Paddling v in school suspension
Posted By: MTmomof3 on 2007-12-07
In Reply to: What would you do? School trouble. - concerned mama MT
I would never sign a paddling allowed slip. If I were not there, what would the person doing the paddling be like? Your daughter says everyone else is because it does not hurt. What if they change the person and it is way too much? Besides, to me 14 years old is too old for a spanking. Taking away school time in the inschool suspension is better I believe. I remember how everyone hated detention in my days, and had to sit there with the troublemakers, and do extra work. It was really embarrassing! I say do what your heart tells you, not what your daughter tells you. You are the parent! If your heart says there is reasonable doubt there is something wrong with paddling go with that IMO. My best to you! 
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Opinions about school suspension?
My son went to his first class this morning and then I met him at the doctor's office for a quick checkup. He told me that a girl in his class had been suspended for something she posted on a blog. She had called one of her teachers a B--ch on a blog. This was done on her home computer. Someone saw it, printed it, and then gave it to the teacher. She was given 5 days home suspension and 5 days inschool suspension. This was definately done from her home computer and not at school because she was complaining about how long a particular homework assignment was taking.
I in no way think this is acceptable behavior, but I am not sure I believe the school was right either. If it were my child then I would certainly want the school to notify me and I would gladly come in and talk with them but then I think I should be the one to hand out the punishment. If this takes place in my home I don't understand why the school should be able to step. Others may disagree and that is why I would like opinions. It may make me feel differently if I heard others views.
Once again, this is not my child, just a classmate of his so I really don't have any stake in it at all. Would just like to know how to handle a situation like this if it ever happened in my family. Thanks.
i think a small in school suspension for a punture wound
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a single paddling at school is different
from a parent keeping a paddle at home during the summer. I'm wondering why you need to go on and on about this.
My past is my past. I believe each parent has the right to raise their children in a manner that suites each family. My hope is that physical punishment is limited, but there are other methods of physical punishment other than paddling which can do worse harm to a child. Even verbal abuse can be worse.
Thank you for your sympathy for the decisions my parents made, but those things are in the past. BTW, I don't let people get close before of emotional manipulations by people in my adult life and not having learned how to stand up for myself when I was a child. Now I have learned those leasons and just use more caution about whom I take into my confidence. I'm not as screwed up as I feel you are trying to intimate :)
Paddling
I most definitely would not sign a permission slip to let somebody hit my child. I don't hit my child and obviously from what you wrote, it is not a very effective punishment. I bet the school could come up with some real killer punishments, like having the kids do clean up around the school grounds or bathrooms! Now that would shut up my little chatty-cathy. Speaking of whom, she told me today she would rather be in school than not be in school, she loves it there, but unfortunately she has no inclination to get a job, I guess she'll be one of those people who go to school as a career!
Paddling
Both of my children, a son (age 32) and a daughter (age 26) went to a Christian academy their whole school career. My daughter going on to a Christian college. They were both paddled in school. I knew this ahead of time when I signed the papers for them to go to school. They were given demerits for things such as lying and cheating, disrespect of a teacher or anyone in authority. They were given a chance to work off demerits (going a week without any, cleaning). When 10 demerits were accrued the principal gave them 3 swats, not a beating. Both of my children are well-rounded and respectful adults. My son owns his own business, is married and has a daughter (who, yes gets a spanking now and then). My daughter is a Christian school teacher. I can count on one hand how many times my children were paddled in school. It deterred them greatly from being rebels. We also spanked them at home when need be. They have both told my husband and myself how grateful they are that they were reared with boundaries. If the administration of the paddling is done without anger, I see nothing wrong with it myself.
Paddling vs ISS
I would pick the in school suspension to get the tardy message across. My son, who is 11 has ADHD and for him to lose recess is the biggest thing that could happen to him for punishment. Perhaps the same principle will work with your daughter. JMO.
On paddling
As a former teacher who had one student paddled by the principal (I had to witness, but only the principal was allowed to paddle), I have to say I would NEVER do it again. It was just dehumanizing to have to stand there and watch the kid get hit. He wasn't being hurt and it was done in the office with just the principal and myself - no public humiliations. But, it was an awful feeling and I promised myself never again. I'm from the generation that was coporally punished, but I don't think it's a good idea. A swat on the bottom for a young children is okay, but paddling....
Your child's friend is correct - it stings. If done correctly, the child is asked to bend over from a standing position and place his hands on his knees. This leaves the buttocks available as an easy target and prevents the child from contracting the buttocks, which takes the sting out. It does not leave bruises if it is done with a thick wooden paddle and usually about 5 swats is it.
