Nice to see a fellow athiest aboard!
Posted By: QAgirl on 2007-07-28
In Reply to: I don't believe in heaven either... - Hayseed
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Question for athiest
I am someone who has gone from being a Christian to not knowing what I believe anymore. I am searching for answers. Anytime that fact comes up ... people from both sides tell me I will not find any concrete answer. Maybe so, but there is an ultimate truth, and it would seem odd to me if I did not feel the need to give it my best shot to find it. - The most frustrating part is that most information seems to be coming from one slant or another. I just want neutral information. (I don't understand why everybody would not feel the same way, but I guess everyone coming from whatever angle feels that way about their own thinking as well).
To my point ... as an athiest, do you know of any good sources of information (especially neutral) that will help me in my quest?
I recently was givin some tapes by Kent Hovind (trying to prove the Bible is correct). I have not watched much (and I find him quite annoying), but he did bring a couple things to my attention I was not aware of (such as some planets spin the reverse direction); probably ignorant on my part, but I was not aware of that and will look into it further.
Anyway, I am so curious to find sound reasoning for both sides, but with the endless info out there, it's hard to sort it out.
Any tips?
Thanks. :)
athiest soldier doesn't believe in God but
I commend for this man for standing up for what he doesn't believe in!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352703,00.html
JUNCTION CITY, Kan. — Like hundreds of young men joining the Army in recent years, Jeremy Hall professes a desire to serve his country while it fights terrorism.
But the short and soft-spoken specialist is at the center of a legal controversy. He has filed a lawsuit alleging he's been harassed and his constitutional rights have been violated because he doesn't believe in God. The suit names Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
"I'm not in it for cash," Hall said. "I want no one else to go what I went through."
Known as "the atheist guy," Hall has been called immoral, a devil worshipper and — just as severe to some soldiers — gay, none of which, he says, is true. Hall even drove fellow soldiers to church in Iraq and paused while they prayed before meals.
"I see a name and rank and United States flag on their shoulder. That's what I believe everyone else should see," he said.
Hall, 23, was raised in a Protestant family in North Carolina and dropped out of school before earning his GED. It wasn't until after he joined the Army that he began questioning religion, eventually deciding he couldn't follow any faith.
But he feared how that would look to other soldiers.
"I was ashamed to say that I was an atheist," Hall said.
It eventually came out in Iraq in 2007, when he was in a firefight. Hall was a gunner on a Humvee, which took several bullets in its protective shield. Afterward, his commander asked whether he believed in God, Hall said.
"I said, 'No, but I believe in Plexiglas,"' Hall said. "I've never believed I was going to a happy place. You get one life. When I die, I'm worm food."
The issue came to a head when, according to Hall, a superior officer, Maj. Freddy J. Welborn, threatened to bring charges against him for trying to hold a meeting of atheists in Iraq. Welborn has denied Hall's allegations.
Hall said he had had enough but feared he wouldn't get support from Welborn's superiors. He turned to Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
Weinstein is the foundation's president and a U.S. Air Force Academy graduate. He had previously sued the Air Force for acts he said illegally imposed Christianity on students at the academy, though that case was dismissed. He calls Hall a hero.
"The average American doesn't have enough intestinal fortitude to tell someone to shut up if they are talking in a movie theater," Weinstein said. "You know how hard it is to take on your chain of command? This isn't the shift manager at KFC."
Hall was in Qatar when the lawsuit was filed on Sept. 18 in federal court in Kansas City, Kan. Other soldiers learned of it and he feared for his own safety. Once, Hall said, a group of soldiers followed him, harassing him, but no one did anything to make it stop.
The Army told him it couldn't protect him and sent him back to Fort Riley. He resumed duties with a military police battalion. He believes his promotion to sergeant has been blocked because of his lawsuit, but he is a team leader responsible for two junior enlisted soldiers.
No one with Fort Riley, the Army or Defense Department would comment about Hall or the lawsuit. Each issued statements saying that discrimination will not be tolerated regardless of race, religion or gender.
"The Department respects (and supports by its policy) the rights of others to their own religious beliefs, including the right to hold no beliefs," said Eileen Lainez, a spokeswoman for the Department of Defense.
