Our public school wasn't teaching phonics so we've moved....sm
Posted By: Private schooler on 2007-01-06
In Reply to: ESL kids have a label =$$$. When the illiterate kids get a label slapped on them - they will get a - Shaking my head at the system.
our daughter to a private school that does. Before moving her she was barely able to read because the public schools were teaching them to "read" by looking at pictures and if they knew what the picture was they would know what the word was. For the life of me I don't understand how that's supposed to teach a child to read and I told the school board that in life you don't always have pictures for everything! Our daughter's reading improved immensely once we moved her to private school and she can read anything - without pictures. :o)
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I have a granddaughter in the mountains of North Carolina in the fifth grade, who has teachers from you know where.. They should not be in a school setting. One used four letter words and they were not love. They will not go out with the students at recess, so it is a free for all with three to five grades out there all at once. There is bullying and if she says anything, the teacher says she is squealing. I don't think when your knees are bleeding from being knocked down, it is squealing. The third grade was awful. They finally got her moved out of there into another class and the teacher was wonderful. That was about three months before the year was over and that was because they went to the superintendent of schools. Next year was bad and this year is the worse. The teacher tells the student she cannot believe the students are that ignorant, loses papers the students turn in and then gives them a zero. Her mother saved her papers and showed them to the teacher and she had some phony excuse, like she had so many papers to correct. Teachers are supposed to do that. The teacher also has a teacher's aide three times a week and there are only 15 students in the class. She also calls my granddaughter a liar when she says she turned her papers in. She says my granddaughter is to lazy to do the work. My granddaughter loves school, is on the honor roll and would have made the principal's list had the teacher not lost three papers that my granddaughter had turned and gave her the grade she deserved instead of giving her a zero three times. Don't say go to the school and the principal. When they go, the teacher acts so nice and after they leave, she picks on my granddaughter and tells her not to go home and tell her parents things that are not true. The principal does nothing. They have her on a list for a private school and after paying taxes, no one should have to pay to go to a private school, but that is what you have to do. I cannot believe that all the parents do not get together and descend on the principal's office. My granddaughter loves school but not this year because of the teacher. Cannot wait for the year to be over. She has been humiliated in front of her classmates and when a classmate tries to stand up for her and tell the teacher she is not talking or doing any of what the teacher says she is doing, she tells the classmates not to try to take any sides. She is a very loving, sweet, and intelligent girl and what she has to go through every day, makes my skin crawl. When school is out, I am going to write the principal, the teacher and the superintendent of schools and tell them what I think of their teachers. If they did away with tenure, maybe the teachers would take their work more seriously. I never worked for a company that told me if I stayed with them for 10 years, I could not be fired. Ridiculous. The principal does not like to report anything is wrong because in the reports they have to send to the state board of education, the more problems the school has, the less money they get, so they do not report anything is wrong. Report cards were given out Friday and the teacher wrote that she was a very good student, and a pleasure to have her in the class. Why write that when all you do is pick on her. To protect herself when things get tough. Thank you for letting me vent.
Public School
My husband and I have two special needs children and homeschooling was the best thing we could have ever done for them. My oldest child is learning up a storm and my youngest child is going to start being home-schooled next year. We both work full-time and we still find time to homeschool. It does not take as much time as you would think. There is just you teaching your kids and it goes a lot faster and they learn faster. We thought we could not homeschool, but we were forced to as the public school did nothing for our son and now nothing for our other child. You can do more than you think you can if you have to. Good luck!
I need to vent about our public school....sm
My daughter is in the 1st grade. While in kindergarten her teacher became ill and was out of the classroom more than in it for over a month and then ended up having to leave permanently after being out for 2 months. During this time they had parapros in the classroom but all of the kids in her class got behind because of the inconsistent teaching. Finally in March they split the class up and moved the kids into other classrooms, but by the end of the year each of the 15 kids were behind their peers because of the true instruction time they had missed, through no fault of their own.
