Lowering the legal drinking age from 21 to 18
Posted By: Yay or nay? Why? on 2008-08-19
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I didn't know this was going on.....
The article is long so I didn't copy all of it. See the link below:
College presidents from about 100 of the nation's best-known universities, including Duke, Dartmouth and Ohio State, are calling on lawmakers to consider lowering the drinking age from 21 to 18, saying current laws actually encourage dangerous binge drinking on campus.
The movement called the Amethyst Initiative began quietly recruiting presidents more than a year ago to provoke national debate about the drinking age.
"This is a law that is routinely evaded," said John McCardell, former president of Middlebury College in Vermont who started the organization.
"It is a law that the people at whom it is directed believe is unjust and unfair and discriminatory."
LINK/URL: http://www.wdtn.com/global/story.asp?s=8861349
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Legal Drinking Age
Many of the states that have chosen to specifically prohibit alcohol consumption by those under age 21 have a variety of exceptions. For example,
Some States allow an exception for consumption when a family member consents and/or is present. States vary widely in terms of which relatives may consent or must be present for this exception to apply and in what circumstances the exception applies. Sometimes a reference is made simply to "family" or "family member" without further elaboration.
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Some States allow an exception for consumption on private property. States vary in the extent of the private property exception which may extend to all private locations, private residences only, or in the home of a parent or guardian only. In some jurisdictions, the location exception is conditional on the presence and/or consent of the parent, legal guardian, or legal-age spouse.
Some States also allow exceptions for educational purposes (e.g., students in culinary schools), religious purposes (e.g., sacramental use of alcoholic beverages), or medical purposes.
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/LegalDrinkingAge.html
Against lowering and against alcohol
I have a BIL who is an alcoholic. I have seen first hand what it can do to kids and the family as a whole, hate the stuff!!!!!!!!
Sounds like lowering calories
and getting a good variety of foods, not too high in carbs, might be the best diet choice for most people.
Choleserol-lowering agents can be tricky...
They have to play around with dosages to mitigate side effects. The first one I wsa given made me feel really tired (like I was coming down with the flu). They switched me to a once-daily dosage of simvastatin. I take it right before I go to bed and have absolutely zero side effects. Just keep yourself informed about the drug they try you on and be aware when you first start on it and you'll be fine. In my personal opinion, not taking one is not an option, even with lifestyle changes. Be sure to go for your cholesterol checks as suggested by you MD. Of course, if applicable, you can lose weight, stop smoking, increase activity, increase your intake of the good cholesterols and play around with low-fat recipes. There are some heart-smart products you can substitute for things you consume a lot of, like margarine, that are tasty, yet a bit more expensive.
Choleserol lowering agents can be tricky...
Sometimes (not always) they have to play around with dosages to mitigate side effects. The first one I was given made me feel really tired (like I was coming down with the flu). They switched me to a once-daily dosage of simvastatin. I take it right before I go to bed and have absolutely zero side effects.
Just keep yourself informed about the drug they try you on and be aware when you first start on it and you'll be fine. In my personal opinion, not taking one is not an option, even with lifestyle changes. Be sure to go for your cholesterol checks as suggested by you MD. Of course, if applicable, you can lose weight, stop smoking, increase activity, increase your intake of the good cholesterols and play around with low-fat recipes. There are some heart-smart products you can substitute for things you consume a lot of, like margarine, that are tasty, yet a bit more expensive.
Anyone have ideas for natural lipid-lowering agents? sm
I try so hard, oatmeal, almonds, whole grain bread, watch what I eat and drink, substitute honey for sugar, yet triglycerides and cholesterol high. Getting discouraged and feel like saying to heck with it. I did Google, same thing I do, they say it may be familial.
And the drinking age is....
