No one is judging a dog. Dogs
Posted By: truffle on 2008-11-09
In Reply to: Know the facts... - Forever Pitbull Owner
don't know right from wrong. They are animals. The point that I continue to make is that IT DOES NOT MATTER what this elderly man did. The pets in the home attacked and killed him. No PET should ever be capable by temperament of attacking and killing a human being.
For the sake of your argument, if the man reached out with a cane and rapped the dog on the head, in your mind would that justify the reactions of the dog to kill the person who struck him? How many other dog breeds would run behind the couch or under a table when confronted with abusive treatment? How many other dog breeds would growl? Bark? Nip? Bite? No one is saying that an animal should not defend itself, but a dog whose defense is to kill a human is a dog that should NOT be kept as a pet. A dog is an animal and does not think like a human, as you have pointed out, and that is precisely the thing that makes them unpredictable and makes the pitbull breed attacked unprovoked. It is all in what the dog perceives as a threat, which a human cannot always predict, or more importantly, cannot always prevent.
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You ARE judging -- judging businesses open and
It IS judgementalism at it's finest.
You think because someone doesn't agree with YOUR views, that THEY should have to work on that day, simply because of views.
You think that because someone might celebrate Christmas on Dec 20 due to family/schedule issues, that THEY shouldn't be able to live a normal life on Dec 25.
Very, very judgemental and extremely limited in perspective.
I understand you are Pentecostal. I'm more than familiar with that denomination. It has nothing to do with any of the topics you state. It just makes a bigger emphasis in my mind of WHY you think like you do. Sad.
I hope you have a good day. I'm thankful I am not like you. You don't make me want to be in any way. How's that for being an example and drawing others to Him? You're repelling, not drawing.
Go have yourself a great religious day.
Shelties or Australian Sheep Dogs are great family dogs. rm
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These dogs appear to be puppy mill producing dogs.
The two females, which I thought were older, appear to be just worn out/depleted. Their teeth are those of a 3-5 year old dog. So, I do believe they have had litters each cycle and are suffering from malnourishment.
Funny thing, yesterday, they were covered with mud (it rained and they were digging) and this morning, I look out and see they have all been grooming as they are clean.
Called Love of Animals who has committed to spaying/neutering the animals, giving them their shots, flea repellant and showing them at Pets Mart on Sundays. In a few months, there will be a regional dog show at the local college where on average 150 dogs are adopted out and she asked that I keep them until then.
Which I will...And a girl saw the ad for the Lost Pets and is looking for a replacement for her Shi Tzu she lost a year ago and will come by tomorrow morning.
Where did you get that I was judging anyone?
I'm not judging anyone, ks. And, I don't get what you're talking about regarding "spewing the word from your mouth and acting differently behind closed doors". I try to be humble in my faith. As I said, I may not agree with a person's lifestyle, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be respectful to him/her. God put us on this Earth to do HIS work or genuinely didn't you know that? This thread was about what stores wouldn't you shop at and I replied that I wouldn't shop at WalMart because they sell gay/lesbian material. That is because I do not agree with it because I believe the scripture referring to homosexuality as being sinful, ungodly, and an abomination.
I don't know where you got that I was judging YOU or your son in law. sm
I never said anything disparaging about you. The worst I said about him was that it sounded like he was underprepared (you didn't give a big history on his work experience other than that he was new to cold call sales, which is what I commented on).
I certainly didn't judge him for taking a job, only questioned if it was the right job for him.
And where did you get that I thought it was "nonsense?" I never said that, never implied that.
I DID give you suggestions that YOU could do to ease your mind...you really can find a LOT of your needed info simply by Googling. That wasn't a demeaning response, it was truthful...I checked it out before I suggested it.
I kicked NO ONE when they were down.
I am not judging, if I were then I
would talk to her about her excessive alcohol use, her marijuana use and on and so forth. I am not past talking with, but frankly I have felt she is very judgemental, critical of me and just does not even take the time to know me as I am. I do not ever get in her life, stay on 1 side of town and she on the other. Just like she said walking on egg shells, that has been my take on her for a very long time.
Here we go again. Judge not, I'm not judging. I am following
that is how I can say what a store should and shouldn't sell!
