In some areas of the country it isn't really inappropriate sm
Posted By: Another KSMT on 2007-08-13
In Reply to: A peck on the cheek is kinda intimate. - Hayseed
Not to be disagreeable but where I live a simple kiss on the cheek is pretty normal when meeting someone, etc. So perhaps it is a more common thing where that person is from and therefore there may have been no ulterior motive behind it. I recently went to my brother's wedding and quickly realized that not everyone wanted a kiss on the cheek when I gave them their lei at the luau party - though it is custom here.
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Prices will vary in different areas of the country.
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I guess, different men in diff areas...sm
It's funny the comparison here....as I have one daughter (an only) who is 26 and she is the most thoughtful, giving, so not a me-me-me type of person, it's amazing. However, I taught her to be that way, to always think of others, and she does. Perhaps I just *lucked* out. I'm not sure. But I am so thankful EVERY DAY for this type of daughter!!! BTW, she did NOT inherit these good traits that I speak of from her father, who is a me-me-me type. (European/French)
In many areas they also get free water too
Also even tho they don't pay property taxes they get the sevices of police & fire protection and possibly trash pickup!
I found this - it's from Oct 11, 2006. Interesting read!
Not so Separate Church and State—Should Christian Organizations Get Breaks from the Government?
The New York Times this week has run a series of interesting articles by Diana B. Hendriques about the ever decreasing size of the wall between church and state in a variety of matters. This particular blog will try to digest the evidence she presents. Here first are links to several of the articles
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/business/08religious.html?_r=2&pagewanted=6&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/09/business/09religious.html?th&emc=th
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/10/business/10religious.html?th&emc=th
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/business/11religious.html?th&emc=th
Take first the issue of Christian Day Care Schools. In many state they do not have to be run to the same standards nor have the same inspections as state run Day Care centers. For example a state run center in Alabama must: 1) have regular training for its staff; 2) submit to regular on-site inspections; 3) have a lock and key for the medicine cabinet; 4) have two sinks only one of which can be for food preparation; 4) have a license; 5) comply with the civil rights laws in regard to hiring; 6) file a report with the IRS of donations and grants to the center. None of these restrictions apply to the Church of God Day Care Center in Auburn Alabama or for that matter other such Christian Day Care Centers. One of the things that came as a surprise to me in reading the articles is that while some such exemptions are of long standing, many of these sorts of exemptions have been created in the last fifteen years. In fact, there has been a growing trend of such exemptions in the last decade or two--- more than 200 laws have been created since 1989 of this sort in a wide variety of states. One professor from Emory has bemoaned the changes in the laws and says that separation of church and state is no longer the law of our land—instead we have what he calls ‘religious affirmation action programs’. And what is especially telling is that it is low church Protestants who formerly screamed loudest about separation of church and state who are now taking full advantage of such new laws, while still preaching that the government is a menace to and is endangering the separation of church and state rules. What’s up with that?
The timing of these new breaks in the law is especially propitious since the church is going more and more into non-traditional styles of ‘ministry’--- ranging from ice cream parlors to beauty salons to athletic facilities to funeral homes to day care centers to bookstores! Churches get property tax breaks, and lee way in using their land to a degree that other organizations can only envy. Here’s one telling sentence from the first of these articles which appeared in Sunday’s paper--- “In recent years, a church-run fitness center with a tanning bed and video arcade in Minnesota, a biblical theme park in Florida, a ministry’s 1,800-acre training retreat and conference center in Michigan, religious broadcasters’ transmission towers in Washington State, and housing for teachers at church-run schools in Alaska have all been granted tax breaks by local officials — or, when they balked, by the courts or state legislators.” Of course all these facilities have city water, city trash service, city fire and police protection and so on—they just don’t have to pay the taxes which pay for them.
In some cases, it is right to ask are all of these exemptions given to activities that are 1) not for profit; 2) could be called charitable activities that benefit the whole community and the like? It is easier to answer this question when it comes to soup kitchens open to all, drug rehab centers open to all, clothing and shelter services open to all. For example, my church runs a ‘Room at the Inn’ service for the homeless several nights a month. These sorts of services do indeed benefit the whole community and are a public service. But some of these perks seem to go well beyond the intent of First Amendment which of course says that Congress shall make no law in regard to the free establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. In what way is freedom of religion at issue in the establishment of a Christian beauty parlor? Inquiring minds want to know. When you discover tax exempt Christian old folk’s homes that are raking in huge sums of money, do not take the poor or indigent, and bleed dry every last resource of various old people, you have to say--- THIS IS NOT A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION.