I'm sorry to hear this, but as you say, she knew there would be consequences to infractions. Tell her to wear her heaviest jeans and an extra pair of undies.
Call the school. I had a threat like this in my high school and they cancelled school that day.
Thankfully, because the person making the threats was found with material for home made pipe bombs and quit a bit of ammunition and a shotgun. He was arrested and charged. Never allowed back in the school.
I think it would be safer to call the school and get classes cancelled for a day to investigate versus make a scene in the parking lot, especially if the student with the knife is inside with the knife.
Good luck. If nothing happens, pull your child out of school for a week. See what happens. I know that sounds horrible, but small towns is where this happens most often.
SIGN THE NO PADDLING....
figures, it would be Texas paddling the children......no offense to our posters from Texas......I just somehow knew upon reading further down the page that it was going to be TEXAS paddling children still in the 21st Century. Give me a break......
Nobody can whack my kid, except me....*lol*
I would choose the ISS because the paddling is ineffective.
If all the kids are choosing swatting, obviously, they see it as the lesser punishment. Your daughter is very concerned about school, and you described her as a type A personality. So now here's the opportunity to teach her to put things in perspective.
I think ISS is a more appropriate punishment. She was wasting class time by being late to class. I think 5 tardies is substantial. By age 14, she should be able to get herself to class on time and start building up some self-control when it comes to the chit-chat. So, since she wasted time, she should have to pay time back. That comes at the expense of the class she is so concerned about. A lower grade may indeed be the lesser consequence, but is she going to fail out of school and never get into college and end up homeless on the street because of the lower grade in one class at age 14? No. Certainly not!
As a parent, you need to look at things long-term, because kids can't. You also need to steel yourself for the major melt down she will probably have if you don't permit the swatting. This, I think, is the hardest part of the entire learning experience for most moms. Some moms fall all to pieces in these situations. And don't flame me, but from what I've observed, it seems to happen more with mothers and daughters, especially if there's an element of "everyone-else-is-doing-it".
So look down life's road for your daughter, get your nerve together, and tell her the ISS is the better choice. When she falls to pieces, don't play into it. In the end, it will be worth it. The ISS will be the deterrent that will work for your type A daughter in the future. The paddle can never have that sort of influence over her.
I would sign the "no paddling" slip (sm)
I don't punish my children by spanking and they are generally very good kids and do what they are supposed to do. When they do slip up and do something wrong, there are plenty of punishments that don't include hitting them. In general, the children I see whose parents spank them are less well behaved than those who are not spanked. I know someone who punishes her children harshly in my opinion - and they are very good as long as she is around or if they think she can find out what they have done wrong - but if they see a chance to be bad they jump at it. I do think it is an archaic type of punishment and has no place in the world. I say let her do ISS and maybe think of a punishment at home if it keeps happening, like grounding her from a privelege she enjoys or something like that. No hitting!
I agree, paddling is barbaric and, according to your daughter, is ineffective
Even she would rather have it than ISS, thusly restriction of freedom is a greater punishment than pain. I am with you, I don't know why this is still in effect. I also live in the south and have to write a letter every year stating my child is not allowed to be paddled. Believe me he would MUCH rather be paddled than have the Xbox Live and TV taken away from him!!!
Paddling is child abuse. Even Florida doesn't allow it.
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Sounds like my kids...on a school day "we just got home from school!" on a vacation day....sm
But this is our vacation! My husband takes vacation days and leaves town without us...lol! He would never dream of taking a day off to work around the house!
How is the school's fault if Johnny comes to school armed?
And how is the school's fault if off campus people are getting jumped? Everybody wants to blame the schools, but the reason places have gone "zero tolerance" is because every parent whose kid gets popped for an illegal weapon says, "Oh, my little pookie wouldn't do that." Which is exactly what the parents of every perpetrator of school violence has said. At 15, this girl should have been aware that it was verboten and, if they felt that strongly it was necessary, kept it hidden. If she is not capable of thinking that part through, maybe she shouldn't be trusted with pepper spray anyway.
How is this kid in school with chronic infestation? School nurse
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In our school district you can go to any school that you want
but you actually have to pay if you don't live in the District. The private schools here are outrageously priced. You could almost send your child to a community college for the amount they charge.
Job available at school.