No, you won't change me otherwise. I'm not judging
the Bible. God will judge in the end. I simply don't shop at stores that sell gay and lesbian items.
I agree...too much judging others. nm
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Are you judging her mother by what
she told you or personal experience?
and not judging you at all-happy that you (sm)
have not experienced the horrible guilt that many of us have. Some do and some do not, but it is a risk...you don't know for sure how you will feel until later. It is sort of a knee-jerk reaction oftentimes, to try to quickly "solve the problem" but many people have terrible guilt years later and have to get help with it.
Judging people I don't know:
If you're one of the sickos who defend their right to abuse children because it's their religion, you deserve to be judged along with them.
I'm not judging you but with there being so many women who do (sm)
have terrible guilt and remorse after ABs it would seem that there should be more involved to get one, at least a visit with an unbiased psychiatrist who tells the full story of how one might feel later. I had someone say to me, "Now this is your decision right? Later on you don't get to blame anyone else, not your boyfriend, not your friends, no one else." I said I wouldn't and that was the extent of my counseling. This was in the mid-90s. I think you should have to go apply for one, be given a counseling session, wait a week or two, and see if that is still what you want to do. I think women should be given extensive information on all of their options and possible emotional repercussions so that at least when they make their own personal "choice" at least it is a well-informed choice. For me it is not so much guilt toward God as it is to the child I allowed to be killed. It is not a religious thing at all.
I have my dogs on it, and yes all my past dogs but 2 have died -sm
from cancer. But I had 2 schipperkes on Frontline for years and one died at 13 from cancer, the other at 16 just from old age/kidney failure. My last husky was 8 when she died from cancer, but I have had one die at 2 (unknown causes), and another at 9.5 from liver cancer (she actually made a nice recovery but succumbed about 6 months later), but huskies don't tend to live past 10 unfortunately. I have had purebreeds and mutts, and with or w/o Frontline/Advantage they have all died from cancer. I suppose it is possible that it causes it, but if you live long enough, cancer will most likely be your cause of death, anything and everything causes cancer anymore. I hate fleas and ticks and we have lots of them, so the dogs get the Frontline except in the cold winter months. They are 6 and 3 and both doing quite well.
And dogs don't bite right? Love my dogs but I
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my dogs are basically indoor dogs sm
but have a doggie door to go in and out as they please. Sometimes our Jack Russell gets excited and barks inside the house. My DH grabs is belt and snaps it and the loud noise shuts her up right away. I am not trying to frighten our dog, but many times just saying knock it off doesn't work.
Tyne Daily, Judging Amy, NM
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Stop judging people who you do not know
Not judging honey, believe me, I speak...
my mind and you could tell if I was judging others. This place is teeming with unhappy, whining, complaining women (just look at some of the posts all over this site) and that is not a judgement, it is fact. As far as being in the same situation as others one day, if you read any of my posts you would see that I have been there, done that and changed my ways. Should something happen, we have learned to save money, have enough put away to last a year and not have to touch any retirement, etc. That took a lot of determination and hard work on our part and we are proud of it.
I am get a good chuckle out of some women who accuse other women of "living off their husbands" and "where would you be without his money". I can make my own money, but my husband doesn't tell me that i need to work and doesn't tell me how much I need to make. He is the provider in this family and has never once asked me to work harder, earn more or get a different job. Remember when men used to do that and our mother's stayed home and raised the family and didn't work? Are you jealous of your girl friends or family members that don't have to work or who live debt free or do you hold that judgement for those you do not know?
Enough of this for now. I'm sure someone will have something to bash me about later on...go ahead, it just shows how very immature some women can be.
Yeah, that would make me ill. I am not judging you by any means sm
as to the whys of your son living with them. If you were married to a husband like mine and then had 3 boys totally dedicated to sports - when it comes to that I have NO SAY whatsoever about my 3 sons playing ball. Their dad takes care of all of that. I don't think I'd let them move away and I don't my husband would either, BUT, if they did and my ex sister in law was the way you describe yours to be, then I'd be very upset too!
Right now I don't get along with my in laws. At all. Never have. And to imagine that one of my boys living with them. Ugh. Makes me ill just thinking about that.