All three organizations said existing systems help soldiers "address and resolve any perceived unfair treatment."
Lt. Col. David Shurtleff, a Fort Riley chaplain, declined to discuss Hall's case but said chaplains accommodate all faiths as best they can. In most cases, religious issues can be worked out without jeopardizing military operations.
"When you're in Afghanistan and an IED blows up a Humvee, they aren't asking about a wounded soldier's faith," Shurtleff said.
Hall said he enjoys being a team leader but has been told that having faith would make him a better leader.
"I will take care of my soldiers. Nowhere does it say I have to pray with my soldiers, but I do have to make sure my soldiers' religious needs are met," he said.
"Religion brings comfort to a lot of people," he said. "Personally, I don't want it or need it. But I'm not going to get down on anybody else for it."
Hall leaves the Army in April 2009. He would like to find work with the National Park Service or Environmental Protection Agency, anything outdoors.
"I hope this doesn't define me," Hall said of his lawsuit. "It's just about time somebody said something."
i'm athiest and I agree. Christian holidays have been
easter bunny, santa claus. It almost seems like businesses are exploiting your beliefs by pressuring you into buy bigger, buy more for your family than you did last year.
as an athiest i "celebrate" because of commercial aspects
with Jesus anymore! Every religious holiday has become commercialed.
Well fellow MTs
I'm working away (it's 10:30 p.m. PST) and just wanted to wish all my fellow MTs a lovely Tuesday evening. May your shift be filled with more than enough work courtesy of outstanding clinicians doing the dictation.
Have a fabulous evening
Here are some tips from a fellow
I have really curly hair and I only wash it once a week with organic shampoo. It does not have sodium laureth sulfate in it, which really makes your hair frizzy and tangled. I also use a good quality conditioner and put it in my hair (just a little) between washings and work it through with my fingers. Good luck. It took me into my 20s to really appreciate my hair. I think less is more as far as doing stuff with it. Don't cut it, you'll regret it later because sometimes curly won't sit right cut short.
been there done that with fellow MT/friend
I was friends with this girl for years. She is also an MT. Thanks to me! Anyway, she thinks she knows everything and anything and she is not very popular among our other friends either. I finally had enough of the friendship and let it go. We dont even talk now because she is just too much work.
I dont think that you are overreacting at all.
A fellow member . . .
of the loss of a child. I understand and sympathize with you. I too lost a son 16 years ago in a tragic accident. He was 23 at the time. Yes, it does change your life forever. We all grieve differently, and somehow find our way back to a life. For me, it was our other only child, a son, that made me, forced me to make my house a home again back then. I thought about how my deceased son would want us to go on, and how it was hurting him to see us in so much pain. I thought about death a lot, and that we are all walking toward that end one day. I thought about how I need to help make my other son happy again. That helped me to gain some semblence of a life again. Now, I see death as part of life and try to focus on what I make of my life, and how I can make it happy for my loved ones. Yes, my husband and son, and I think of our lost one, but we try to think of him with a smile and how some day we will be reunited again. My sympathy to you and your family. It is not easy. You are so fortunate to have other children. God bless you all and give you happiness.
I remember cat-sitting for a fellow-MT once.
She was a first-time cat owner also. They had a little Maine coon, and she claimed he didn't play. She was only a year old, so I thought that was strange. I dragged a string for her and she proceeded to show me an extremely playful side, leaping onto the couch, running across the back, leaping to a chair ... I was rolling on the floor over this supposed non-playing cat. So make sure you leave a string toy. Or do you have one of those wants with a feather on it? or the other fishing-rod style toys. My cats were crazy for those toys that required owner involvement. And forget trying to read - my cats insisted I pay attention to the game during play. Cat servant indeed.
website for fellow dog lover
Hi. Its www.inthecompanyofdogs.com
when I was living in North Carolina I met a wonderful older lady at the vet who had her dog in a car seat and gave me the catalog. I Love this catalog. It can be on the expensive side, but the carseat was totally worth it. He loves it. When I get in car he goes in the back and jumps right in it. It took a little time in the beginning, so I gave him treats when he jumped in it. It has good restraints too. but there is another website called GWlittle.com that has carseats that are little less expansive than mine and pretty similar.
