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Our great country was based on the separation of

Posted By: church and state. Those WASPS got it right. on 2008-02-19
In Reply to: It is the Holy Bible which includes both new and old Testaments. nm - No Obama Fan

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Difficult based on taste, easy based on ethics.
I was a vegetarian for 10 years, then a vegan for about 5 before meeting my husband, i.e. Mr. Barbecue. He thinks he will die of starvation if he doesn't have some form of animal flesh on his plate at least twice daily. I do eat meat minimally now but not without guilt about the way the animal was raised and slaughtered. I don't believe meat is healthy either, esp. because of the hormones, antibiotics and unnatural feed commercial livestock receives. I have free-range chickens and use their eggs, and I buy raw milk from a local small farmer whose cows graze freely on organic grass. I am working my way back to a meat-free diet in spite of my DH. Can't wait to shed the 20 pounds of animal-fat blubber I've accumulated and get my cholesterol level back down to where it used to be! You just have to give peas a chance.
here's the list...it would be great if this country were ready for a female or black prez...
but it just ain't gonna happen.  Daughter of a politician (so I know how it rolls)    Cat   

 



























































































































































































































































































































































































































































  Name and (party)1 Term State of
birth
Born Died Religion2 Age at
inaug.
Age at
death
1. Washington (F)3 1789–1797   Va. 2/22/1732 12/14/1799 Episcopalian 57 67
2. J. Adams (F) 1797–1801 Mass. 10/30/1735 7/4/1826 Unitarian 61 90
3. Jefferson (DR) 1801–1809 Va. 4/13/1743 7/4/1826 Deist 57 83
4. Madison (DR) 1809–1817 Va. 3/16/1751 6/28/1836 Episcopalian 57 85
5. Monroe (DR) 1817–1825 Va. 4/28/1758 7/4/1831 Episcopalian 58 73
6. J. Q. Adams (DR) 1825–1829 Mass. 7/11/1767 2/23/1848 Unitarian 57 80
7. Jackson (D) 1829–1837 S.C. 3/15/1767 6/8/1845 Presbyterian 61 78
8. Van Buren (D) 1837–1841 N.Y. 12/5/1782 7/24/1862 Reformed Dutch 54 79
9. W. H. Harrison (W)4 1841 Va. 2/9/1773 4/4/1841 Episcopalian 68 68
10. Tyler (W) 1841–1845 Va. 3/29/1790 1/18/1862 Episcopalian 51 71
11. Polk (D) 1845–1849 N.C. 11/2/1795 6/15/1849 Methodist 49 53
12. Taylor (W)4 1849–1850 Va. 11/24/1784 7/9/1850 Episcopalian 64 65
13. Fillmore (W) 1850–1853 N.Y. 1/7/1800 3/8/1874 Unitarian 50 74
14. Pierce (D) 1853–1857 N.H. 11/23/1804 10/8/1869 Episcopalian 48 64
15. Buchanan (D) 1857–1861 Pa. 4/23/1791 6/1/1868 Presbyterian 65 77
16. Lincoln (R)5 1861–1865 Ky. 2/12/1809 4/15/1865 Liberal 52 56
17. A. Johnson (U)6 1865–1869 N.C. 12/29/1808 7/31/1875 (7) 56 66
18. Grant (R) 1869–1877 Ohio 4/27/1822 7/23/1885 Methodist 46 63
19. Hayes (R) 1877–1881 Ohio 10/4/1822 1/17/1893 Methodist 54 70
20. Garfield (R)5 1881 Ohio 11/19/1831 9/19/1881 Disciples of Christ 49 49
21. Arthur (R) 1881–1885 Vt. 10/5/1829 11/18/1886 Episcopalian 50 56
22. Cleveland (D) 1885–1889 N.J. 3/18/1837 6/24/1908 Presbyterian 47 71
23. B. Harrison (R) 1889–1893 Ohio 8/20/1833 3/13/1901 Presbyterian 55 67
24. Cleveland (D)8 1893–1897 N.J. 3/18/1837 6/24/1908 Presbyterian 55 71
25. McKinley (R)5 1897–1901 Ohio 1/29/1843 9/14/1901 Methodist 54 58
26. T. Roosevelt (R) 1901–1909 N.Y. 10/27/1858 1/6/1919 Reformed Dutch 42 60
27. Taft (R) 1909–1913 Ohio 9/15/1857 3/8/1930 Unitarian 51 72
28. Wilson (D) 1913–1921 Va. 12/28/1856 2/3/1924 Presbyterian 56 67
29. Harding (R)4 1921–1923 Ohio 11/2/1865 8/2/1923 Baptist 55 57
30. Coolidge (R) 1923–1929 Vt. 7/4/1872 1/5/1933 Congregationalist 51 60
31. Hoover (R) 1929–1933 Iowa 8/10/1874 10/20/1964 Quaker 54 90
32. F. D. Roosevelt (D)4 1933–1945 N.Y. 1/30/1882 4/12/1945 Episcopalian 51 63
33. Truman (D) 1945–1953 Mo. 5/8/1884 12/26/1972 Baptist 60 88
34. Eisenhower (R) 1953–1961 Tex. 10/14/1890 3/28/1969 Presbyterian 62 78
35. Kennedy (D)5 1961–1963 Mass. 5/29/1917 11/22/1963 Roman Catholic 43 46
36. L. B. Johnson (D) 1963–1969 Tex. 8/27/1908 1/22/1973 Disciples of Christ 55 64
37. Nixon (R)9 1969–1974 Calif. 1/9/1913 4/22/1994 Quaker 56 81
38. Ford (R) 1974–1977 Neb. 7/14/1913 12/26/2006 Episcopalian 61
39. Carter (D) 1977–1981 Ga. 10/1/1924 Southern Baptist 52
40. Reagan (R) 1981–1989 Ill. 2/6/1911 6/5/2004 Disciples of Christ 69 93
41. G.H.W. Bush (R) 1989–1993 Mass. 6/12/1924 Episcopalian 64
42. Clinton (D) 1993–2001 Ark. 8/19/1946 Baptist 46
43. G. W. Bush (R) 2001– Conn. 7/6/46 Methodist 54