And then there is the issue not just of tax and land use breaks, but the actual garnering of federal grants. You will be interested to know that this growing trend began with Bill Clinton in 1996. There are now federal grants and contracts that churches can regularly apply for. Just another example of everyone’s tax dollars at work. Is it really true, by and large that radical courts have been gutting our religious freedoms, or would it be fairer to say that the courts have not done this, indeed quite the opposite in the last fifteen years, but it has become more particular about the public display of religious things on public property? It seems to me that the latter is nearer the actual truth.
Lets consider another aspect of the separation issue—employees of religious institutions. Many of them have few if any legal rights when it comes to their employment. They can be dismissed without due process or proper cause. Take for instance the story of Mary Rosati. She was a novice in training in an order of nuns in Toledo. One day she went to the doctor with her Mother Superior and discovered she had breast cancer and that it was serious. The Mother Superior then announced” We will have to let her go. I don’t think we can take care of her.” (not a religious ground for dismissal. Indeed one might say that dismissal for that reason goes against the religious teaching of Jesus). Some months later Ms. Rosati was told that she was being let go because the Mother Superior and her council had concluded she was not called to be a part of the order (a religious opinion). Mary Rosati lost her health insurance in them midst of battling cancer, and still has none. Now if it had been a secular employer, Mary Rosati could have taken the matter to court and won on the basis of the American with Disabilities Act. But when Ms. Rosati went to court, the case was dismissed as an ‘ecclesiastical’ matter which was beyond the court’s jurisdiction and indeed outside the Americans with Disabilities Act. Bottom line—here we have a Christian organization trying to selfishly protect itself, at the expense of one of its own noviates. In short, the law, or lack of a law, allows Christians to behave badly towards their employees. And there are many similar tales I could tell. Take the case of Lynette Petruska, who was a chaplain at Gannon University, a Catholic school in Erie Pa. In fact she was its first female chaplain. During her brief three year tenure in this job, she apparently did her work too well. She refused to co-operate in the cover up the sexual misconduct of a senior official at the school, she refused to support the slackening of restrictions in regard to on campus rules about sexual harassment, and she was demoted and then in essence force out. Here was a woman who went through 16 years of Catholic education, was very supportive of her institution she was serving at, thought that Christian ethics should especially apply there, and probably lost her job for it. Two years have come and gone, and no court so far will touch the case because of ‘separation of church and state’, even though Rev. Gannon says that her superior acknowledged he was demoting her because she was a woman. Or I could tell you the story of the 73 year old United Methodist minister who was forced to retire from his church in Stony Brook even though he wanted to keep serving as did his church, but he bumped into the mandatory retirement rule of our denomination. He has sued, to no avail thus far. Does age discrimination have a place in the Christian workplace?
Perhaps we don’t want the state to police the church for us, but in that case, should we not be policing ourselves? Should we not set up some sort of ecclesiastical court system for all genuine Christian denominations that such people could appeal to? Couldn’t we have an accountability system for Christian colleges and institutions? Something with some clout like the Evangelical Financial Accountability organization?
But there are other issues as well. In June of this year, Governor Jeb Bush signed a piece of legislation into law which exempted “the Holy Land Experience” from paying $300,000 a year in back taxes for the last five years. Seems this ‘Christian business’ has been raking in the dough. Now I have been to this Christian theme park. It’s o.k., but it has its hokey dimensions, and it certainly isn’t a charity. It’s a for profit organization that benefits from land use laws, property laws, and tax exemption as if it were a church. Only its not—it’s a business, a theme park, only a few miles from Disneyworld and other theme parks. It cost $35 for adults and $23 fir children to get in. Charity is not the word that comes to mind. Nor is it providing any public service of a social nature at least (it is providing some dubious Biblical interpretation). I don’t have a problem with them being a business—but shouldn’t they be paying for city water, lights, streets, fire and police services, like any other business? Inquiring minds want to know.
