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Posted By: America=Freedom=Choice on 2007-03-27
In Reply to: According to most of these posts - abortion is killing a baby.

don't try to force your beliefs upon others who may not share them with you. Everyone has a different situation. Dif'rent strokes for dif'rent folks, ya know.


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this woman angers me beyond belief - sm
Is it any wonder that now the courts are starting to offshore our court records to Singapore and the Phillipines!! This woman had the option of outsourcing to another court reporter or to a scopist or even a Transcriptionist (if she had decided to dictate into a recorder or something). She gets paid VERY WELL for her job and in my opinion, she made a mockery of the profession and of the court system. I cannot imagine what this did the family that had to wait on this transcript before decisions could be made to close the case.
You need to take action.

1.  Do you have a physical problem keeping you from seeking out new employment?  If you do, please see your doctor now.  If you have a true disability, see what you can do about maybe collecting disability.


2.  Do you have emotional issues going on that you cannot handle well right now?  Please seek out help, again, through your physician.  If that is not an option, go to your phonebook and look for a community help line phone number.  Someone there can help guide you in the right direction.  In my city, that would be in the white pages in the blue section.  Not sure how everyone else's is. 


3.  Do you have anyone at all that you can turn to for living arrangements, even on a temporary basis?  If not, you better get on the ball and start right this second looking for another apartment or even just a room so you don't end up on the street. 


4.  Look into getting some help from your local food pantry.  Again, a friend, clergy, or a local help line could lead you in the right direction to do that.


5.  Call your gas and electric companies to see if you are eligible for help on your bills.  Many companies offer this. 


6.  Do you have any stuff you can unload at a flea market?  I would say ebay but it sounds like you don't have time for that.  A flea market would be good for some immediate cash on hand.  I looked in a box I had been holding onto for years and never really looked at what was in it (my ex-mother in law gave me what I thought was old Christmas decorations).  I ended up making over 2,000 bucks on ebay for the crap that was in it.  Still don't know why people went nuts over that stuff, but apparently they were some kind of collectables (as I remember there were some old lead figures, some kind of collectable penny lucky charm thingy and a couple old Lone Ranger and Tonto dolls still in boxes, and stuff like that.)  Anyway, if you have been holding onto stuff just because, get rid of it now.  It could put a few extra bucks in your pocket. 


7.  Don't post here looking for help.  In your situation you need REAL and IMMEDIATE help. Call a friend, go to your church if you belong to one and talk to your clergy.  Seek heart-to-heart and face-to-face help and counseling.


8.  When the dust settles, make a plan, start an emergency fund (even if it is just 5 bucks a week) and don't ever ever let this happen again. 


Just my two cents. 


Husband's action
You must be a young one. Having been married a LONG time, and been through almost EVERYTHING imaginable in a marriage, it is neither shocking nor surprising, so don't be scared. My intuitive self says he is acting out of anxiety. You offered information that you are having problems in your marriage right now, and perhaps he wanted you to walk in on him. I too have walked in on my husband while he was spanking the monkey, so to speak. When we were younger, I would have been offended and hurt but you will learn that men will be men. As for me I don't deal with stress in a sexual way. I have found through the journey of marriage that sex can be used as a powerful tool to convey other powerful emotions too. Some men, no matter how good your sex life is together, are like little boys, they have to hand their hands on it just to make sure it's still there, I guess. Take this opportunity to talk openly about what emotions are really going on underneath, and I can almost guarantee you it will be fear. Once you get to the bottom of what he is feeling and what you are feeling, you will begin to ease the tension and be better able to deal with your issues.
Big brother in action again

What happened to freedom of choice?  When did what we do off the clock become everyone's business, and when did we, the workers, agree we need some authority with a conflict of interest to police everyone's health for their own good?


So what's next - we all have no health insurance eventually because some greedy insurer decides something we do is a risk?  In this profession in particular, they could look to disqualify us for being overweight, or the likelihood of carpal tunnel, or any of the other problems that come from being chained to a keyboard the majority of the time.