Now fast forward to 1st grade. Some of the kids had managed to catch up but others haven't, including my daughter. She is now reading on a level 3 and should be on a level 5 or 6. Math-wise she is way behind as well as her reading level is below normal. She is currently in a classroom with 27 kids and has ADD, but it is very easily managed when she is given tasks in small increments and visual cues to work with (i.e. write math problems for her and she can do them but ask her to do them in her head and she struggles).
My husband & I met with the school yesterday because of the concerns about her being behind and in the student support team meeting, consisting of the school system psychologist, special education teacher, her teacher, principal and vice principal, we were told that they don't have the resources to work with her to meet her needs and that by the No Child Left Behind federal laws they don't have to address her needs individually until she is 6 months to a year behind her peers. Why do they WANT kids to get this behind before helping them? We know she is smart - she has an IQ of 92, but she needs to have the distractions caused by the 26 kids in her classroom removed and they won't do anything about it because all other 1st grade classes have 26 kids, and the only one that doesn't have that many is a class full of kids that are learning English. We are working with her at home but it's ridiculous to send her to school 7 hours a day and then tutor her at home because the teacher won't take 2 minutes to explain instructions on a task to her. I told them that I don't want her to have to go to special education in the future because she's behind and that I'd prefer that a way to get her caught up and kept on level with where she would be should be what the goal is - not wait until she's very behind. Their response was "well over the upcoming Holidays we can send home LOTS of things for you to work on with her."
Home schooling isn't a good option for her and her psychologist has agreed that she needs the classroom interaction with other kids. If it weren't for that I'd home school her in a nannosecond, even if that meant giving up everything outside of my regular work day to educate her.
I've talked to a couple of private schools in the area and one school wasn't really any better, has 1 teacher per 20 kids in 1st grade. The other school could take her and has currently 5 kids per teacher for 1st grade with good test results . It's ridiculous that we're being forced to consider paying for private school because the public schools don't care.
I'm sure others have run into these same type of situations. What did you do - continue working with the public schools, turn to home schooling or private school?
Think about who pays for public school.
People in the local district pay school and property taxes, so they pay for their schools. Or, more precisely, they pay for the young people in their district to be educated, since it's not just parents who pay these taxes.
So, no. Students may not freely transfer to other public districts, because their parents or guardians have not paid taxes in other districts.
In our district, we paid the taxes before we had children. We paid the taxes while our children were growing up, even though our children attended Catholic schools and we paid tuition. Now that our children are grown, we continue to pay taxes. I don't mind paying the taxes, because it's part of my civic duty to help to educate ALL the young people in our community.
Update on my public school situation....sm
Last week I posted frustrations with the public school not wanting to do anything about my 1st grader being behind until she is at least 6 months behind, even though right now she is "very behind" her peers due to multiple reasons, including her kindergarten teacher being out a lot of last year.
My husband & I have decided to move her to a private school, the one she went to pre-K at and where there will be a total of 6 kids in her class when she moves there at the beginning of the year. The assistant principal and teacher for her grade will be working with her during the regular school day to catch up where she's behind. Our daughter is very happy that she's switching schools and that 3 of the kids in her class there are kids she went to pre-K with.
We're planning to put our house on the market in the spring (long-term plan) and if we're able to move before the summer is over to an area where the public schools will service her better and we like the area we'll move; otherwise she'll stay at the private school until we try to move in a couple of years after our oldest daughter graduates from high school in 2008.
Thank you everyone for the feedback - it helped us in the decision making process. We're very comfortable with our decision and at a meeting with our daughter's psychologist and her caseworker yesterday they both felt this was the best thing we could do for her both short-term and after our adoption is finalized for her hopefully in January.
Gotta vent about a public school situation....sm
There are 2 kids in my daughter's class of 26 1st graders that can't read, and my daughter can barely read. We have a horrible teacher who basically doesn't care and refuses to spend any individual time with these kids because she tells you she has too many kids to do that, and the principal doesn't care because the kids aren't at least 6 months behind their peers. The school board leaves it up to the individual schools. My husband & I are strongly considering home schooling her since she's learning more at home with us since we started tutoring her than she is at school.
Yet, at this very same school, they have 1 teacher per 7 students for the ESL class of kids that don't know English, and of course I'm willing to bet that these kids are either illegal immigrants or their parents are illegal since they don't know the language at all (in our area of the country).