Okay, I have been doing this for 8 years. I think I should be more productive than I am for that much experience. I only do between 1200 to 1300 lines a day. I am also just so tired of it. Today, the hospital's network is very very slow and that certainly doesn't help me and I have to make up the time while my kids are at home which is not very easy...KWIM. Again, just tired of it.
There is a job opening available at DD. elemetry school about an elementry teacher aide. It has no specific qualifications just send resume to the superintendent. Well, I looked online and it seems the basic requirements are HS diploma, good understanding of children, good physical condition. I match that. I am a mother of 2, my 5 yo was at the top of her class last year (might be a good qualification for me), I referreed fights etc., supervised dd and her friends on outings, babysat school age kids.
I am just thinking of things that might qualify me for the job. I have kept this job for 8 years, the job before that was 6 years as a nurses aide at another hospital so longevity might be a plus. I have never worked anywhere except a hospital. Well, I did work for an MTSO for a short time, 6 months.
There is a number I could call. It is voice mail. I was going to call and ask exactly what are they looking for so I would know whether or not to bother with it but I am not very good at asking for something I need. Any suggestions, comments. TIA.
School
I would be livid! Go through the principal, (complain loudly) on how embarrassed your daughter was, etc. You'll get results I'm sure. As a last resort, get a doctor's excuse.
School
I am 56 and working on my third degree. I love going to school, and I think the older I get, the more it helps keep me sharp. You might try asking a local college about scolarship opportunities. Some of them have special programs geared for women.
My take is WHY did the school let a
freshman take a senior course? Advanced or not, she probably does not have the background to be able to keep up with it. My daughter is also a freshman and took Algebra II in 8th grade, so they automatically put her in geometry. There is no way I would have let her take a physics class now.
re: school
I am a mom of two teenage boys and I do not think the school should have been the ones to punish the child since it didn't take place at the school from school computers or on school property. It is the parent's responsibility to reprimand the child when something is done by their child in the home. Since the teacher found out about it, that teacher should have called the parent and should have allowed the parent to take the appropriate action. Teachers should not under any circumstances have the authority to reprimand children at home under their parent's care. Only when something like this happens from school, on school property, from a school computer should the teacher have that authority. I used to work in a public school and there are boundaries as to how far teachers should go. The rest is up to parents!
We met at school
Best friend's boyfriend at that time and I absolutely could not stand him!
Then we ended up kind of *stuck* together when we went out with a group of friends. Somehow we just clicked and from that first night, I knew we were going to be together forever! That night while all the other couples were making out like crazy, he and I just sat on a playground slide and talked. Then at the end of the night, he kissed me on the cheek...I knew right then I was hooked. We've been married 21 years, have 3 children, and are expecting our first grandchild in August!!! Aww, whatta love story 
I don't know what everyone's school districts
are like, but I don't have any of these problems. Even at our old house that was in a little more of a low-income area, the school was okay. I noticed a huge difference in the kids and the parents over there though, but I have had no problems with my kids in public school.
They both are testing above average. My daughter is in K and has a sheet she is to work on all month and then turn in, nothing too serious. My son usually does his homework/reading on the bus or spends about 30 minutes at the most completing it when he gets home.
Maybe I am just lucky that they both excel without any pushing from me or the school or I just am in a great school district, although I know we are in the best in Texas. My son does have some anger problems sometimes and a few problems with self-control. We work on this and I think the idea about the martial arts is an excellent one. In fact, we are looking at places to enroll him out here. He is pushing to go back to gymnastics though, so we will see. Honestly, I think any extracurricular activity that is in a nurturing environment is a good idea for every kid.