On the other hand, some politicians introduce platforms aimed to force us to buy insurance.  But what if you are disqualified by the almighty insurers?  You can't make everybody get insurance if more and more people are refused insurance due to risk.  Something has got to give here, and the madness must stop.


you just have to stand up and take action sm
You don't have to make a decision to leave him, you don't have to hate him. You do need the truth from him and an apology with remorse. I am picturing you all being young adults when this happened, is that the case? How old was he? How old were your sisters? If he was a young man and they were young adults it was still wrong of him but he could have changed his ways and regret his actions. If they were children, that is completely another story. If that is the case, I would not be able to stay with him if I were you. But you need to stand up and tell him that you believe them and that he needs to confess and apologize and reassure you that it has not been a recurring them throughout your marriage.
There will probably be consequences to this action
because I do not see how someone in the school system can just take it upon their own self to ask for a urine specimen from a child. I would just play a wait and see and what will come into play is the person who actually ordered/took this will probably be suspended/terminated. It was definitely the responsibility of the school to let the parent(s) know first and not take into their own hands.
I have a dalek action figure!
and a box of Jelly Babies from around 1983 my mother bought from PBS!  I absolutely ADORE the new Dr. Who series and Torchwood...but I get it off BBC3 and it's all unedited and just freakin' awesome!!
the kind of action that could get you shot in this
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Neither, action adventure! The moon or the sun?
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i'd have decked her. Reflex action. (nm)
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put her in your yard; her owner cannot argue against your action.
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Right now just trying to keep him from eating my 3-year-old action figures - sm
I wonder if he eats a spiderman figure does he become spider dog???  I keep finding small plastic arms and legs around the house.   It is getting kinda spooky.  If  I find a small plastic horse head in my bed, cute or not the doggie may have to go... LOL...
To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction
It won't be making any difference. I tried a couple of techniques for my adults and very soon I came to realize they found the antidotes for them. If there are 10 sites telling how to monitor your kids, there are 1000 more telling how to escape it. Down the road you will be pushing your kids to visit those sites (full of porn banners & adult materials) and nothing else.


Disagree with you on this
Happened to my father and it falls under the category of elderly abuse, same as if you beat old folks up. My father had no dementia but after his spouse passing, the younger married women moved in on him. He had lots of money. A person likes attention from someone they think finds them attractive. He had plenty of friends and associates, did not spend lonely times at home, nothing like that- just thought the wonen were interested in him sexually. He gave away over $100,000.00 to 1 woman I found out after he was killed in accident - get this, going to see her!
I disagree!!!!
Frenchie willingly posed completely topless for money for a website that reportedly was also using underage girls and apparently did not have a good reputation. Antonella posed with her friends and I believe a boyfriend and they betrayed her and put her pictures on the internet behind her back. They were really not even *nude* photos. I'm not saying they're not bad but then again in today's world is there anything left that would be really shocking? I definitely disagree that this was even similar to Frenchie's situation and her playing the race card is oh so typical and sickening to me. Some things never change. The only thing Antonella is guilty of is being a lousy singer.
I disagree and here's why - sm
While I may disagree with the idea of abortion, I am also completely against someone taking away a choice that is MINE, whatever the reason may be.

I don't understand why so many people don't try to look at the bigger picture. There are many reasons why a woman might choose abortion, not just as a form of birth control.

Can you honestly say if you knew a woman or girl was raped or became pregnant by incestuous means that you would prefer to traumatize her further by forcing her to carry a baby to term? I know the baby is an innocent that didn't ask for what happens. I struggle with that thought too but... I also believe that is one less baby who would probably be neglected, abused, or worse because that same woman or girl feels pressure to keep this baby.

If you are lucky enough to have never suffered a brutal rape, you could not possibly understand. If you have and you still feel this way, you are stronger than many many many women.
Disagree with you sm
I'm not going to get into a religious war but a TRUE Christian would never dress like that!
I disagree

I was both in the military and legally drinking when I was 18.  Husband, whom I met and married in the military when I was still a teen, entered when he graduated high school at 17.  We did not have a problem with drinking responsibly and neither did most of our fellow soldiers at that age.  In fact, most of the young soldiers just out of high school are way more responsible than the average college student years older because that responsibility and accountability is demanded of them by the military and is generally not demanded in civilian life. 