This might have changed since my kids were growing up. When the kids and I visited Jamaica, no drinking age there and so my 15 year old son was allowed to drink, even his much younger sister could order from a bar but in the US the age was 21 and so that was what I expected out of them. I personally would hold any parents legally responsible for letting under aged kids drink at their home. I am too much of a stickler for the laws of the land.
husband's drinking
I think, from what I have read, is that he can only help himself in stopping. Has to hit bottom....after AA and being sober would be the time for your support. I think by staying with him now you will be co-inabling. He knows you are there, so he probably feels "so what, she's still here and I'm still drinking". He has to want to stop, until then he won't. Remember, it is a disease, and it can't be cured, but can be taken "one day at a time". Best of luck.
drinking for 2 years is not trying it out
Your daughter is headed down the wrong path. If she's been smoking for 2 years, she's not trying that out anymore, either. Apparently, both of these new habits "fit" and she's taking them home. The fact that she says she feels relieved not having to hide it anymore is a sure sign she has no intention of quitting. I strongly urge you to discipline her. Children need discipline. She may hate you for it now, but your job is to be her mother, not her friend. Both of these habits carry dire consequence over the long-term (which I'm sure you are aware of) and both of these habits only get worse over time.
Yes, I tried alcohol and cigarettes when I was 16 (no drugs) but only a couple of times. To this day, I still don't like the taste of beer and never drank any other alcohol until I was over 21. When my mom/dad found out what I was doing, I was severely disciplined - grounded, spanked (yes I said spanked at 16), and was stripped of any privileges. This definitely deterred me from participating in these things after I was allowed to resume a normal life. This may sound harsh, but I'm thankful today my parents put an end to it when they did. I intend to do the same with my children. I think that's the problem with a lot of today's youth -- they're parents are too worried about being their friend, instead of doing their job as a parent.
What is Nicki drinking?
I know she is drinking the drink that David drugged, but it looks like white wine or champagne. WTH? It certainly dosesn't look like sparkling water or whatever the recovering alcoholic normally drinks.
I would not drive after drinking it!
Use in place of wine:)
drinking soda
I think that drinking soda aggravates that. Cranberry juice and herbals teas calm this sort of thing down for me.
if he quits drinking and changes for the better, you have your answer
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Drinking 9-12 beers a day means he is
No, sure donot see that. Was he drinking the beer
on the unicycle? LOL
Try drinking 8 glasses of water a day...(SM)
I just spoke with a friend whose husband was advised by his doctort to drink a lot of water for his back problem. He did and it worked and he feels better overall. Could be the bones in your feet are dry and building up with calcium.
My daughter was drinking heavily, she didn't know that I knew but she would
act strange and when I would try to come close to her casually, she would pull away. I waited til she fell asleep and could smell the booze on her breath. The next day I told her I would buy lunch if she could go grab it and when she left I went in her room and found to stashed bottle of some cheap rum. I know it sounds bad but I put some ipecac in the bottle and then waited. I didn't put much, but it was effective. She blew chunks and blew and blew. She thought she just got sick, but about a week later I did it again and after she got sick that time, that was the end of her drinking. Smart girl, eh? She somehow figured out that drinking rum made her sick! I may sound like a terrible mom, but I also don't have a drunk for daughter now either.
Red Cross told me excessive tea drinking could cause anemia.
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines
Try drinking lots of water today, bet you feel at least nm
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It's the other guy's wife that's strange. I can see guys drinking, watching
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I would have called the police right from the start, especially with underage drinking.
the mother could be brought up on charges of furnishing aldohol to minors for starters. Don't put up with it for another minute. The police will not tell who called, they just show up on the door step and take care of business.
Good luck.
EXCUSE ME! Smoking and/or drinking does not make you a bad parent! sm
I smoke. I drink margaritas when I choose too. This does not have any effect on how I raise my children. One is a straight A student. The third is an average student. Then I have my 21yo who is excelling in the nursing program and just told me tonight I was a great mom no matter how she used to argue with me, which she did and regularly. Smoking and/or drinking does not play a role in life unless you are an alcoholic. Just because someone drinks, they are not and guess what... they can still be a mom/dad and raise wonderful children.
If you want to pick something that is wrong, how about a church that teaches children to fast when they are only 11 and already underweight (not mine but a friend's). That is more wrong.
It is just like drinking Coors light determines you will have a boy baby and Miller Lite a girl. sm
I have heard that actually; however, it is not true.
I did hear that too much Mountain Dew makes one impotent!
Don't know who dreams this stuff up, but I would have to say it is not true at all. My hubby only drinks Coors Light and we have a boy and a girl, go figure! LOL
I can see no way this is legal. sm
Do you know who this doc's attorney is? I'd love to hear his take on it. :)
How legal is this??