My fellow transcriptionists..for tomorrow (sm)
I challenge one of you to come up with something very interesting for us all to talk with...co-workers we are, shooting the breeze. I have gone out on a limb and told you about my strange sitings...now someone else come up with something tomorrow - please? Hayseed? Trose? Some other interesting MT? :-)
Hey fellow bird watchers...
We added a new bird to our backyard list today - one that we have been waiting to have visit for six years. I must admit I had given up, as this is known to be a rural bird and we are just inside town. We have downy woodpeckers out the wazoo all day long, but today, much to my surprise and delight, we had a visit from a hairy woodpecker. He landed on the suet cage that I have hanging on the offce window so he was only about 4 feet away and I got a really good look at him. What a thrill! Now if I can just lure in that elusive pileated...
About your fellow land-dweller
She could easily put up her own mail box right next to yours. As long as she clearly labels it with her name, the postal carrier will separate your mail from hers. That's how theya do it out here in my neck o' the woods anyhows....
(Can you tell I absolutely ADORE being a redneck? LOL!)
Fellow workers, you are gonna be proud of me!
I just sent email to a national morning program, has a guy and girl on there. I was watching the other morning, a wife and son on explaining about how her husband suffered extensively with pain, unable to get medications because, you know, some call it drug seeking? Well, come to find out through son being tested, this father had some sort of syndrome (sorry, do not remember the name) and finally died having suffered for years, unable to live a decent life, bedridden. On the panel was the wife, son, a physician and another person The wife started to say something and was cut off immediately but the lady host saying "Well, are you a physician?" The wife said no and the host said "Well, let the doctor speak then." I wrote this host this morning to let her know IF she worked in the field she would know physicians make plenty of mistakes- we clean them up all the time, right? I said people who do not know tend to hold physicians up as gods but if you worked in this field you would certainly know better. I tried to get Megace for hubby 1 time because not eating, lost appetite, starving actually and was told by physician would not help. I switched doctors, got the prescription and hubby regained appetite. Having typed on that for aid in TB patients as well as human immunovirus patients in regaining appetites, I knew better. I feel a whole lot better about myself right now!!
For my fellow Black Friday shoppers, a little tip
Don't wait until the last minute to get the big ticket items. I know they may seem like a great deal, but usually those items are only $20 to $50 less than they normally would be. The aggravation of trying to get it isn't going to be worth the money you'd save.
I generally go for the smaller deals -- like the cool PJs on sale and the board games or DVDs on sale. These are great sales. One year, I got 3 Fisher Price/Hasbro games for my 5-year-old for $3 each. DVDs were only $5 each. There were 3-piece fleece PJs for $9. These are best deals in my opinion.
I've stood in line waiting to get the $49 gameboy that was normally $100 only to get to my turn and find out they're sold out. Then I spent the next month trying to find one anywhere for my kid for Christmas.
I go out early on Black Friday for the excitement and some bargains, but never the big ticket stuff. I have that bought before then and stored away safe and sound. To me, it's like tailgating -- the thing that gets me into the spirit of the season!
First time I have seen a fellow Kansan on here. whereabouts?
I am in SW
I had a fellow nursing student way back with a Jamaican patois who
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Darn! I meant to say FORMER not fellow! I moved a few years back sm
but would LOVE to visit. My dad was stationed at Griffis AFB in Rome, outside of Utica..they moved and I stayed and attended college in Syracuse with a few friends. After a few years I finally left the area. Unfortunately, I don't know anyone in that area anymore!!! So sad....I would LOVE to take my family there one day and show them the Adirondacks, etc. I actually have step-grandparents in VT who owned a 100+ acre farm they just sold for a million dollars....Now they have a small log cabin in the mountains but they are in FL most of the year! I actually live just outside of Atlanta now....I remember being snowed in the dorms for 2 days during a bad winter storm. You are right! The snow is like NO ONE ANYWHERE can even imagine..LOL Nice to meet you!
US Soldier Kills 4 Fellow Troops Before Killing Himself At US Base In Iraq
***UPDATE*** The Associated Press reveals more details about the shooter:
The suspect had been disarmed after an earlier incident at the center but returned with another weapon, according to a senior military official in Washington, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation into the shootings was ongoing.