If we look at the issue of laws invoking or ruling on the separation of church and state issue two things seem clear. They were far stricter in the mid 70s than they are today, Secondly, we cannot claim that this change is due solely to the growing political influence of the Republican religious right. In fact it has come about because Christians who are both Democrats and Republicans in Congress, the Senate, and the White House have been in favor of doing more that weakens the separation of church and state provisions. Now none of this crosses the line such that we could claim that the government is establishing or prohibition a particular religion. After all, Moslems, Jews, Hindus and others are also benefiting from these laws. But as it stands the government, both federal, state, and local is now in effect fighting secularism on its own by passing such laws. Which brings me to a point and some final questions. I haven’t even touched the fact that clergy can opt out of Social Security and get housing allowance breaks with the IRS. There is incredible scope to the amount of privileges granted in the name of religion by various levels of our government.
QUESTION ONE--- IS IT TRUE OR FALSE THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS ANTI-CHRISTIAN? I don’t really see how we can claim it is true in any global or comprehensive sense if one looks at the trail of legislation.
QUESTION TWO—DO WE CARE IF THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE HAS BEEN ERODED IN SOME RESPECTS, AND STRENGTHEN BY EXEMPTIONS IN OTHERS? It certainly seems that even many traditional Christian separatists care less and less about this.
QUESTION THREE—DO WE WANT THE GOVERNMENT HELPING US THRIVE IN BUSINESS, AND EXTEND THE SOCIAL GOSPEL IN VARIOUS WAYS? I don’t particularly see the latter as at all a bad thing, since it has some wide public benefit and does not amount to the establishment of religion in the doctrinal sense. As for the former, I have some questions.
QUESTION FOUR--- IF ALL THIS IS TRUE, IS THE CLAIM OF INCREASING LIBERALISM AND SECULARISM IN OUR CULTURE SIMPLY FALSE? Yes I think this is largely true on the latter issue (secularism). We are a profoundly religious people, its just not as much Christian religion as it used to be. As for the former question, I think the answer is yes and no depending on the issue. If you look at the way the nation votes as a barometer, the answer is that since 2000 signs point definitely towards no.
yep, those *pristine* areas never show REAL LIFE
PLEASE do NOT think that *pristine* neighborhoods are free of drugs, crime, domestic violence, child abuse, alcoholism, methamphetamine labs, and all the REAL stuff that goes on in MOST neighborhoods - because ALL these problems have crossed over ALL socioeconomic lines in this country!
Let her rant and rave....nobody really knows what goes on behind closed doors! Pristine, white collar, no matter what kind of area - the blight has crossed over EVERYWHERE over 30-40 years now!
And her tail covering those "delicate" areas to prevent
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Cavities in areas no longer protected by enamel.
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Question. Do many of you have problems with streets, turns, etc. driving at night in strange areas
you are not familiar with. I am not thrilled by night driving in unfamiliar towns.
No, I think that is inappropriate SM
Even worse my son's first grade teacher told me son, "Angels aren't real." Fine...she doesn't believe (whatever), but she most certainly did NOT have to tell my son that Angels are not real!! We happen to practice a Christian faith, and we believe...and for her--an authority figure in his life and someone he would believe without question--to tell my son otherwise infuriated me. This was also the school that would not sing "We wish you a Merry Christmas" at their "winter program" and instead sang, "We Wish you a Merry Winter Solstice." Ohmygosh! Better to leave the song OUT of their program than to turn it into something pagan (sorry to offend those of you who are pagan, but I imagine if the situation were opposite and we changed one of your songs you wouldn't like it either).
Oh well...I guess all you can do is just openly speak to your kids and explain that some kids (and adults) believe and some don't. My 3rd grade son believes in Santa about 50 percent I would say...leaning toward not believing...but it is just something fun for kids, ya know?
I'm sorry about this!
Chickadee
Inappropriate??!!???
That 911 operator needs to be *#%@* fired, yesterday!
tell the guy it's inappropriate; do not allow it again.
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Is it inappropriate to ask someone (sm)
I have been seeing a man for a little over a year. During this time he has had financial issues and I have given him money without expecting it to be returned. Recently his financial issues got worse and I was not in a position to help. Now he is telling me that he "has money coming to" him but he doesn't say from where. It is almost like he is specifically avoiding saying from where. Normally I would not ask anyone about their finances, but he has never had a problem with telling me he had financial problems and taking money from me, but now that I could not help him, he is getting it from somewhere and not saying where. It makes me wonder if it is from another woman. Am I being paranoid? Should I come right out and ask or is it just none of my business?
