay marriages from couples legally married outside of the state. read more

Massachusetts

On May 17, 2004 Massachusetts became the first U.S. state to legalize same-sex marriage. The State of Massachusetts also issues licenses to gay couples from New Mexico and Rhode Island since neither state explicitly prohibits same-sex marriage.

that's how I read it all, too... -nm-
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You really cannot read or you do not
understand what I am writing or you read only what you want to hear.

I worte:

EVEN, EVEN, EVEN, EVEN
HEMINGWAY USED STUPIDER !

EVEN BEING AN AMERICAN AUTHOR, I KNOW THIS, DUMMY! HE USED

'STUPIDER !'

Do you get it finally,

Put your pistol or rifle into the trash, you might shoot somebody, cheese feet, you atarted it.

Never, ever, never will I believe that European blood runs in your veins!

All of a sudden????