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On the subject of fault. Dont read if easily

Posted By: offended, please. nm on 2008-04-11
In Reply to: And it's not their fault you offend them. - Moderator

If my opinion upsets someone, I think it is their "fault" (for lack of a better word) if they get upset.  Everyone owns their own feelings and should not let someone else's opinion have so much power over how they feel.  As far as lemmings and masses, those are generalities, a comment on society as a whole, not aimed at any one person.


I am sorry if my opinions have so much influence over others. I will try to keep my thoughts in check.




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    these days on tattoos. It has been a fad for quite a while, but most people I've talked to regret doing it. People change with maturity, so it is not wise to put a permanent mark on the skin that will be an embarrassment less than 5 years later. It's a complete waste of money and an unnecessary health risk. Just Google worst celebrity tattoos and show him how silly they look down the road. If you help them see the future, most kids can understand consequences of their actions and will be glad you took the time to teach them some wisdom IMO.
    Sounds like you could easily turn this into a meal
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    What makes some people forgive so easily and others not so easy? sm

    The reason I ask is that I am in a very unique situation. I have a family member (an in law) who basically hates me. She and I have sort of been at it on and off for 8 years. She's a very mean person, very judgmental, hates everybody. I mean, seriously. It's bad. She rubbed off on me for too long. We were friends! I used to point and make fun at others ONLY when around her. When I finally caught on that she was not a very good influence and that I was so easily pursuaded by her meanness towards other people (backstabbing, etc), I began to keep my distance. And she caught on. Now she hates me. For no reason, really, other than I don't call her anymore, don't hang out with her anymore. And here lately she has been doing evil things to me like returning cards I've sent to her family with a giant "return to sender" on the envelope, getting her sister against me (I mean, come on, how old are we??), etc. She will be at my mother in law's for the holidays with her kids and I am cringing inside.  In fact, just today, I received a nasty email from her when I got home saying some pretty mean things, calling me crazy, insane, etc. which I know I'm not, but it hurts anyways to hear stuff like that.  She has a very hard time forgiving people, I've seen it over and over in her life, and now it has come to the fact that I need her to forgive me in order for ME to have peace in my life. It's just the kind of person that I am. I am totally willing to look past all the mean things she's done and said the past year and try to move forward positively!


    So, fast forward. I've written her an email basically BEGGING for her forgiveness and saying I'm sorry for whatever I've done to hurt you (I know I've hurt her by not wanting to be around her,etc), and told her it wasn't good for us to be on the outs like this.  I am pretty sensitive (if you can't tell already), and I really, really, really wish she could get past all of this and just forgive. We all need a little forgiveness, don't we?? What do you think? Why is it that some are so easily forgiven and others will go to their grave filled with HATE? I don't understand it one bit.


     


    I'm not saying I'm any better than she is. I know I'm not.  I just don't have an evil vein in my body to not forgive people and I HATE when others talk about others behind their backs. It's mean. I grew up around that stuff and once I reached adulthood and realized that I didn't need to talk about others to make myself feel better, I hated being around it. Give me some advice.  Should I send the letter?


    Please help me. Would you send it? She obviously needs love. What would you do? Would you just tell her to forget it and move on or would you be like her and hate back?


    Call the corporate office, can be found easily enough on internet....
    I've done it a few times with McDonalds. Got tired of getting halfway home and realizing something I paid for was missing, again!
    No I dont and I dont take any medication for anything. nm
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    He is 100% at fault.
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    I truly hope you get something resolved. Good luck to you.
    It's not the dog's fault
    Why would you call them stupid dogs and then say you can't shoot them?? and you have a dog of your own. It's the pet owner's responsibility. The dog's don't bark just to annoy the neighbors. The owners should take responsibility or they shouldn't have dogs.
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    No....it isn't the dog's fault.