***UPDATE*** The American soldier who shot dead five fellow soldiers at a U.S. base in Baghdad is in custody.
"The shooter is a US soldier and he is in custody," US marine corps lieutenant Tom Garnett, a US military spokesman in Iraq, told reporters.
The New York Times adds some perspective to the tragedy:
The killings appeared to be the worst case of soldier-on-soldier violence among the American forces based in Iraq since the invasion more than six years ago. The shootings, which took place at a stress clinic, highlight the problem of post-traumatic stress disorder among U.S. soldiers, notes the Guardian:
Stress is one of the biggest killers of US soldiers in Iraq. About a fifth of all US troops are thought to be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, contributing to high divorce and suicide rates. An estimated one fifth of the 4,292 members of the US force in Iraq have died from non-combat causes, either in accidents or from suicide. ***UPDATE*** According to Fox News, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs Monday relayed President Obama's response to the tragedy. Obama expressed shock and sadness and is promising to fully investigate what exactly transpired at Camp Liberty, so as to prevent such incidents in the future.
***UPDATE*** AP has another update. The shooting was at a 'stress clinic':
Pentagon officials say five Americans are dead after a U.S. soldier opened fire at a U.S. base in Baghdad. They say the attacker is in custody.
The officials say the shootings happened on Camp Liberty at a stress clinic, where troops can go for help with the stresses of combat or stress from personal issues.
One senior military official in Washington says it's unclear whether those killed are workers at the clinic or were there for counseling. He says officials also are unsure whether all the dead are members of the military.
***UPDATE*** ABC News reports that the U.S. soldier who attacked fellow troops on a U.S, base in Iraq has killed five of them and is now in custody. Initial reports suggested that he had turned the gun on himself after his rampage.
***UPDATE*** AP now reports that the U.S. soldier who went on a rampage against his fellow troops in Iraq may have survived the incident:
Pentagon officials say five U.S. soldiers are dead after an American soldier opened fire at a U.S. base in Baghdad.
The officials say the shootings happened Monday at Camp Liberty near Baghdad's airport.
One senior military official in Washington said it was not yet clear whether the shooter was among the dead. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the circumstances surrounding the deaths are under investigation.
Initial reports indicated the Army soldier shot several others, then turned the gun on himself. But it was unclear whether he, too, had died.
***UPDATE*** CNN reports that 3 other U.S. soldiers were wounded during the friendly fire incident that has left 5 U.S. troops dead. An American soldier killed 4 of his fellow troops before killing himself.
According to the Washington Post, it is the single greatest loss of life in a single incident involving U.S. soldiers since a truck bomb last month took the lives of 5 American soldiers.
***UPDATE*** CNN has just sent out a breaking news alert reporting that senior defense officials have told the network that a US soldier killed 4 of his fellow troops before killing himself. Check back for more information.
McClatchy is reporting that a shooting at a U.S. base in Baghdad has left 5 soldiers dead. The shooting occurred at Camp Liberty, a base near the Baghdad airport.
What a nice response by a nice mom
What a gracious, well-adjusted response to a rude, obviously maladjusted poster--Hard to imagine someone with such an empty life and such a petty spirit that they would take the time to post criticism about a kid's feet! (Some people really have major issues, LOL!)
Nice to know I'm not alone ...
my son is 20, and is finally taking his road test in 2 weeks, and even at his age I'm scared to death. Have been riding back & forth with him to college, lately I've been reading a book while he drives to be sure he isn't depending on me to watch out for things for him.
He has been learning on and off for years, one minute he wants his license, the next he couldn't care less. But I guess it's finally time now. And I do feel he is much more mature at 20 than he was at 16, but for most kids it's hard to get them to wait.
I'm not as nice as you, but
I recently tried to say something really nice to a person at church I admired, and who had just had surgery and was finally back at church. I said something about missing him and caring about him and he seemed offended. Everybody seems to love my husband, though he doesn't go very often, but they seem annoyed with me. Not sure what I did either.