I have a worker at my home and he is from another country. He tells me he became a citizen of the US about 3 months ago (he has dual now) but get this- says he wants to retire around 55, move back to his country and then the way he figures, be able to get SS from our country. I guess Uncle Sam figures a way for us all to pay thru the nose!
Legal.
If you have a commodity that YOU want to sell, and someone else wants to buy, it's your business. Many men pay "normal women" with dinner and a movie, with the same intent. At least allow the woman to decide how to spend it!
legal. Why not?
what a disgusting way to live your life but why should anybody have the right to tell you not to do so?
WOO HOO!!! i would much rather that be legal
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Wow, is that legal?
don't know but sure isn't very nice. What if your mom ends up needing the money if her retirement funds run out? I'll have to read over POA that I have for my mom, think somewhere there might be a note about acting responsibly in handling the funds? So sorry, terrible thing to happen with family and really hard to pursue if you don't have a lot of money to get into a legal battle!
as I know it - it's legal to pay in April...sm
you might want to just call any CPA's office or H&R Block office to ask that question and I don't think it varies state by state because it's the federales! *grin*
As long as it is ALL paid in by 4/15 - I think you're 100% fine. Why should they keep my $$ and use it all year? I can use it until then...*giggles*
Only difference, is most were legal and
not anymore. I do not want to pay more taxes and they pay ??? none perhaps to cover them. I pay enough as it is without adding on extra mouths to my taxes.
Don't know about the legal aspect
But I watch gardening shows all the time. There is a special metal barrier you can get that as I recall comes in different sizes, as much as 3' deep, so once you eradicate the vines on your side of the fence you can put the barrier down right along the fence line to keep the vines from growing in your yard again.
You will probably just have to cut the vines that come over on your side of the fence yourself. Obviously the neighbors aren't going to do anything about it.
If it were me, I would get several estimates from local landscaping firms and take these people to small claims court for the amount it would take to fix the problem. Even if you win, I don't know if you will actually get any money from them. It depends on the laws in your state and how responsive the courts are about enforcing their rulings. I really don't know enough to say anything about that.
Again, if it were me, when I was getting the landscaping done, I would tell the landscaper to spray Roundup or whatever kind of herbicide will kill trumpet vines right along the fence and through the slats as much as possible. If it kills the neighbor's trumpet vine, too bad. My heart bleeds.
Am I a mean person? No. But I think people should take responsibility for the messes they make and take care of recitfying them.
JMHO
It is legal in Nevada.
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Prostitution should be legal
Sure it should be legal. It should be taxed and those women should be given 401k's, profit sharing, and health benefits.
what about alcohol? that's legal
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It is legal in Nevada and they have to
have medical exams, etc. A lot safer than getting it out on the streets anywhere else.
Take this to a lawyer. Fight for him. This cannot be legal.
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General legal matter
Definitely take pictures to use in your defense and when you remove those vines from your house, take pictures of the removal of paint too. Most state laws allow you to control whatever is growing over your house, fence and/or yard that results from a neighbor but if you trim their plants that are on your property and happen to kill the entire tree, plant or vine, your neighbor can make you replace them. It's a matter that has no winning situation because you have to live by these people. I say get a free estimate from a landscaper and get an estimate from a painter also, talk to someone in the legal system and see exactly what your options are, and move forward to bring this problem to an end. Once you find out what action you can take, if any, tell your neighbor what you are planning to do and if they do not take care of the problem, you will move forward as planned. No way would I let this go on without doing something about it. Good luck.
Sounds like the legal system
is trying to leave the discipline to the boy's parent. Is that so bad?
legal as long as both parties are 18+
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And here I do agree with you, which is why I don't want the school to have a legal right (sm)
to teach my child what the teacher personally thinks is right or wrong, but to let me as the parent do that. Yes, they will grow up and decide for themselves, but at that point I will have done what I felt was right.
Is it legal to keep a wild deer as a pet? sm
Someone has had a wild pet deer for a pet in our subdivision for a few years now. I am a serious animal lover myself, but it has gotten rather old having this deer roaming through the roads and, most of all, eating landscape plants down to nothing. We have sprayed deer repellent on nearly everything, but the one little area we miss will be chewed right away. Besides, we have to keep doing it over and over and this stuff is not cheap. Really getting tiresome. Do not want to be mean, but what rights do the homeowners in here have?? 