That's inappropriate.
How about when you are pregnant and tell them you don't want to know the gender - then they proceed to say "she" throughout the rest of visit when referencing your baby.
What's inappropriate to some...
is dead on the money for others. Some become uncomfortable when posts hit close to home, resulting in bashing of others. In a nutshell, we don't live above our means, we have a very nice lifestyle and we live debt free by choice. I think that is the American dream, not working at a job you hate, being in debt up to your eyeballs with no way out and still buying things you just gotta have now and living hand to mouth. There are others out there who agree with me, believe it or not. A lot of you here just wallow in your self-pity and poor me attitudes. No wonder the other board is so much better, there are positive attitudes over there.
Looking for inappropriate comments? I don't think so! (sm)
Okay......and thanks for your input. I am the OP and I just want for you to know that I think that your comment was a little on the ignorant side. "I am not soooo appalled." I was a little shocked that he cared so much to go out of his way to make sure I found the right size bra. (He walked away from his job to come over to the checkout counter that I was at and felt the need to ask that, even though I was being checked out by a female clerk that was fully capable of making sure that I found what I needed?) Even the female clerk looked at him and said "What are you talking about?" I told her about the bra I returned to his service desk an hour earlier and she said "He is weird. That is none of his business!"
For the record, I receive male attention frequently and I am not easily offended or overly prudish when comments are made to me. This on the other hand was a bit strange.
My intentions were to ask others if they would consider this question to be inappropriate or not if they had been asked the same question under the same circumstances. I am not playing 'poor victim' here as I consider this a minor incident (yet still inappropriate).
In my opinion, it sounds to me like you don't get many comments offered to you and perhaps you would welcome them if you did? (That's what I get from your comment anyways!)
Totally inappropriate.
He sounds like he's good at his job and also at flirting. He is interested in getting to know you better? Why doesn't he just come out and say - hey baby, how about a roll in the hay? Keep us posted if you pursue this. I'd like to know how things go. Believe me, he knows he's good looking. Good Luck and be careful.
"Did you find one that fit" is inappropriate? I don't think so.
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You are totally correct and it was inappropriate.
Don't listen to the obviously ignorant posters. First of all, this is a bra were are talking about. He went out of his way to come over to make that comment to you. He later told you he thought you were pretty and may have been "overly friendly" to you. And even the girl at the counter said, "he's weird, why would he ask you that", totally confirming the fact that it was indeed inappropriate and uncomfortable. I don't know if I would do anything about it, but just know some of us do not think you are overreacting or seeking attention and you are 100% right in your feelings of being violated. Some of the others probably can only wish this happened to them if you get my drift.
Totally inappropriate, but I think I would probably ignore it.
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I would do it right back, all the time in inappropriate - sm
situations. Give his crotch a grab and squeeze, or pinch his butt, etc.....and I would do it in front of others and see how he likes being treated as a piece of meat. Of course if you do this when no one is around he will take it as in invitation so this approach does have its down side. If he persists, then I would just slap him or his hands until he cuts it out.
your opinion is again inappropriate, as you do not support yourself.
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This is a very inappropriate and wrong comment, why do you say this?..nm
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That is just mean. I'm not defending inappropriate clothing sm
but your nasty little comment is mean for no reason at all. Don't overweight people face enough trials in their lives w/o someone like you making "big panties" comments?
thank you, anon. And this, Philly, is why your posts are inappropriate.
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Listen if small children tell you someone is inappropriate
The majority of the time- the majority- little children are not going to say someone touched them inappropriately or such thing sexual unless it is happening or has happened- they just do not. Listen and learn from the children.
it's not illegal, but it's inappropriate & he shouldn't be allowed to teach anymore
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OMG - No wonder this country is
 - I'd rather spend my money on my family then on a gas guzzler.