Public school
I have a granddaughter in the mountains of North Carolina in the fifth grade, who has teachers from you know where.. They should not be in a school setting. One used four letter words and they were not love. They will not go out with the students at recess, so it is a free for all with three to five grades out there all at once. There is bullying and if she says anything, the teacher says she is squealing. I don't think when your knees are bleeding from being knocked down, it is squealing. The third grade was awful. They finally got her moved out of there into another class and the teacher was wonderful. That was about three months before the year was over and that was because they went to the superintendent of schools. Next year was bad and this year is the worse. The teacher tells the student she cannot believe the students are that ignorant, loses papers the students turn in and then gives them a zero. Her mother saved her papers and showed them to the teacher and she had some phony excuse, like she had so many papers to correct. Teachers are supposed to do that. The teacher also has a teacher's aide three times a week and there are only 15 students in the class. She also calls my granddaughter a liar when she says she turned her papers in. She says my granddaughter is to lazy to do the work. My granddaughter loves school, is on the honor roll and would have made the principal's list had the teacher not lost three papers that my granddaughter had turned and gave her the grade she deserved instead of giving her a zero three times. Don't say go to the school and the principal. When they go, the teacher acts so nice and after they leave, she picks on my granddaughter and tells her not to go home and tell her parents things that are not true. The principal does nothing. They have her on a list for a private school and after paying taxes, no one should have to pay to go to a private school, but that is what you have to do. I cannot believe that all the parents do not get together and descend on the principal's office. My granddaughter loves school but not this year because of the teacher. Cannot wait for the year to be over. She has been humiliated in front of her classmates and when a classmate tries to stand up for her and tell the teacher she is not talking or doing any of what the teacher says she is doing, she tells the classmates not to try to take any sides. She is a very loving, sweet, and intelligent girl and what she has to go through every day, makes my skin crawl. When school is out, I am going to write the principal, the teacher and the superintendent of schools and tell them what I think of their teachers. If they did away with tenure, maybe the teachers would take their work more seriously. I never worked for a company that told me if I stayed with them for 10 years, I could not be fired. Ridiculous. The principal does not like to report anything is wrong because in the reports they have to send to the state board of education, the more problems the school has, the less money they get, so they do not report anything is wrong. Report cards were given out Friday and the teacher wrote that she was a very good student, and a pleasure to have her in the class. Why write that when all you do is pick on her. To protect herself when things get tough. Thank you for letting me vent.
church school
Well, I didn't say the ONLY place to find teachers who care is at a church school, and I certainly don't believe that. I do think your chances of finding them in a church school are a whole lot higher, however. I didn't intend to create a religious argument either. I was genuinely interested in why you would not want your children in a church school.
Public School
My husband and I have two special needs children and homeschooling was the best thing we could have ever done for them. My oldest child is learning up a storm and my youngest child is going to start being home-schooled next year. We both work full-time and we still find time to homeschool. It does not take as much time as you would think. There is just you teaching your kids and it goes a lot faster and they learn faster. We thought we could not homeschool, but we were forced to as the public school did nothing for our son and now nothing for our other child. You can do more than you think you can if you have to. Good luck!
Many phases during school
I was gothish for a while myself. Doesn't sound she's been doing it too long if she was asking for different makeup last summer. I dressed goth even longer than I really felt like just because my parents rode my butt about it.
I used to be school room Mom
There is a game where you put items in a paper bag like combs, hair things, rubberbands, paper clips, ect. The child is blindfolded or put the bag of goodies behind the back. Let the child reach into the bag and try to guess what he pulls out without looking. Decorating cupcakes is also fun. Take cupcakes or cookies to school and let the kids be creative. Around Xmas we did gingerbread type houses out of gram crackers and icing. Let them make valentine cards for a parent/friend out of paper and allow them to glue on glitter that sort of thing. Good luck!
Another school rule...
just another reason I am glad I homeschool!
A local school district just informed the students via announcement over the PA system that "Farting" in class can now result in AEP placement! I couldn't believe it so I've questioned some of the kids that go there. All I've questioned say yes, that's what they said.
How stupi*d can you get?
New School Rules
 Not every child does this for attention. If you had read the post -- you do know how to read right? The original poster stated that her child has a medical condition! I think it is wrong to punish a child for doing something that a body does naturally especially if it is due to a medical condition! There are a lot of good teachers out there and a lot of not so good teachers. There are a lot that need to get back to teaching instead of worrying about this sort of thing. If you ignore it -- children will not do it because it did not bring about the attention they sought to get. And if it is due to a medical condition the teacher will have to deal with it! I have GERD and my stomach makes noises all day long. Are you going to come after me too?
New school rules.
My children do not do any of these things to the best of my knowledge. They do not do it at home because they were taught that it is rude, but if it happens to say excuse me which I believe is the polite thing to do. I have never heard of them doing this in school either. However, I do believe that if a child has a medical problem he/she can politely say excuse me and should not be punished. I'm not saying it is proper behavior -- just that if it happens the child can say excuse me. At my daughter's school not all of the teachers allow children to leave the classroom during class to use the bathroom. I don't agree with that either. I guess that makes me a monster.