Rhapsody is a pay site, so it's legal. sm
According to their website:
"MP3s that play anywhere: When you buy a song or an album from Rhapsody, you can put it on your iPod or any other MP3 players, play it on your computer, or burn it to a CD as many times as you want."
Any MP3 file should be able to be put on your computer, iPod, and just about any MP3 player, also on many/most cell phones.
While I don't remember drugs ever being legal
I do know there was a time in this country where "recreational" drugs were legal. After all, that is where Coca Cola got it's name from (from the cocaine that use to be in it). From what I've read, seems to me there wasn't a problem with drugs in this country until it was made illegal ala prohibition. Now due to it being illegal, there is tons of money flowing in a lot of different directions as a result (the millions of jails that are being build to house all the recreational users, etc. plus the money that is made selling it, etc.). Heck, even though it's illegal, it's big business, so I can see everybody that's involved in it regardless of what side they are on fighting to keep it illegal.
YOU so wrong, your SIL IS a legal heir,
since when your brother (her husband) died, SHE WAS STILL MARRIED TO HIM!
Do you want to fight or ignore the fact that the wife inherits from her husband?
So is your nephew, a legal heir.
These 2 are still alive, aren't they?
DO A LITTLE MORE EFFORT THAN THE INSURANCE COMPANY DID AND LOCATE THEM AND GIVE THEM THEIR INHERITANCE MONEY!
The insurance company looked only for 1 year, they do not care to whom they give the money, they have to pay it anyways.
YOU should search longer!
The fact that your newphew was in prison does not disqualify him to get his inheritance from his father or gandfather...
Legit but I would think you have to get a background in legal
because as a scopist you have to go through a court reporters work, basically editing it, don’t know about the pay but you have to be able to work with legal terms. There is a computer program used but if something does not go through on that, then I think you have to revert to using the old way and that would be to read the tapes (like the grocery store tape they used to type on) so I would think school would be in order for this job but it is legit.
General legal matter... maybe somenoe knows
I was wondering if anybody has had this happen to them or someone they know. I have a problem with neighbors to one side of me who have trumpet vines. These are very invasive and they grow very fast. When I first moved into my house 10 years ago, they were confined to a very small area along our shared fence. Now, 10 years later, they are all along the length of the fence, are not being kept trimmed or confined, are reaching the roof of my house, growing inside my garage, behind the washer/dryer, etc. When I pull them off the side of my house (the side out front where I never go except to wash the windows in the garage once a year) the paint comes off with the leaves, leaving bare spots on the wood. This is a spot the neighbors can clearly see when they are doing their lawn work. They sit there and watch the vines grow up the side of my house without even pulling them out, knowing what it does to my paint.
The roots from the vines are now invading most of my back yard, and they grow about a foot (no joke) a week, so by the time I mow the lawn again, they are way above the height of the grass, sticking out all over. Now my lawn is ruined, and every year it is just getting worse. In order to get rid of the vines completely from my yard and property, it will have to be dug up and replaced, and even then it won't do any good because the neighbors have them all over their property and don't care if they have them growing on their roof.
I have contacted the city, and there is no law on this sort of thing, they told me it would be a civil matter, i.e., small claims court. I have asked the neighbors countless numbers of times to at least make an effort to keep them contained, and they may cut a little here and there, but a week later, there they are again. I'm done asking.
My question is this, has anybody actually gone through with a small claims suit against somebody for this or similar reasons, and what was the outcome? I have been checking around and it falls under destruction of property and lowering the value of my home. Thanks for all comments.
It's absolutely legal because he's earning it like any other US citizen.
You can move to another country and make your retirement money go further, too. The advantage he has, though, is that he already feels comfortable living in another country.
There is free legal assistance for cases like this (sm)
Look up Legal Aid for your area - if I find a link I will post it for you. I think you need to report what your son has told you to someone!!! Who ordered the visitation? Get in touch with that office and start from there finding out who to report it to.
Get over it. Abortion is legal, and American women
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