re: separation
Yes, it's definitely possible. I, too, am going thru a separation w/my husband. We have 2 children and have made it a priority to make it as easy on them as possible. The first 8 months was difficult, but now it's very amicable. We actually like each other (as friends). Something we hadn't had in a long time. We still butt heads occasionally (same old arguments) which is why we remain apart. If you are both good people underneath and can put your pettiness aside for the sake of the kids (I don't remember if you said you had any), I believe it's doable.
separation anxiety
Cesar Millan has some great books on dog behavior. He has a web site as well. Google canine separation anxiety and you'll get lots of info. Good luck!
the separation of C&S is so hyped
that too many don't even understand what it was INTENDED to mean. That intention is focused around the fact that the government can not tell people who or what to worship. You may get just what you didn't bargain for if a Hindu or Buddhist were president...
But why not a trial separation?
DH says he'll take me back if I don't like being separated. I didn't ask him that - he volunteered that. A sister got divorced and she's glad she did it. She remarried. I just want to date, not get married or live with a man at this point.
For those wondering about separation
I've been married a long time, but for some of the usual reasons, I've wanted to try separating.  It took guts because I've never been on my own, but I found a place to rent (with a roommate) that is reasonable and includes utilities in the price.  I found it through Craig's list, and just kept looking until I found a nice place that's only 2 miles from work.  I went to the bank and got a separate checking account and my own charge card.  DH is amicable (though doesn't want to separate), so I have it easier than most.  But I wanted to let you know I'm excited and happy about this change that I had been too scared to make for so long.  I think everything is going to be okay and the days of wanting to sleep my life away are over.  I hope.  But at least I have hope now. 
info on separation anxiety
from the same site.

http://www.ddfl.org/behavior/sep-anxiety.pdf
well with 50% vote fan-based,
lots can happen. But its still a great show with all the interest angles. I never did think she was the best talent myself. but what stunned me was the 'warmth' between her and her partner. It was really surprising to see such an open demonstration of affection in that setting...
Based on that dreadful hula alone
I thought Sanjaya would get the boot. That was just weird. Too bad we can't vote for the one we want off. Let's get organized here people - is everybody voting? Next week let's dial 'til we drop. Don't give up, don't be disheartened. We can do this.
Should we destroy a whole breed based ...sm
on what a few do wrong? Look at the Dalmation attacks, Alaskan Malamutes, Pomeranians, etc. Should we destroy these breeds too?