We do need to be in the country
That's exactly what we need (country). We don't mind driving a little further to go to the stores. We are both home during days (yes that could drive one nuts in itself), but DH does computer work so he's home too. The only time we go out is once a weekend to go grocery shopping, so a longer drive is fine for us. We moved to this neighborhood because we used to live out of state (close to Canada border) and wanted to be closer to family, and not in the harsh harsh winters, so did research for about 6 months and chose this area. Because we were out of state we couldn't just come down here everytime there was a house for rent (and we had a certain timeline when the lease ended up there), so only had about 30 days to get it all together between finding a place close enough to our end lease date, pack it all up up there, drive down (a 2 day drive), and get moved in. So, we didn't know the neighborhoods and we said it doesn't matter at that time, just get down here and then have time to look around for a better place. Luckily we're month to month now so can leave at any time. So, now its trying to find a place with some "space". We don't mind the occasional noise, but with so many neighbors around us so close in proximity they are all making noise, and they are all making noise at different times. So its on with the hunt for us.
our country
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24882849/
Another post that was removed mentioned golf course in Florida that was now owned by the Japanese. Jobs, property, borders, etc. Why are our leaders allowing this? I do not believe the average citizen want this.
in the country
at my husband's great uncle's house out in the woods in Ruston, LA - on a Sunday - the preacher came to the house. . we wore jeans and wouldn't allow any family other than the great aunt & uncle and a cousin. . we were strange. . We did let some great aunts bring punch and cake later.
Gone Country
I have been watching Gone Country... I didn't see it at all last season, but one of my friends told me to start watching it this season since Sebastian Bach is on it (he used to be the lead singer of a rock band called Skid Row back in the 80s ~ I had such a huge crush on him back then!! LOL!)
What is up with Sean Young?!?!?!? I really don't know much about her, but is she "cuckoo" like that in real life? Has she ever done any singing before? (it sure doesn't sound like it!)
And this is why our country is going to h@ll in a
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1st of all I said this *country* - not world...sm
Secondly, it's not just the Christians, I beg to differ.......there's plenty of other religious groups in the USA - that this effects.....and who have been oppressed for a couple of centuries as I see it. 
little by little in this country - losing ....nm
There is a country song.. sm
Alissa lies. About child abuse. I know this is a little different, but that song makes me so sad. It is hard for your daughter I'm sure not to think about children that struggle with issues of this sort.
Uh...this is still a free country and one can--sm
participate if they choose to, negatively or otherwise. I see plenty of other discussions where people have differing opinions about different things, negative, not liking, etc., and no one says any thing to those people...well, sometimes they do, but I thought this was a forum for everybody to participate, negatively or not, not just for those who happen to agree with what is being posted. There were plenty of people complaining about the Anna Nicole Smith threads too, and they participated, but no one told them they were angry or ill.
yep it is a free country and
that is why i can post that i thought * nn * sounded angry, deeply angry.
and it is MY OPINION that you sound very young. maybe in 10 or 20 years, you will get the gist of what is going on here.
give it a rest. i know i am.
Unless you are a citizen, this is not your country
How can you insist, demand, that we set up somewhere for you to wash your feet for a prayer session? There is supposed to be separation of church and state and I most definitely have heard of places having to get rid of things such as the 10 commandments and so forth. I am against the war, am against total wasting of our money (same thing happened with contributions to Katrina victims) but England right now having a horrible problem with the immigrants having taken over their every day lives. Miami is not like it used to be with the influx of Cubans. It is not the Miami that I visited in years past. If Americans demanded foot baths be installed somewhere for a prayer session, the ACLC would be all down our throats.
Living in the country is so...
enjoyable. We have two neighbors and that is about it. One neighbor is across the pond from us and the other neighbor lives back behind a wooded area and we can't hardly see their place unless it is in the winter. I don't think I'd like living right next door to someone else.
I tell you what they do in this part of the country
I never liked stuffing - but here they make stuffing and make it like little balls (like a good handful) and bake it on a cookie sheet.
What is happening to this country
How in the world did they come to the conclusion that has to do with drugs. It could mean a hundred things. When DH and I are arguing he does that all the time (like the poster below said) it means time out. The kids in the pics look like a couple of nice teenagers (except of course not one of the best poses for a prom photo.
Our beloved country.
See on msnbe.msn opening page right now, under business section, foreigners overseas taking advantage of our slumping housing sales. I think of all of the wonderful men and women who died for our country to give us our blessings in this country, and I feel they are being so betrayed by what is going on in our country.
This country is definitely in trouble....