It's not right that federal laws require we teach these people our language and the schools have to hire teachers to teach them the language, yet our truly American kids, born of American parents, can't get anything but teachers that are overwhelmed with large class sizes.
I homeschool my daughter, but allow her to attend public school for the SM
social aspects. She is way ahead of her grade academically. Eventually, she will either be homeschooled exclusivelly or I will enroll her in a magnet school or alternative school.
We were hoping she would've moved them by now
Because I was in and out of the car last night counting little furry heads but I guess it didn't bother her. Guess I'll go find a box. Thanks!
I've moved approximately 28 times...
the shortest I lived in one place was 19 days - the longest 9 1/2 years (so far). Hated it. Went to 9 different schools and hated that, too. I said I would never do that to my children and, although we had to move several times, they were only in 2 different school districts. You sure do learn to adapt, though!
I wasn't suggesting to use a belt. I've never used one
child abuse. There is a difference. I was abused as a child, and I've been hit with just about anything you can imagine. Hands can hurt just as bad, so don't kid yourself. But, like I said, there is a difference between spanking and beating.
let school deal with it...You've got a bad court
After your experience with this court (which is the same one you'll be in for anything unless dad moves out of jurisdiction), I would just let the school handle it. Depending on the state, if he's kept out of school for so many days, the school should file truency action against him. As far as custody goes, you've probably got a losing battle in that court even if your son says he wants to live with you unless the ex agrees to let him move. Before going in for custody, be sure you've researched PAS (parental alienation syndrome) etc (Leadershipcouncil.org is a good site) and how it's used to discredit mothers in courts. Google the owner of kourts for kids and follow that case (titleman v titleman) which was just scheduled for conference with the US Supreme Court with 2 amicus briefs. Hers is not an unusual case. Google the judge in Wilson Co, TN recently reprimanded for refusing to follow court of appeals mandate to reverse her ruling which put a kid in sole custody of father who DCS and other pros said sexually abused him. Can give you the judge's name and other info if you e-mail me, but moderator won't allow real names on the board. Like I said before...be sure your ducks are in a row before going to court.
Call the school. I had a threat like this in my high school and they cancelled school that day.
Thankfully, because the person making the threats was found with material for home made pipe bombs and quit a bit of ammunition and a shotgun. He was arrested and charged. Never allowed back in the school.
I think it would be safer to call the school and get classes cancelled for a day to investigate versus make a scene in the parking lot, especially if the student with the knife is inside with the knife.
Good luck. If nothing happens, pull your child out of school for a week. See what happens. I know that sounds horrible, but small towns is where this happens most often.
Since when is teaching the
Since hubby is lacking in consideration, empathy and manners towards his wife, he needs to be taught via "do as you wish to be done by". It is too easy for him to discount her feelings until HE feels the same way, then he'll be able to relate and maybe some house rules can be set as to property. Without any understanding of how shocked and hurt his wife feels, he'll just continue to play the nice guy to outsiders with her stuff and discount how it might hurt her. And that is also damaging to the marriage, right?
I'm teaching myself how to
It's so hard to follow a pattern! Some of the things it says I'm not sure what it means. Is there a good website that could explain some of this stuff that you know of? Thanks 
I do and I'm teaching them the morals
Show you the money!
Absolutely. Is teacher teaching sex ed also? nm
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I just KNOW ur all gonna say that teaching doesn't (sm)
pay well, either. It doesn't not in most cases. But with her skills, degree & experience, she quickly got into an unusual teaching circumstance where the pay was triple what most educators make, and later she went on to train and eventually supervise other teachers.
I am teaching an adult class sm
but will use this same lesson when we start back with our weekly youth meetings in the fall. I got the idea for this lesson from Fannie Flagg's book Can't Wait to Get to Heaven. The book is obviously fiction but has a "quirky" (most all the characters in the book are quirky-think Mayberry) person's take on heaven when she dies for just a short time and visits heaven. The book is a wonderfully funny read (just a few swear words but it is very clean). I have read all of her books and thoroughly enjoyed them all. Thank you for responding.