Another good faith based one is Thin Within
you can Google Thin Within on the web also. It focuses on how you feel about yourself. After going through it for the first time I was able to separate ME and how I felt about ME from how I felt about the extra pounds I carry.

I have avoided Weigh Down because I have some issues with some beliefs and practices of the founders, but I have heard it is a well designed and good program.
Convict, judge. I don't do that. I don't agree with the lifestyle based on
homosexuality to be a sin.  If you read my posts completely, you would have seen in my example of running into each other in the mall, that I would be respectful to you, but that did not mean that I agreed with your lifestyle.  In the end, God with judge us all.  That's not my job.
ANY relationship based on lies is doomed to failure

AGAIN: Christianity-based threads belong on appropriate board. SM

Keep all Christianity discussions and debates on the Christianity board.  I cannot move them there so they are deleted from other boards if they appear.


Goldbird


it said it was based on which idea Kodak would like better; also, Donald said in boardroom
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Started out shoes, now it is politically based, not on right board.
NM
I never forward things based on threats or promises of luck. (sm)
I forward things that I like the message on sometimes but not because I am told to forward it.
he was good in Lords of Dogtown - story based on true events
nm
OMG - No wonder this country is
  - I'd rather spend my money on my family then on a gas guzzler.
We do need to be in the country
That's exactly what we need (country). We don't mind driving a little further to go to the stores. We are both home during days (yes that could drive one nuts in itself), but DH does computer work so he's home too. The only time we go out is once a weekend to go grocery shopping, so a longer drive is fine for us. We moved to this neighborhood because we used to live out of state (close to Canada border) and wanted to be closer to family, and not in the harsh harsh winters, so did research for about 6 months and chose this area. Because we were out of state we couldn't just come down here everytime there was a house for rent (and we had a certain timeline when the lease ended up there), so only had about 30 days to get it all together between finding a place close enough to our end lease date, pack it all up up there, drive down (a 2 day drive), and get moved in. So, we didn't know the neighborhoods and we said it doesn't matter at that time, just get down here and then have time to look around for a better place. Luckily we're month to month now so can leave at any time. So, now its trying to find a place with some "space". We don't mind the occasional noise, but with so many neighbors around us so close in proximity they are all making noise, and they are all making noise at different times. So its on with the hunt for us.
our country

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24882849/


Another post that was removed mentioned golf course in Florida that was now owned by the Japanese.  Jobs, property, borders, etc.  Why are our leaders allowing this?  I do not believe the average citizen want this.


in the country
at my husband's great uncle's house out in the woods in Ruston, LA - on a Sunday - the preacher came to the house. . we wore jeans and wouldn't allow any family other than the great aunt & uncle and a cousin. . we were strange. . We did let some great aunts bring punch and cake later.
Gone Country
I have been watching Gone Country... I didn't see it at all last season, but one of my friends told me to start watching it this season since Sebastian Bach is on it (he used to be the lead singer of a rock band called Skid Row back in the 80s ~ I had such a huge crush on him back then!! LOL!)

What is up with Sean Young?!?!?!? I really don't know much about her, but is she "cuckoo" like that in real life? Has she ever done any singing before? (it sure doesn't sound like it!)
And this is why our country is going to h@ll in a
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1st of all I said this *country* - not world...sm
Secondly, it's not just the Christians, I beg to differ.......there's plenty of other religious groups in the USA - that this effects.....and who have been oppressed for a couple of centuries as I see it. 
little by little in this country - losing ....nm

There is a country song.. sm
Alissa lies.  About child abuse.  I know this is a little different, but that song makes me so sad.  It is hard for your daughter I'm sure not to think about children that struggle with issues of this sort. 
Uh...this is still a free country and one can--sm
participate if they choose to, negatively or otherwise. I see plenty of other discussions where people have differing opinions about different things, negative, not liking, etc., and no one says any thing to those people...well, sometimes they do, but I thought this was a forum for everybody to participate, negatively or not, not just for those who happen to agree with what is being posted. There were plenty of people complaining about the Anna Nicole Smith threads too, and they participated, but no one told them they were angry or ill.
yep it is a free country and

that is why i can post that i thought * nn * sounded angry, deeply angry.


and it is MY OPINION that you sound very young.  maybe in 10 or 20 years, you will get the gist of what is going on here.


give it a rest.  i know i am.