What the he## is her problem with you any way? I mean, seriously? If she had any sense whatsoever she would smile, be sweet, and only say nice things about you ALWAYS.
Listen, hon. Trust me on this one. Your son will grow up and see her true colors and resent her if she continues to spew hate or not like you, etc. You are his mom. I know my boys would be the same if anyone disrespected me like that. I mean, their own dad can't even look at me wrong before they are all over him like you know what.
Let the natural thing just happen. Do the right thing. Say the right thing. Be there for him, always. Ask about his aunt. Be a huge part of his life even if he isn't there with you. Call often. And if she continues to be a twit, then you will be the winner in the end, even though right now it may not feel like it.
Good luck.
Someone who is atheist clearly is not going to Heaven. No judging, just stating fact as
per the Holy Bible.
I wasn't judging, just stating the facts ma'am....
these were things that were mentioned in the trial. And the baby and the methadone thing was accused by Larry B, I think he would know if she was taking methadone, and she was on something, we all know that.
Well I guess it is a pretty sensational story judging by the media coverage!
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I get frustrated by the double standard they use when judging people. They let certain people go sa
What do you think about the voting process?
I agree with you - not judging either but agree (nm)
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Where dogs came from (sm)
A newly discovered chapter in the Book of Genesis has provided the answer to 'Where do pets come from?'
Adam and Eve said, 'Lord, when we were in the garden, you walked with us every day. Now we do not see you any more. We are lonesome here, and it is difficult for us to remember how much you love us.'
And God said, I will create a companion for you that will be with you and who will be a reflection of my love for you, so that you will love me even when you cannot see me. Regardless of how selfish or childish or unlovable you may be, this new companion will accept you as you are and will love you as I do, in spite of yourselves.'
And God created a new animal to be a companion for Adam and Eve.
And it was a good animal.
And God was pleased.
And the new animal was pleased to be with Adam and Eve and he wagged his tail.
And Adam said, 'Lord, I have already named all the animals in the Kingdom and I cannot think of a name for this new animal.'
And God said, ' I have created this new animal to be a reflection of my love for you, his name will be a reflection of my own name, and you will call him DOG.'
And Dog lived with Adam and Eve and was a companion to them and loved them.
And they were comforted.
And God was pleased.
And Dog was content and wagged his tail.
After a while, it came to pass that an angel came to the Lord and said, 'Lord, Adam and Eve have become filled with pride. They strut and preen like peacocks and they believe they are worthy of adoration. Dog has indeed taught them that they are loved, but perhaps too well.'
And God said, I will create for them a companion who will be with them and who will see them as they are. The companion will remind them of their limitations, so they will know that they are not always worthy of adoration.'
And God created CAT to be a companion to Adam and Eve.
And Cat would not obey them. And when Adam and Eve gazed into Cat's eyes, they were reminded that they were not the supreme beings.
And Adam and Eve learned humility.
And they were greatly improved.
And God was pleased
And Dog was happy.
And Cat didn't give a hoot one way or the other.
dogs
I love that - this year, my niece's huge yellow Lab grabbed a pie off the dessert table. Needless to say, nephew put the dog outside. We all thought it was funny - niece did not!
dogs
What breed are your dogs? The darker one looks like she has Boxer markings, but I have never seen one like the blond. Reminds me of a G.S. Beautiful dogs, no matter what they are!!
Oh and he's not alone. He has 2 other dogs with him.
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Outside dogs (sm)
Outside we have a Boykin Spaniel (you can get these sometimes from rescue centers, Google if interested) and we have a mixed breed - Basenji and probably lab. Both have plenty of fur but not too much and love to be outdoors.
hot dogs....
kosher and nonkosher to cover all your bases.
I only like ketchup but you know there are those that want everything, so ketchup, mustard, mayo(yuck), relish, onions, chili?
hot dogs and brats...cover all your bases.....same on toppings...EVERYTHING!
If you have the space, fries are great when it's cooler weather.
Can/bottled drinks probably the best best. Less space, more drink for the buck anyway.
dogs
Uggg. I feel for you. At least the dog isn't being abused but I understand your frustration.