    The OP was complaining of just barking.  I was complaining about a lot more than just barking.  My mother is 64 y/o, widowed, and suffers from MS.  She has a right to be able to walk in her yard without worrying about the neighbor's dog knocking her over, barking at her, tearing out her trash, or getting under her feet and making her fall. 


    I understand that it isn't the dog's fault but no matter how many times you call the Sherriff or the humane society.....nothing is done.  They still have the dogs and my mom still deals with it everyday.  She has no rights whatsoever to keep her yard animal free and she has to live like this. 


    I personally feel that anyone should have a right to shoot any stray animal on their property.  If pet owners aren't going to be responsible enough to keep their pets in their own yard, they have to live with the idea of someone shooting their pet.  I don't like other dogs on my property.  I don't allow my dog to go off of our property. 


    Not your fault sm
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    it's not all his fault

    My dad is a teacher in California (I live in a different state) and has had 10 days per school year cut from his paycheck. The vacations are also longer during the school year as well. I don't understand the whole new office furniture purchase from your superintendent, but it sounds like your school system is just like everywhere else. Government-run systems/jobs have all had to make cuts, and schools seem to be the first that get screwed. All of the changes he has made probably stem from mandatory cuts he has to make to save money. Each school is going to be different how they implement them.


    My husband's parents work for a government college and they are having the same problem with money. The college laid off so many people to save money. It is sad, but nothing can be done when it comes to mandatory cut backs. Hopefully things will change in the future, but it sounds like they are floundering to find ways to save money anyway the can.


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    You are saying to make up when you think not your fault?
    I have done this before, a relative got very angry with me years ago and I told them if I could visit again I would never say anything to upset them again- if they said the sky was striped I would say, yes it was- that is what I had to do if I wanted to see them so I have done that- now having said that- he is upset about the fact he thinks I took his money and told me so. Why try to make amends when it would never be right in his eyes- he still feels slighted. An apology from me would not change his perspective on my having
    so called cheated him out of what was due him.
    Except FL has no fault divorce. Everything is 50/50.
    nnnnnnnnnnnnnn
    And it's not their fault you offend them.
    But--this is another reason. It was very nicely explained, and yet the arguing continues. Sometimes you just need to state your opinion and move on. There are some you just won't win. Like this one--or the puppy mill one. Somtimes people just don't want to hear it, let alone hear it over and over again. Just step away from the situation.
    how did i even imply it was his fault?
    I was asking if it is something that can be worked out. Obviously this is my only long-term relationship. And what gave you the impression I "go out all the time". First of all I don't drink, at all. Secondly I NEVER went out until 2 years ago because he was in the Marines and I just stayed home all the time waiting for him and being worried... but you sound a lot like my mom, like if I am not married and popping out babies by the time I'm 30, I'm a total failure.


    but that is not you daughters fault sm
    that you had such a horrible life. I feel for you. I too had a pretty rough childhood but no way would I even think to make one of my kids pay for that. Sounds like you need some serious counseling or you are going to be one miserable lonely old lady.
    I meant before now- you sound like it's my fault
    I mean I have never gotten in trouble before this. Yes - I work for an extremely strict company - if you are late more than 5 minutes twice in a 30 day period, it counts as an absence. I missed one day last week for my daughter having strep; prior to that I had missed one day in 7 months due to child illness. My employer says you have to have someone else to watch your child when they are sick
    And I bet the divorces weren't her fault, either.
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    It is not my fault others get offended at my opinions
    x
    maybe it's the post office fault.
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    No, NOTHING makes it the woman's fault, BUT....
    I don't think the woman has anything to do with whether a man cheats or not. Period. End of Story. Spare me the long sob story about how the woman *never put out* for her man.

    That said...

    If a person who has been cheated on just sits and lets nature take its course, almost always they are vindicated.

    If Princess Diana had just let Charles be Charles, he would have become and STAYED the laughingstock of Britain. And she would have become Queen. (Okay, maybe not Queen, but she was then and is still an icon in Britain, and he would have never recovered from his cheating on her).