IMHO, many people have blinders on. Still buy like crazy, charge everything, drive brand new cars with big monthly payments, have all the toys, new everything and then only pay minimums on their CC payments or miss a house payment or two and think everyone lives that way. People need to learn how to save money, plain and simple. DH and I both work, make just over six figures, have only the house payment, cars paid for (not new ones but don't care to impress anyone with our cars), no CC debt, gas prices aren't hurting us too much and we can still take nice vacations 2-3 times a year. Most people these days live like there is no tomorrow, don't bother to save for retirement, try to keep up with the Jones' and are miserable. We make a nice living, live well within our means and are content. Do we want new things...sure, but we pay cash for what we want. Nothing irks me more than when someone charged to the hilt on credit cards complains that the debt collectors are calling them because they are behind in payments. Most people whould be able to ride out a recession if they had some money in the bank.
Before you move to the country
Try animal control. They will usually issue a warning first time second time they will issue a citation..If you have kids the country is a really boring place to grow up...I was out in the country until my divorce and moved into a great neighborhood with lots of kids...Best thing I ever did for my kids and myself..
It disturbs me that we are going to help a country
that is poisoning our country with lead paint on toys, just to mention ONE way. I I don't understand whyt we help out people/countries that try to harm us.
Is anyone watching Gone Country?
What do your think about Sean Young?
mee too, wish they were illegal in this country
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Has our country taken a turn for the ...
Our once great country, I afraid, has just turned a corner for the worse. I have watched as the mentality of our country has gone from setting your mind to something, working hard, and you can accomplish it to giving up, sitting back, and letting somebody else take care of them.
I was brought up, as many were, with a good work ethic that was instilled in us by our parents. With the idea that if you want something you had to work for it, and by working for something you learned quickly the difference between wants and needs.
There were always incentives for a person to strive to better themselves. Whether it were financial incentives, or just the pride you gained in knowing that you did something yourself, it didn’t matter.
I wasn’t long ago that people had that “small town” mentality, and everybody knew their neighbors. And those neighbors helped each other out, in any situation, it was just what you did. And people were so proud that some times help would have to be disguised, you remember the lines like..”Mom made more stew than we could eat, could you help us out by taking it so that it doesn’t go to waste?”
But, somewhere along the line those thoughts of some (I guess now the majority) have changed. Some how, if somebody works hard to gain something others feel entitled to have the same things, even if they didn’t have to go through the struggle to earn it. Some how, things like big screen TVs, cell phones, and shiny new cars have wrongly slipped from the “wants” list to the “needs” list.
Somewhere the incentives to strive for betterment have been replaced by incentives to be lazy. The easy way out and hand outs are now the norm. The feeling of pride about being self sufficient is supposed to be replaced by guilt for having more than others.
The “small town” mentality is gone and our neighbors have turned into strangers. People no longer help out their neighbors or even themselves, instead they sit and wait for the government to come solve things for them. And when help does come they complain that the help wasn’t good enough or didn’t come fast enough, the pride is gone.
Well, I refuse to think that way, my small town roots and work ethic runs to deep. I refuse to let somebody take care of me while I am willing and able to take care of myself. I will continue to meet and know my neighbors and help them out when they need it. I will continue to work hard to take care of my needs and by doing so, my wants will take care of themselves. I will continue to volunteer for things and give to charities of my choice regardless of what the government wants to take away from me and give to the undeserving.
My hope is to change the thinking back to the way it was. The sun will rise again tomorrow, I’ll keep doing what I do, and this country can be great again….at least in my little corner of it…
Go get him, that's what I would do. I live in the country and
get strays all the time, have had up to 11 at one time outside, left by people who moved or just dropped off. My DH always says no to more but he is a big softie as soon as he seems them. Provide this sweetie a home. Good luck.
I'd have to go with "No Country for Old Men" - I just
didn't get it.
and let's not forget - in THIS country your kids will
I meant country...excuse me!
And I am sorry, but it is Christians (meaning belivers in Christ, ok...)losing our freedom of speech. Just think about it, anything and everything is ok to be discussed on TV, in books, on the radio (you know what I'm talkin' bout too), but mention the word *God* *Jesus* or even anything pertaining to the church, and whoa...no no...don't do that, it might offend someone. Well I'm sorry, but sexual exploitation of women and children happens to offend ME...yet it's all over TV...homosexuality is a sin, yet it's all over TV... I won't go on because I think you're intelligent enough to see my point. Anyhow, MERRY CHRISTMAS...HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS!!!
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