BTW you get the little icon thingies when you click "post reply to this message". They should be right underneath the message box and just click on the ones you want. Don't click "quick reply" because then they don't pop up. 
dogs
as a child, we had a rat terrior, irish setter and german shepherd - and daddy always had beagles.
as an adult, we have had a german shepherd, beagle, toy fox terrior, cocker spaniel, collie, border collie and right now we have a corgi and a chocolate lab.
Dogs
Since I was a little kid, Dad has always had dogs. I remember we had a black lab, a brittney spaniel, a toy poodle (wretched dog), a German short-hair, and 2 mutts. He and Mom now have another black lab. My sheltie, Casey, just died this summer. Now I have 4 cats. The last one (a calico kitten) got dropped off (we live on a farm and it happens all the time!) the week after my dog died and just suckered me in.
I have two dogs
They love me and are all over me every chance they get. Most dogs love me. The dog next door will look at my kitchen window and if she sees me, she will wag her tail and bark until I come out and pet her.
I am horribly afraid of German Shepherds. I got bit near my eye by one. My BIL has 2 of these dogs and they can tell I don't like them. But they just avoid me.
Now my friend who lives about a mile from me has a small dog and that dog hates me with a passion. It gets so upset and snarly when it even hears my van. I refuse to go in her house until that thing is caged. Am I bad person? I don't think so. Funny thing, I drive past her house to pick my girls up from school. They have a couch in front of a big window and every day when it is time for me to go by, that dog gets up on the couch and when I drive by it freaks.
I have 3 dogs
My newest addition is a dauchshound puppy. I got her back in March (or maybe April - can't remember). Anyway, she is now 9 months old and all puppy. She is relentless with my other 2 dogs, especially my little Maltese who is 7 years old. Just runs around her, nipping at her tail, and racing away. I know she's playing but it's NOT a game to my little white furball. And she doesn't quit! So, when you have had this situation, how do you stop it? How do I get this puppy to understand that she needs to stop this behavior? Other then this annoying habit of hers, she's a wonderful, funny, loving little girl!
Dogs!!
do you have a picture of yours? My dogs are the sweetest things, but they are DEFINITELY barkers if they hear anything outside and I agree with you, people can break in, but if they hear those dogs barkin, they are PROBABLY gonna turn right around and go somewhere else!!!
dogs
Boston terriors are great with kids and a great family dog.
Are the dogs okay if they don't see each other?
Years ago when I lived in Detroit and we had chain link fences, there was a nylon type of material that you could get to weave in and out of the chain links in the fence. Sort of like the stuff that the old style folding outdoor chairs were made of. It gave you privacy in terms of not being able to see on the other side, but you could still hear everything. Would the dogs still go nuts if they could hear and smell each other, but not see each other?
The nylon in the fence is old school and not necessarily pretty, but it might work.
I have 2 dogs........... sm
and my Chow, Butch, will not let "Old Yeller" eat. He chases him off. Butch is an older dog and rather grumpy to Old Yeller, so my son has started bringing Old Yeller inside the utility room so he can get a decent meal. I don't keep food out at all times because my dogs are outside dogs, but if you have a self-feeder or keep food out all the time, sounds like the distance between the bowls is a good idea.
We also take the dogs with us sometimes - sm
depends on where we are going and what we are doing. We do a lot of camping and boating, so this one place we go to and rent a cabin allows animals so we do take them there sometimes. Usually it is just easier to leave them home, plus downsized our truck from a Suburban to a Trailblazer so unless we put everything in the boat, there is no room in the car/truck for the dogs, lab and extra-large husky. (or we only take the lab, but I feel bad when we do that!)