    In looking at the John Edwards scandal - it's very similar. Elizabeth never did anything wrong. If she continues on that path until her death, ultimately John Edwards will probably NEVER recover politically speaking.

    When you do the RIGHT thing instead of the convenient thing, you will ultimately be vindicated.
    I also disagree that it is never the woman's fault.
    I do not know what your circumstances are, but there are a lot of wives out there whose fault it is that their husbands leave them.

    There is something I would never, never do and this is cheating with a married man.
    This is downright despicable, ruining marriages.
    I say it's her mother's fault. Supposedly she was stage mom from
    !!!!
    It was the OWNERS' fault for allowing the dog to run loose.
    The fact that you didn't see him and ran over him was an accident. That accident wouldn't have occurred if those people had been responsible dog owners and kept him in a securely fenced yard.
    Nothing makes it the woman's fault - not even if she also cheats. sm
    Two wrongs don't make a right. Men need to act more like humans and less like animals, and keep themselves under control.
    It's not the worker's fault. She has to follow the rules or be fired. sm
    I've taken a lot of flack from a lot of customers, and the run-of-the-mill retail worker really has no freedom to make decisions. When the worker is caught between a yelling customer and a yelling manager, who do you think she'll listen to?
    No subject
    I grew up in CT. Would give anything to live in New England, but husband won't. Then again I would not put him close to my family (its bad enough they drive me insane HA HA). Now that I think of it, not sure I'd want to live that close either. HA HA I've gotten use to our privacy. (we won't even live close to his family so at least its fair) :-) We've lived in Germany, CO, CA, AZ, CA (again), VA, CA (again) WA, CA (again), NV, WA (again), and now OR. We've lived enough placed to know what we like and what we don't (and made some mistakes of moving back to places that once we got there said...why in the world did we move to this state again). Sounds like we would love AK, but after some more serious discussions doubt we will get to move there. Hubby still trying to find a job so going to look locally. I just saw different job opportunities in AK and wondered what it would be like to live there. I will always be a New Englander at heart, but you just gotta live where there is work. Thanks.
    Because that it just the subject line..sm
    you are supposed to use the message space for the entire message, not the subject line. duh.
    I don't mean to change the subject but
    this statement "raised in all female household" - I am curious. My daughter's husband was raised by women and he's just the nicest devoted husband, really unique, and I wonder if there is something to this - Anybody else have a similar experience?
    I definitely agree with you on this subject.
    Everyone should worry about themselves. I am agnostic myself, not atheist, but I am not militant about it and don't try to push my beliefs on others. But knocking this person's parenting is really unfair and not very *Christian-like* according to Christian beliefs.

    It is my opinion that *nonbelievers* are just scientific minded and want/need proof, that's all. They are usually people who don't blindly follow or conform but want to know why. I also believe that an atheist can be a terrific parent.
    I can talk on this subject because
    I can almost guarantee that if your child asks you this, when they are out on their own they would never return the same. I know, have an older daughter who asked me about my earlier life. She is now in her 30s and if I kiddingly ask I get the reply none of your business and it is not really and have told her as long as she is safe, no problem here. Your past is yours, no one elses.
    This is a sensitive subject, but is anyone else SM

    Tired of the commercials advertising products for feminine odor?  I just heard this again several times yesterday and it is degrading.  If anyone has an odor bad enough that you are offending others there is a simple remedy . . it's called soap and water.  Is it me, or is that disrespectful to women?  Why don't we discuss some of the more delicate matters regarding men on TV?  I could name a few. 


    But we need to subject our children

    Is it fair for me (with no education in teaching) to try to teach my child, die, and then expect my child to do well as an adult in this society?  No way.  Let them live and learn as I did.  Homeschooling, in my opinion (again my opinion) is like the MA and PA days where there wasn't enough room at the schools or there weren't enough educated teachers coming in on a wagon to teach the children on the prairie. 