Agree most don't abstain and teaching that only - sm
as a lot of schools do is very narrow-minded and totally unrealistic. I remember in 7th grade health class our teacher teaching us about different forms of birth control. They had it all laid out (no pun intended) on a board with an example of each method so we could actually see a condom, diaphragm, pill, iud, etc. No idea what they do there now, this was back in 77/78--I hope they are not burying their head in the sand and saying, "don't do it", and leaving it at that. Kids need to know that if they "do it" how to prevent becoming fathers/mothers at age 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, etc. Lots of peer pressure and some just have sex because their friends were. My friends were at 14 and generally had unprotected sex, one got pregnant at 15 but miscarried; I waited until I was almost 18 and after I graduated (the boys had big mouths and I did not want a reputation as a sleaze, which is what would have happened where I went to school). When mine start having sex I will put them on BCPs and hope they use condoms too (I will also tell them about my 2 best friends with herpes); and I hope they wait until they are at least 17 and ready for it and the responsibility of being sexually active. Guess I will find out in a few years. --as for the beginning of time, yes, the past is riddled with sex, just look at all the famous paintings, and stories of lovers, etc in England and France in royalty, etc. Goes back quite a ways
No, it is an inferance and any teaching of religion -sm
should be done by the parents. I had my kids in private school up until 2 years ago, took them out for several reasons, one being that many of the teachers were teaching about God and making them pray before every meal (snack and lunch). I was paying $12K a year for my kids not to be in a church school, as this was not a religious school (or at least not supposed to be). I could have sent them to many, many cheaper schools in the area but they were all church affiliated. Some of us don't want our kids to be taught by others. I explain all the different religions to my kids, but don't want some outsider to teach their beliefs to my child. It is not their business to teach religion, if they want to do that then become a minister and run a church.
The homophobics and racists are ALREADY teaching
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Anyone have tips on teaching ESL child to read? (sm)
I have been volunteering at my children's school once a week helping some of the children in my daughter's 2nd grade class practice reading. The children having the greatest problems are the English Second Language children and I have been working more with them, but one child in particular needs help and the teacher and I have decided that I should dedicate more time to him. In his home, his parents speak Spanish (he tells me) and he has two younger siblings. He is a very sweet, very popular child at school. The problem is he doesn't even recognize all the letters in the alphabet yet, even though he has been through kindergarten and first grade (how has he passed?). Trying to teach him the sounds that correspond to the alphabet has also been difficult, because he does not know the names of common objects/animals used to teach children alphabet sounds. For example, we have been making an alphabet book, cutting pictures out of magazines and gluing them to the page with the corresponding letter at the top of the page. He calls all large animals "elephant" and cannot remember from one week to the next that the "D" animal on his page is a "dinosaur" and not an elephant. He confuses letters like "e" with "n" when he is writing the name of the animal (with me dictating the spelling to him). I want to help this child so badly, but I dont' know where to begin.
teaching kids to take responsibility for their actions
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So tired of parent teaching kids it is always other
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Need tips on teaching husband to be frugal..sm
Here is the situation...for quite some time I have been trying to be more frugal and really watch my spending and our money. It seems my husband is doing the total opposite. I asked him while at the store to get some fabric softener for the laundry. He gets an $8.00 bottle and I know this store has Downy for $4.99. To some people $3.00 may not seem like much, but over time it does add up. We do not have the extra money that we used to and he thinks nothing of spending constantly. I have said things to him and he does better for a little while, but then it gets out of control. I had to convince him that he had to get a part-time job because we were sinking fast as he changed jobs and took and major pay cut.
He even asked me today after stating he wanted to go get something from the store why are we broke? I said we are not totally broke, but we do not have the extra money to splurge either. I go days without spending money. Yes I work at home, but I do have to spend money on gas now because our oldest daughter started school this year. Her lunch is $1.75 a day, but most days she wants to take her lunch box. I am getting so frustrated with him. I work two jobs myself as well as take care of the home and our kids (2). I go to the grocery store and buy plenty of food (breakfast and lunch for him to take to work) and try to make sure that we are not going to the store just because, you end up spending way more money that way. On the days he has to go to his part-time job he comes home before going to the part-time job. I do not even see the real reason for coming home before going to the part-time job. He is only home for 15-30 minutes before going to the part-time job. The reason I think it is crazy for him to come home before going to his part-time job is the fact that it is 13 miles out of the way. He is too old to break and too lazy to make the effort to change. He is more about convenience.