I am doing all I can for the dogs....sm
I am using my gas to go back and forth to their house to make sure the dogs are eating and get to go out, etc. I love dogs but I have 2 inside to care for, 1 out in a fenced in yard that I out of the goodness of my heart because I am a succer for dogs rescued and I put her in my back fenced in yard and take care of her. Then I have my husbands beagles I take care of while he is gone out of town working. I have approximately 13 dogs to care for on a daily basis. Only 3 of them are mine. I think I am a pretty nice person to take the responsibility of cleaning the beagles pens everyday and feeding them and giving them attention. FIve of them belong to my husband and five belong to a friend of his. I do all this for all these dogs because I love them. With caring for so many dogs already I think it is kind of rude of them to even ask me to take there 2 dogs too and take care of them. When they asked I did show reluctance and said I dont know. Then finally I said I guess. I think they should board their dogs at the vets or pay a sitter, etc. I have 2 dogs in the house. I have never tried to pawn my dogs off on other people. If I knew someone genuinely did not mind it would be different but they had to see the hesitancy I had to begin with. They do this all the time. They are frequently asking for somone to keep their dogs. Well about a year ago I told them I would no longer be able to keep their 2 dogs because I have 2 in the house and 2 more is too many inside. So then they started getting her brother and his wife to keep them. I guess they got tired of it and stopped keeping them cause then they started boarding them. Well that costs money so they are back to asking me. Well I will not keep them anymore for 2 reasons.
1. The dogs are not well behaved dogs. They act like wild animals in the house.
2. One of them is not properly house trained and will pee in the floor or poop.
3. I have 2 dogs already and 4 in the house is too much.
As for my dog not being neutered he is in his own house. I didn't ask them to bring their dogs over here and my husband specifically asked is she in heat. My female is spayed. If they are going to be leaving the dog frequently they need to have her spayed so they don't have this problem. As for me I will not keep them anymore even if she was spayed simply because the dogs are like wild animals.
Great dogs...sm
The little weiners are one of the best dogs. Great personalities. The only thing negative is when puppies they chew on everything! We had just remodeling our house when we got a puppy. I lost a new comforter and a specially made quilt in one room, two new pillows in another and some chewed up table legs and rocker. She also ate her bed! They do outgrow this though. Unfortunately, we lost "Shelly" to a hit and run while my son was in the hospital. I do plan to get another one some day.
No hot dogs either! Nope.
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All about dogs and aspirin
Aspirin has the same problems in dogs that it has in people. It can cause gastrointestinal upsets and ulcers if the GI signs are ignored. It can cause renal failure if overdosed. It causes an increase in clotting time. This usually isn't a serious side effect but it does occur. Despite these shortcomings it has a lot of beneficial effects and it is inexpensive. The currently recommended dosage of aspirin varies a little from publication to publication but it is between 5 and 15mg/lb every 12 hours. Since there is a range I usually pick the middle of it and go for about 10mg/lb every 12 hours. This works well and seems to be pretty safe. That works out to an aspirin tablet per 32 pounds of body weight twice a day. I have to admit that I rarely advise giving more than 2 aspirin twice a day despite the fact that some big dogs could obviously take more based on the per pound calculation.
Seizures in dogs. sm
It really varies. My chihuahua sustained a brain injury at the age of 4 (baseball); and she started having seizures. They were terrible. They only lasted about 5 minutes but felt like hours. I finally got a vet to put her on phenobarbital and she never had another seizure the rest of her life. The vet said some dogs respond, others do not. As mentioned, she had brain injury and vet was skeptical, but it worked for us. Good luck.
I don't believe this. Dogs are not *wild*--sm
animals with denning instincts. they were meant to be every bit as free as humans were. As far as I am concerned, ALL animals, not just dogs, are *furry people* with a whole lot more loyalty, compassion, understanding of nature, and caring than a lot of people I know. They should be treated with respect, just as much as humans, because they were *created* just as much as humans were. If a human cannot or will not take the time to train the animal where it wants it to *do his business*, then that human should not have an animal as a pet at all. You would not treat your child this way, so why treat a pet this way? JMO.
dogs are better than people in most
instances. I have 3 and would never cage or kennel them. They are like my children and live where ever they choose to in the house. They have a specific place in the back yard for their "business" and have not had any accidents in the house because my husband and I have trained them properly. They are my best friends.
RATHER SHOP WITH DOGS
I am one of those st**pid women with little dogs and they are better company than someone like you, I am sure. They go where we go including nice hotels where they are welcome. No one has ever complained. They are clean and groomed, don't bark, and are gentle and loving. Stores cater to me because I spend money there. Are you? Or, are you just walking around looking? Maybe they don't cater to you because of your not so nice comments to their good customers.
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I would rather shop with dogs
than screaming kids!
dogs are domesticated
mammals. snakes are reptiles. I would not include the last in your series of comparing.
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