Unless you are a citizen, this is not your country
How can you insist, demand, that we set up somewhere for you to wash your feet for a prayer session? There is supposed to be separation of church and state and I most definitely have heard of places having to get rid of things such as the 10 commandments and so forth. I am against the war, am against total wasting of our money (same thing happened with contributions to Katrina victims) but England right now having a horrible problem with the immigrants having taken over their every day lives. Miami is not like it used to be with the influx of Cubans. It is not the Miami that I visited in years past. If Americans demanded foot baths be installed somewhere for a prayer session, the ACLC would be all down our throats.
Living in the country is so...
enjoyable.  We have two neighbors and that is about it.  One neighbor is across the pond from us and the other neighbor lives back behind a wooded area and we can't hardly see their place unless it is in the winter.  I don't think I'd like living right next door to someone else. 
I tell you what they do in this part of the country
I never liked stuffing - but here they make stuffing and make it like little balls (like a good handful) and bake it on a cookie sheet. 
What is happening to this country
How in the world did they come to the conclusion that has to do with drugs. It could mean a hundred things. When DH and I are arguing he does that all the time (like the poster below said) it means time out. The kids in the pics look like a couple of nice teenagers (except of course not one of the best poses for a prom photo.
Our beloved country.
See on msnbe.msn opening page right now, under business section, foreigners overseas taking advantage of our slumping housing sales.  I think of all of the wonderful men and women who died  for our country to give us our blessings in this country, and I feel they are being so betrayed by what is going on in our country. 
This country is definitely in trouble....

IMHO, many people have blinders on. Still buy like crazy, charge everything, drive brand new cars with big monthly payments, have all the toys, new everything and then only pay minimums on their CC payments or miss a house payment or two and think everyone lives that way. People need to learn how to save money, plain and simple. DH and I both work, make just over six figures, have only the house payment, cars paid for (not new ones but don't care to impress anyone with our cars), no CC debt, gas prices aren't hurting us too much and we can still take nice vacations 2-3 times a year. Most people these days live like there is no tomorrow, don't bother to save for retirement, try to keep up with the Jones' and are miserable. We make a nice living, live well within our means and are content. Do we want new things...sure, but we pay cash for what we want. Nothing irks me more than when someone charged to the hilt on credit cards complains that the debt collectors are calling them because they are behind in payments. Most people whould be able to ride out a recession if they had some money in the bank.  


Before you move to the country
Try animal control. They will usually issue a warning first time second time they will issue a citation..If you have kids the country is a really boring place to grow up...I was out in the country until my divorce and moved into a great neighborhood with lots of kids...Best thing I ever did for my kids and myself..
It disturbs me that we are going to help a country
that is poisoning our country with lead paint on toys, just to mention ONE way.  I I  don't understand whyt we help out people/countries that try to harm us. 
Is anyone watching Gone Country?

What do your think about Sean Young?


 


mee too, wish they were illegal in this country
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Has our country taken a turn for the ...

Our once great country, I afraid, has just turned a corner for the worse. I have watched as the mentality of our country has gone from setting your mind to something, working hard, and you can accomplish it to giving up, sitting back, and letting somebody else take care of them.


I was brought up, as many were, with a good work ethic that was instilled in us by our parents. With the idea that if you want something you had to work for it, and by working for something you learned quickly the difference between wants and needs.


There were always incentives for a person to strive to better themselves. Whether it were financial incentives, or just the pride you gained in knowing that you did something yourself, it didn’t matter.


I wasn’t long ago that people had that “small town” mentality, and everybody knew their neighbors. And those neighbors helped each other out, in any situation, it was just what you did. And people were so proud that some times help would have to be disguised, you remember the lines like..”Mom made more stew than we could eat, could you help us out by taking it so that it doesn’t go to waste?”