I have a cat I got when she was 1...nice with certain
She is now 3-1/2 and she always hisses at my daughter and her fiance.....it's really not nice, and it's always ongoing, and I *think* she (the cat) may be jealous. I never had a jealous cat before. *lol*
I had a male cat for 13 years who died in 2004 and he did hiss but not at the daughter (but then she kind of grew up with him....)
hope it gets better with your little furkid...(cute!!)
It's so nice to know I'm not the only one
I have three children and have bottle fed all of them. With my first, I was so determined to breasfeed. I "breastfed" my daughter for 3 1/2 weeks. She always cried and I thought she was just colicky. Come to find out I was not producing enough milk and I either needed to supplement with formula or bottle feed all together. Well, I went home and cried my eyes out feeling like a terrible mother because after her first bottle she hardly ever cried again!!!!
It is so nice to know I am not the only one that had a problem like this. I have always felt so bad that I could not breastfeed. I do not think that other women should me made to feel that way. Breastfeeding is a wonderful thing, but it is not the only way to have healthy children. I was bottle fed and doing just fine and so are my three children.
I met her once - she was SO nice!
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Very nice
But I'm in zone 7a! It might survive here, with southern exposure, but it would be iffy.
My hydrangea is just about to bloom, though - the blooms are somewhat similar. I thought I lost it over the cold, cold winter but it came back and has little florets all over getting ready to burst into bloom.
it's nice you appreciate her this way
there are so many nasty ones at that age that care only about their own image, no compassion for others. My daughter is like yours, too, and she cannot stand all the snotty immature ones - who raises kids like that.
nice!
have you ever heard of kicking a person when they are down? your posts are disgusting. maybe you did need your dad to give you some better manners. we are all thrilled that you have such a wonderful life. personally, wonder what you say to them when they are upset, scrape their knee, make a bad grade, wreck their first car, or are in a bad relationship one day. hope you respond better to them than you did this poster. shame on you.
Nice guy
I love random acts of ego boosters. :-)
nice guy
Just yesterday, my daughter and I (she drives with her permit) were taking my dog to the vet for a routine visit, and our dog was in the front seat belted in with his harness leash, with my daughter driving and me in the back seat. On the way home, we stopped for an iced cappuccino at a drive-through, and the young guy giving us our order kiddingly remarked to my daughter as to the fact that the dog is riding in front, and she "makes her friend" ride in the back seat. My daughter replied that it was her "mother", and he said, "Wow"! It made my day, but I take care of myself and have always looked younger than my age. I am a humble person, but I know I am attractive. I strive to always be in good health and in good shape. That was a nice "pick-me-up."
Isn't it really nice to use?!
I've only tried the Bare Minerals and only use it when I go out, which isn't often, so it's lasted me a looooong time. I have skin that peels, breaks out, or gets a rash from just about anything I put on it--even baby moisturizers. This has been the only makeup I have been able to use without any of those side effects. It doesn't have any smell, any weight to it, and yet it magically covers and stays put. The only bad thing I've had happen is when I wore it and worked up a sweat this summer....it did make my face itch but nothing bad happened. I highly recommend it to anyone with uber-sensitive skin like mine and I'm glad you've enjoyed it too--no matter what the brand!
What a nice looking dog.
as an owner. We can love our dogs and have our peace at the same time.
Not nice, Kit because
I work 14 hours a day, have a husband, have four people who live in our home and find this a trial because our home is too small for what we have, especially since my mom died and left me all her stuff. I can't seem to get rid of enough stuff to make cleaning easy or something do-able in a reasonable period of time. On my day off it takes my daughter, husband and I eight hours to clean and I am still not satisfied. I have massive amounts of laundry that I do each day besides work and cook all our meals too. It would help if we could afford to remodel the house (it is old and has no storage areas and not enough electrical outlets), and I already have three sheds in the back yard that are full, so I am at a point where I either have to get a loan and remodel, move to a larger house with storage and more outlets and a couple more clothes closets would be nice. It would be wonderful if I could have a pantry again. I especially abhor my kitchen which is small, designed by a man who must have only warmed up leftover takeout, and has NO ROOM for people who actually cook food and do dishes and own appliances. I am too tired to move and too scared to get a loan, so I keep on staying here and the time it would take to clean it to my satisfaction on a daily basis would ensure that I could only work 4 hours a day and then we would all starve because of lack of income. It only takes a couple of minutes several times a day to check the internet, so that time saved would be of no help to me. I only watch one TV show a day while we have a lunch break and after I eat the lunch I fold clothes, unload the dishes and start dinner while watching the other half of it, and have three a week that I watch in the evening (usually I record these and watch them after I go to bed at night) so that time would not be saved either. I have delegated, my daughter is an immense help, but still I CANNOT CLEAN MY OWN HOUSE to my satisfaction in a reasonable period of time by myself. Sometimes I feel like just leaving it all here and moving away without anything and starting over in an EMPTY HOUSE. That, I could clean, no sweat!