Some times I think if we were to split he really would not survive. I handle all the money and frankly after 14 years I have come to the conclusion he has no money sense. He says I nickle and dime him to death, but money in his pocket is money definitely spent. He has to spend it or die and then looks pitiful when he is broke. But guess what, I'm to the point where I do not even care when he does not have money because he should be more sensible. Just as long as he has money for gas to go to work, forget carrying around money. I feel like sometimes I am having to lie about money simply because if he knows it is there he finds a reason to spend it. I told him he will never have anything because he just cannot learn to do without.
I guess I am finished fuming for now.
BTW, there really is more to it than an $8.00 bottle of fabric softener, but over time it just builds....look for a bargain at least sometimes.
The world you're teaching them to live and survive in
seems to be a very cold, harsh one. I wonder if you're as hard on yourself when you make a mistake and "forget" something.
Sounds like my kids...on a school day "we just got home from school!" on a vacation day....sm
But this is our vacation! My husband takes vacation days and leaves town without us...lol! He would never dream of taking a day off to work around the house!
How is the school's fault if Johnny comes to school armed?
And how is the school's fault if off campus people are getting jumped? Everybody wants to blame the schools, but the reason places have gone "zero tolerance" is because every parent whose kid gets popped for an illegal weapon says, "Oh, my little pookie wouldn't do that." Which is exactly what the parents of every perpetrator of school violence has said. At 15, this girl should have been aware that it was verboten and, if they felt that strongly it was necessary, kept it hidden. If she is not capable of thinking that part through, maybe she shouldn't be trusted with pepper spray anyway.
How is this kid in school with chronic infestation? School nurse
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ok, if i ever see one out on its own in public,
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Public
I have to agree with "Baptist here". I think teaching in a public school would really make her shine - and public schools need teachers like her!
When we moved, our dog went through some
anxiety issues and what the vet said was allergies. I think it was more anxiety from the kennel though. He gave us some meds to give him for a week since he was biting his tail. He swings his tail like crazy and would hit it on the walls and break it back open. Least to say, I was cleaning up blood splatter for a long time; no fun!
My mom has a co-worker who also had a dog with the same problem. His vet told him to give him Benadryl. After we ran out of the meds the doctor gave us, we gave our dog Benadryl. He has since adjusted and quit biting his tail. Everything is healed up fine, and we've had no need to give him anymore meds. That is why I think it was more anxiety than allergies.
I would suggest giving her can food for now so she can get some nutrients into her. Make sure she is drinking water because she could get dehydrated easily from vomiting and get her to take some Benadryl. We used the liquid kind with a squirter because it worked faster. Also, see if she will eat some boiled chicken. Try something soft and bland. Good luck! I hope she gets to feeling better soon!
So have you moved away, never to
return to her home, or do you continue to do the "good daughter" thing and go home for visits, or invite her to your home. If so, why?
I ask because I knew somebody whose family and especially mother were absolutely toxic, but she still had her in her life. I believe I would have moved out as soon as feasible and not shared my address or phone number.
I am currently 50 and moved away from
my hometown about 8 years after high school. Just recently joined the Facebook craze and now have reconnected with several.
when we moved into this sm
neighborhood 24 years ago it was a quiet country type neighborhood. Unfortunately, all the "quiet" ones have died, their kids have taken over (their kids are the same age as us) and not kept up the property. Also there are a couple houses two doors down that were always so neat and clean even though they were quite small. The owners sold them to a company who rents them out to illegals who have destroyed the property. Our home and about four more around us are immaculate and we are the ones suffering. Can't afford to move. Houses to expensive in the town I live in.
anyone who has to come to a public board like this
Anyone who has to go on a public board/forum and brag on and boast about ANYTHING- ( about A MAN, no less *L*).....just makes most posters question the credibility of such posters. Anyone who is truly happy....has no need to type all this on a public forum....nor to hang out on one....
the hubby *put you on a pedestal* so now you can reach the keyboard....*lol* -
Now really, all the nasty, antagonistic posters, and in this particular thread, should get off their mommy's computers and go outside and play because from my view, it's a spectacularly gorgeous day outside
*laughs*
PUBLIC PLACES
I love animals; however, I have a life-threatening allergy to dander. Keep your animals home, love them, and enjoy them in YOUR space.