People trying to take away even more responsibility/accountability by excusing bad behavior because of  the "youth" of people that are legally adults are creating the problem by refusing to put the accountability for said bad behavior exactly where it belongs--on the people behaving irresponsibly, and likely on the parents for not instilling the knowledge that there are consequences for bad actions.  Budweiser is not responsible for their idiocy.  Jack Daniels is not responsible for their stupidity.  They are.


Oh I so disagree with you
I tried and tried, did things my g'children loved but I did NOT want them playing on my company computer and my company machines, not mine but if I asked them to come out of the room then the DIL thought I was wrong because at the other g'parents home they could do everything they wanted? As a PARENT you have to instill the fact there is not just 1 set of parents, usually 2 - maternal as well as paternal and both should be able to spend time with the kids. It is terribly unfair otherwise just to be 1 sided and this is exactly what happened in my case. I had no say in my being bypassed. My DIL so entangled in her family, my side didn’t and still doesn’t count. I eventually gave up- I did not want to compete for attention.
I disagree...I think you are looking too far into this...
her children obviously don't want to go for a reason because they are crying not to go...sounds to me like something the grandmother is doing and not the mother...rememeber she asked for opinions not judgement...
I disagree
Spanking doesn't have to be abusive. It doesn't have to be done with a belt buckle, or something that will inflict undue harm.

The power of spanking is humiliation. Using your hand or a folded magazine to sting the kid's buttocks or upper back thighs is not going to scar them, physically or emotionally. What it does do is let them know their behavior is unacceptable and has consequences.

Throughout human history, the majority of people have used spanking as discipline - notice I said discipline not punishment - and I would say the human race has managed to make progress. So, spanking can't be that awful.

I was spanked 3 times in my childhood and I have never laid a hand on anyone in my life. So, the theory about spanking making the recipient into an abuser is just bunk. Tens of thousands of us were spanked as kids, and we turned out fine.

I am not advocating out of control parents beating kids within an inch of their life - but I do think a swat on the bottom isn't the end of the world for any kid.

I do wish people weren't so afraid of kids today - kids have way too much power and adults need to take it back. We're aren't doing these kids any favors by giving them the run of the place.
I could not disagree more
I see no reason whatsoever to have a girl on hormones to "manage" her for her entire life in one way or another, to me that is repression. I also disagree that being a woman causes "needless suffering." Seems like men have simply perverted the normal for monetary gain and insist on managing every miniscule aspect of our bodies. It does not take much to convince a woman that if she is okay she is an exception to the rule.
I disagree...
my husband and I each have an e-mail account with our own passwords and I am sure that if I asked, he would give me the password, but I really have no reason to read his e-mail. Don't you think that he should be able to have something of his own? I have nothing to hide in my e-mail, but have never even thought to offer up my password. Frankly, I would be offended should he ever ask for it.
Sorry, but I disagree...
That is great that you are happy and not having orgasm, but not everyone feels that way.  It does not mean that is the only 'glue' in the marriage, but it is an important component to many marriages, and that's okay.
I disagree...
I think that if you lose your honor, it is a bad example for your children. I am not saying that she should not make sure that she gets some money, but it is dishonorable and bad for the children to take it all. I watched it happen and I don't think it is good for the children. Also, kids know more than you think. If you feel you are resorting to something, you are doing the wrong thing. I watched my mother act in a way that she taught me to be better than. I will never regain that respect. And it was never about us. It was about revenge. My point was that women should be careful of stooping to those levels, it happens a lot. I was not defending the husband. He might be a horrible person or he might be okay; I have no idea. The OP cannot control his actions, but she can control her own.
You can disagree all you want but if you
don’t notice either a rapid weight gain or weight loss, then you don’t really know your body. I have a scale at home, maybe you should invest in another or just do what you want with the deal about weighing. I am not going to, don’t have to but whatever floats your boat.
Disagree with you
There are many reasons why a child flies alone but that aside, what is the big deal? They are supposed to be assigned a flight attendant at that age to chaperone them. Obviously there were a bunch of incompetent people at every step of the way. I have flown alone many times as a young kid - no biggie if people are doing their jobs the way they are supposed to. The airline is absolutely at fault here.
well...I both agree and disagree...