Anyone who has just finished school
would be more apt to pass the CMT test. However, to say that would eliminate "toilet errors" is not the way I see it. Someone with a lot of years experience in this field is just as good as a CMT if not better. Passing a test and putting initials after your name means nothing when it comes to work ethic, discipline, and experience. I just think if you have 9 years of experience, you are going to be just as attractive as someone with a CMT. It seems to me companies or physicians seek well-rounded MTs that have experience in quite a few specialties as opposed to having CMT after your name. I am not so sure physicians are aware of this testing process, but the Nationals seem to have bitten on it, but I'm not so sure it gets you any more money. I've read posts where it does not gain you anything more than something else to put on the resume. If you want to become more attractive, then I'd say branch out into more specialties or may be even take a business course to expand your knowledge. CMT, in my opinion, is a waste of money especially when you have verbatim accounts and the client is always right, no matter what "the books" or for that matter AAMT has to say about the way it should be done. Just another opinion. 
My Dad was from the old school of thought
He did not believe in spending a lot of money at Christmas. He always said "it is the thought that counts". He would wrap up little gifts for myself, my brothers and our spouses. One year, I got a box of Smith's cough drops and TUMS. My sister-in-law got a bar of soap. My husband got a deck of cards (used from Atlantic City). We joked about how silly this seemed, but when my Dad passed away we sure missed those cough drops, cards, TUMS, etc. I think it was his way of adding a little humor to the holiday and to show us he cared. Usually a gift is given from the heart. There will come a time when the gifts (or gifter) is no longer there to give. That is when you will truly "appreciate" those gifts.
Our school system already has a
dress code in place, no belly shirts, shorts and jeans have to be a certain length, no huge baggy jeans on boys, etc. I know for a fact this is being in enforced in most of the schools becuase not only do I transcribe, I also substitute. My niece's parents were called over shorts that were to short. My son also had to change into his gym shirt because he was wearing a (green) T-shirt from Octoberfest with a beer mug (in all white) on it. That was my fault, I stupidly did not think anything of it but would not have let him wear it had I realized what it was advertising. My kids and so many other do follow the rules. I don't think they should be penalized for the few that don't. We live in a small town so we don't have many of the same problems that bigger cities have. At the first of 3 forums the other night, the auditorium was packed and not a single person spoke in favor of this. I would like to know how this will improve our education system.
Well, as an ex-school bus driver...
Shut Up and Hold On!
A teacher at my son's school...
on the radio! Isn't that AWESOME...especially since teachers are highly underpaid...just wanted to share...
Notify the school
They have police officers in most schools to help deal with problem kids.
were you referring to the guy that's old school
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When is school out in your area? sm
It's Friday here for the Atlanta area. One child is eager for the last day to arrive and the other doesn't want to school to end because she'll miss seeing her friends each day.
School is out on Thursday here nm
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School out on Friday in MS.....wish they
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Call the school to see what help they may be able to
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ONLINE SCHOOL
Here where we live for the past two years they have had online high school. I don't know anyone who goes, but it sounds like a good alternative. When my kids (all grown up now) were in Catholic school I reduced the tuition by working there for free three days a week. Could you work something out?
What are you studying at school? nm
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School-Vacations
We took our vacation during April break. My daughters go back to school two days after Labor Day. We did take a few short trips this summer, though.
Waking Up for School
My daughter is 13 and she started last year getting herself up. She didn't have any problems at all with the exception of sleeping through her alarm which drove me nuts. She woke up 2 hours before the bus even came so she was never late. School starts even earlier for her this year, so we'll see what happens.
I was in elemetary school....
4th grade, I think. Quite honestly, I was suprised to hear because I had thought he was already dead.
School clothes
Since I'm returning to school next week, I went to Kohl's to use a gift certificate I've had since Christmas. My excuse for buying clothes is that I'm going to be a college girl now, and school means clothes shopping, right?
I'm down to a size 10, and many things actually looked nice. Of course I was trying to follow suggestions from "What Not To Wear," which is a show that does give good guidelines. I even found a nice looking pair of jeans. One shirt I put on was adorable ... but more appropriate for a 20-something than a 40-something. It's hard to say exactly why, maybe the puffy sleeves. But I splurged and got 10 pieces, so that was really fun. Poor DH had to break out the charge card, but hey, at least it was Kohl's, where you get a lot for your money. Plus we had the gift card.
I feel better now that I have my shopping fix.
My husband went to school with
Tom Kenney who created Spongebob Square Pants and comedian Bobcat Goldthwait.
high school
You're in the Catskills!.....We raised our boys in the valley, Ravena...next to Coxsackie on the Hudson River...I worked at Albany Med in vasc surg....It's a small world after all.....
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