    I'm glad my kids go to public school.  The high school I attended had a lot of kids that came from private school because the high school was vo-tech, so the parents felt the kids were getting better than public school.  Those kids that came from the private schools knew more about sex and drugs than I did growing up in the public school system.  I guess their parents had the money, and I guess the kids felt penned up, I don't really know the cause.


    Never would I expect my children to go out and get a job or even survive one minute in college without an education from a school system.  I don't care to hear about home school curriculums either because I'm focused more on the socialization.  I don't want my children to be introverts or homebodies!  Let them see the world for themselves and for what it truly is, a melting pot, something to be experienced, a beautiful thing, and to avoid negativity at all costs, but to experience some just to learn from it.  JMO.  P.S.:  Thanks for listening.....


    since this is such a delicate subject...
    have you seen or talked to a counselor or had your son in any? I haven't kept up on your posts so maybe I missed something, but I'm not sure anyone's opinion is qualified to handle something so important as this...

    Good luck to you
    what is the subject matter?
    nm
    That's such a touchy subject...

    I have a 10-year-old son who is overweight, and for me personally, I would want to know if he is eating 4-6 donuts such as this girl is doing.  I just think your approach would make or break it all.  If someone were to approach me, I wouldn't mind at all, but I don't get really too offended easily especially if I know it is the truth.  Chances are, this girl's mom knows she has an eating problem.  I'm sure she's not just overeating on Sunday's.  But then again, maybe it runs in the family and if you did say something, it may not go well.  In my family, only my son is overweight, not my other kids nor my husband or I.  The doctors have told me it is just genetic.  But for me personally, I would want to know because it is not healthy and we try and work with our son about being healthy and making right choices for himself. 


    Here's a though, how about letting the person in charge on Sunday be aware and then he/she can remind the kids to only take 1 donut each, that way everyone can get enjoy them. 


    On the panhandling subject...
    I used to live in SLC. Apparently you have to buy a license to panhandle up there. Funny thing is, some of those guys make more money doing that than I do.
    Well, DH and I debated with her on this subject
    I told her I wished she had not even brought it up, but we told her we appreciated the fact that she felt comfortable enough to tell us. We also figured that she could go do it without telling us and I would rather her feel like she could tell us than lie to us and do it anyway.

    Then we realized in a few months she will be gone to college and we will not know what she is doing.

    This was just one thing I didn't want to have to say yes to, so I made DH make the decision! LOL! I told him it would be on him if anything happened. (I've always been the "yes" or "no" parent all these years, so I figured it was only fair he have to do it at least once while she was still living at home!)

    She is spending the night and it is only 3 people going to be there and we told her under no circumstances is she to leave in her car or with anyone else that is driving. (Her big thing about people drinking is that she thinks they should never drive). If things get out of hand, she is to call us and we will come pick her up.

    Now, I am torn between hoping she gets sick so she will never want to do it again (although that never stopped me back in the day) or hoping she is sensible enough to only have a drink or 2 and stop.

    It just isn't fun being a parent. I still don't like that she is doing this. I don't like it at all!

    on subject of divorce reasons
    Mine:
    1. He cheated on me with EVERYBODY he could.
    2. He was a control freak, didnt work, took all my money and hit me.

    His:
    1. she cheated on him.
    2. She was a control freak and all she wanted him for was his money. When he changed from a high paying, high stress job to a lower pay but much lower stress job, she left.

    Is it any wonder that either one of us wants anything to do with anybody else?
    I saw all the posts on this subject yesterday too, --sm
    and usually if the moderator moves a thread, there is an arrow showing that, or sometimes an explanation as to why something was eliminated. Sometimes if someone mentions a specific name or area, a thread might be removed, but she usually explains that. Maybe something went wrong with the system. Perhaps she will explain later when she sees this. I don't think it was placed on the *wrong board*. But congrats to the new parents!!!