But, somewhere along the line those thoughts of some (I guess now the majority) have changed. Some how, if somebody works hard to gain something others feel entitled to have the same things, even if they didn’t have to go through the struggle to earn it. Some how, things like big screen TVs, cell phones, and shiny new cars have wrongly slipped from the “wants” list to the “needs” list.


Somewhere the incentives to strive for betterment have been replaced by incentives to be lazy. The easy way out and hand outs are now the norm. The feeling of pride about being self sufficient is supposed to be replaced by guilt for having more than others.


The “small town” mentality is gone and our neighbors have turned into strangers. People no longer help out their neighbors or even themselves, instead they sit and wait for the government to come solve things for them. And when help does come they complain that the help wasn’t good enough or didn’t come fast enough, the pride is gone.


Well, I refuse to think that way, my small town roots and work ethic runs to deep. I refuse to let somebody take care of me while I am willing and able to take care of myself. I will continue to meet and know my neighbors and help them out when they need it. I will continue to work hard to take care of my needs and by doing so, my wants will take care of themselves. I will continue to volunteer for things and give to charities of my choice regardless of what the government wants to take away from me and give to the undeserving.


My hope is to change the thinking back to the way it was. The sun will rise again tomorrow, I’ll keep doing what I do, and this country can be great again….at least in my little corner of it…


Go get him, that's what I would do. I live in the country and
get strays all the time, have had up to 11 at one time outside, left by people who moved or just dropped off. My DH always says no to more but he is a big softie as soon as he seems them. Provide this sweetie a home. Good luck.
I'd have to go with "No Country for Old Men" - I just

didn't get it.


and let's not forget - in THIS country your kids will

I meant country...excuse me!
And I am sorry, but it is Christians (meaning belivers in Christ, ok...)losing our freedom of speech.  Just think about it, anything and everything is ok to be discussed on TV, in books, on the radio (you know what I'm talkin' bout too), but mention the word *God* *Jesus* or even anything pertaining to the church, and whoa...no no...don't do that, it might offend someone.  Well I'm sorry, but sexual exploitation of women and children happens to offend ME...yet it's all over TV...homosexuality is a sin, yet it's all over TV... I won't go on because I think you're intelligent enough to see my point.  Anyhow, MERRY CHRISTMAS...HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS!!!
I hitchhiked cross country twice when...

I was a teenager....and survived!


Any country music fans out there?
I have just recently started listening to country (I love just about all kinds of music except rap) and I totally love the song and video from Gretchen Wilson "Come to Bed" almost makes me want to pick a fight with my hubby.
lol, sounds like the name of some third world country to me.
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In some areas of the country it isn't really inappropriate sm
Not to be disagreeable but where I live a simple kiss on the cheek is pretty normal when meeting someone, etc.  So perhaps it is a more common thing where that person is from and therefore there may have been no ulterior motive behind it.  I recently went to my brother's wedding and quickly realized that not everyone wanted a kiss on the cheek when I gave them their lei at the luau party - though it is custom here. 
This is not a specific section of the country
Born in the south, raised and living in the south and always told and taught how to send thank you notes, tried to teach my children, 1 does and 1 does not but they are grown now. I went to wedding in California, no thank you note per se but tacky printed generic note which I wish now I had not taken the time to shop for a gift I thought very nice. Happens everywhere....
country MT..my 6 y/o sleeps in my bed everynight..sm
She had so much anxiety about sleeping by herself. She used to get so upset over everything..so I let her in my bed. That was about 3 1/2 years ago and I dont regret it. I have two older kids and they have always been in and out of my bed, but never in it every night like she does. I dont care what anyone says about it. I think it is healthier for her to be comforted and have a feeling of being loved and safe than to make her cry and be upset every night.

As for you little one with so much anxiety over you dying I feel so sorry for you. It is such a painful thing to deal with when there is so much anxiety over something we have no control over. My mom passed away last year and my kids were extremely close to her. We still have a lot of issues with the kids and their anxieties over her dying so unexpectantly. Just give him lots and lots of love and answer questions honestly. Let him snuggle and feel your love every day and remind him that even if you would die you would still be his "angel" to love. My kids always talk to grandma and say she is their angel. When the sun shines and they feel the warmth they say it is grandmas love.

Take Care and hope everything works out.