That was so nice!
Thanks Desperado and the same to you also!
you obviously were being nice
and letting her delay the 2 wks rent...but if she is going to start 'acting like a renter' -- whoa! that sounds bad -- i'd say its time to cut your losses and ask her to leave.
that was really nice of you (sm)
Can't say what I would do, but that's a very lucky dog to have you as a neighbor. A friend of mine was in a similar situation. Her dog was poisoned by an annoyed neighbor... or someone... She lives in the country and the pen wasn't even near anyone's property, but dogs are vulnerable to any mishap when left out on a long-term basis.
My dogs howl when they hear the garage door when I come home from an errand and many times get the neighbors' dogs howling...
They'll also howl on cue. My daughter looks at my male and puts her head up in the air like she's howling, he he will immediately start and then my female dog joins in. It's like a little tune. The rest of us in the house (and probably the people next door) are not amused by this...
You are a good person.
very nice (nm)
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Sure it would be nice
but there's no reason we can't discuss those here.
Seen any good one's lately? not me. too expensive to go to the theater.
Oh, but I did see the lake house...wow! That was such a good movie! I watched it about 5 times in 1 weekend!
NICE!! Thank you! nm
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Nice pic!
Now I'm looking forward to summer! It's 17 degrees here and windy.
Plus, I'd love to look that good in a bathing suit!
must be nice to not need $$$
what a braggart!!!
No, this was definitely not nice. Not toward
my mom and also not toward me. But now, as my sister took all the money from my mother, she has to care for our mom in case something bad happens, she might even pay for our mom's stay in the nursing home if her retirement funds run out.
So I just let it go, it's my sister.
It looks nice, but I would have liked it more without this
white fluffy thing on top.
How much do you ask for it?
And do you make it only in black/white or also in other colors?
Very nice. I really like the third one
You really should start doing that on the side. Go to craft shows, etc. Sell on line. Who knows? Might be profitable for you. Good luck.
How nice of you!
You made my day! Hey, wouldn't it be cool if all us animal lovers could form a rescue group where we MT'd and rescued together so we could make money and then spend it all on the animals! LOL The group could be called:
MTs To The Rescue!!!!
Thanks, nice of you to say so....nm
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i think its nice when they say something
like that or just thanking the transcripitionist for typing, etc.. some they just do their dictations & are done, so it is good when someone seems to really care..
very nice
First of all, I certainly hope I never remember what you wrote because it is crass, rude, irrelevant, and it is incorrect. My children are all adults now with families of their own. And we are all very close and have wonderful and loving relationships.
That is really nice to hear.
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there are nice people out there!
I have a son, a Marine, 1st.sgt. serving in Iraq. In his BD package I put in a jar of Mrs. Renfro's Jalapeno Green Salsa, HOT. I received a request a week ago from his unit, wanting more, the jar was nearly gone! I ran to the store, bought a case and shipped it. The nearly went out of their minds with thanks! I thought it would be nice to let the company know how much their product was liked, so I sent an E-mail, describing everything. A Becky Renfro E-mailed me back immediately, wanted the address of my son and his company in Iraq...and they too sent a case! I'm so glad there are people out there that appreciate our troops and want to be good to them. I support the troops 200%, but not the current administration. Anyway, I thought it was a lovely, lovely thing for them to do.
Semper Fi!
It was a nice day Misha....
I'm glad the time changed. Longer days, more sunshine! LOL I'm ready for the new season... Would love to do some clothes shopping!
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