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Public Pet Peeves
I enjoyed reading the post below about the different "social pet peeves". Does anyone else have any that were not mentioned? Let's see, we had pets out in public, children misbehaving in restaurants, and smoking outside public places. Any others?? Let's share - let yourself be heard!
Some of the public really OJ haters, myself
I watched all the trial, every last second of it and came out with the same conclusion the jury reached- NOT guilty. You and others just cannot seem to get over what a jury decides and their word is final.
It might be public knowledge but
how you obtain is another matter. You cannot get someone in a public office (as stated below) to ramble through a persons records. That my dear is against the law and that is what was said and not only that but if the person committed crimes when a child or teenager, those records are sometimes totally off limits and closed to the public. I also have people in law enforcement but if I needed information, would not have them go through the records to get for me and risk losing their livelihood.
Umm, yes, you were. You are on public board
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So what exactly has he done for the public good
in the last 30 years?
When we moved into our house..sm
the people who lived here before us had a rabbit that got out of the hutch and they couldn't get it back in, so it lived in our yard. One nice warm evening I took our house cat out with me while I was outside. I looked away for a minute and in the blink of an eye, the male rabbit was...um...having nonconsensual relations with my poor, terrified female cat. I could not believe my eyes. Needless to say, my cat stayed in the house after that.
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Are you saying you moved to help a friend....sm
and are miserable because of the uncontrolled kids and revolving doors of people coming/going all day? Then get another place to move out and get some peace & quiet.
We just moved into a new house
and the last owners left some of the nails in the wall where they had things hanging and I guess thinking we might want to hang something there as well.
Well, we had this little sign my mom had give me with 2 turtles on it with some saying on it, about family or something. Every time I turned around, my hubby had that thing hanging somewhere. I would take it down and put it away and the next day it would be hanging somewhere else.
I told him to leave the decorating to me, haha! ;)
We just reached our 7th year being married. I hope that in 21 years we have that same relationship. So far, so good.
Cute story, thanks for sharing. :)
I just moved from Atlanta and believe me when I say
most of the people there could care less about your lineage, would just be another good fight for them. Just spoke with my daughter and she told me a coworker of hers yelled at a person going through neighborhood driving too fast and the person got out and came back after her. Scared the girl to death and my daugher said she would not do that again. I have moved recently to a wonderful quiet place but still return to Atlanta to get my housekeeper. Making the news yesterday was young male, got upset with neighbor, got a gun and sprayed the neighbors home hitting a 2-year-old child inside his home, killing it in the mothers arms. Read about the killings here, for nothing. It the part about backbone for me, my kids would find that funny as when they were growing up they used such words about me like aggressive, outspoken, etc - but people say with age comes more wisdom.
When I first moved to the south, I once saw this guy sm
mowing a lawn (up a steep hill) with short shorts, cowboy hat and cowboy boots. Obviously, the boots were slippery so he kept slipping and trying to dig his heels in the grass. I almost crashed from laughing so hard.
When we moved to Kentucky from NY...sm
14 years ago I was filling out that pile of paperwork for my sons and came across the document about paddling....I was appalled.....How archaic! My mother has taught in NY for 42 years and I assure you it's not an acceptable practice! I just wrote "What, are you kidding me?" and got called into the principal's office to explain myself.
Also, when asked about race I checked OTHER and wrote HUMAN....Got called in again to the principal's office.  Cat
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Moved from the burgh...
But still a Steelers fan! I'll be waving my Terrible Towel Sunday night, that's for sure!!!!!
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