I agree that your feelings of being attacked are valid.  As a preacher, he should know better than to judge you or your family.


On the other hand though, I would not do such a display, and that is just me! I don't decorate much for Halloween, maybe a few Jack-o-lanterns, but that's about it.  And only cause the kids like making them.  Sounds as though your decorations are pretty elaborate, though.  To each her own...have fun!!!


I am sure people with disagree with me but...sm

I think the school has told you what they can and cannot do...it is now up to YOU as her parents to make up the difference.  You stated that your daughter has ADD, which in itself requires more attentional than a student without it.  With 27 children in a classroom, which unfortunately is what almost all of us face with public school, the teachers just do not have the time to focus on children with special needs.  If she were my child, I would put however many hours it would take at home to work with you.  And if you can, go to the school and work in her classroom.  Most teachers beg parents to become helpers in the classroom. 


I have a 17-year-old nephew who cannot read at all but has been passed from grade to grade.  His parents basically blamed the school system instead of working outside of school with him.  I do not agree that he should be passed on from one grade to another, but unfortunately that is what happens to most of these kids....the schools won't flunk kids anymore because of no child left behind. 


Bottom line...try every avenue open to you at home...Sylvan or private tutor or whatever is available. 


I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. If it
costs him his job and his reputation, that is entirely his own fault. This may not be the first time something like this happened and if he gets away with it, it probably will not be the last time either. Who knows what it could escalate to with someone else. I would not appreciate that kind of comment made to my 24-year-old daughter and would not hesitate for one minute to report it to management. That is absolutely and completely unacceptable from anyone for any reason. He admitted he thought she was pretty and was maybe overly friendly, so, obviously he knows he's wrong and should suffer the repercussions from his inappropriate behavior.
Disagree on aspirin
We used to prescribe Ascripton all the time to dogs with arthritis.  My dog has been on one to two a day for several years now.   Also my neighbors dog has been on aspirin for his arthritis.  Just like people you have to watch for bleeding or hemorrhage but when she had a benign growth removed last August her blood work was better than that of an 8 year old dog.  Again you have to watch for the signs of GI bleeding but it is not as potentially dangerous as the NSAID's are to the liver.  Read about those side effects.  I have been given hand outs on the use of aspirin by several vet's.  So again -- I disagree with you. 
yes..we can agree to disagree...sm
I will always take an animal's side over a humans. They cannot defend themselves. I was not judging YOU personally and you did not need to explain yourself to me. I never asked that you do. I was addressing *craters* to those that choose that over spending the time to properly train. I will argue this point no more, and I am sure you will be happy with that. you are just wrong too. have a good evening.
Others may disagree with me, but since it is cooked
I think it would be fine.
Agree or disagree

An Associates Degree isn't worth the paper its printed on. Agree or disagree?


There was lunchtime conversation about this today. One person said an Associates degree is useless because it won't help you get a better job than just having a GED or Diploma. Not worth the paper its printed on.


Another said a 2 year degree is a total waste of money. You save a lot of money by choosing a 4 year college and totally bypassing a 2 year program altogether.


Another said a batchelors degree is losing its value now & unless you have a Master's you can't get too far in any field.


Of course a masters degree would be better to have than an associates & a PHD would be even better, but doesn't an associates degree still have meaning? What do you think?


I agree and disagree....I think and would
love to see women 40 and over on VS.  To see these children in ads is disheartening.  Friends and I have taken polls - young people in VS with older women or just the young ones.  Everyone said older women too.  Older women are more sexier, confident, funny, secure, sexual and know what they want.  The young ones are insecure, money hungry, have no idea what a relatinship is, and lastly, do not know about life and that life is not fun.  It is hard and you have to give in order to receive.  It is not all about good looks and a good body!!!
I disagree with the other poster

While forgiveness is divine, forgetting is just plain dumb.  I would not let this incident go by without discussing it with the mother of the daughter as well as the teacher and the school principal.  Personal space or not, that girl had no right to put her hands on your son.  She was not defending herself.  She was not in harms' way.  If she gets away with this now, it will only continue.  In public school, this kind of thing would be handled by suspension of the girl.  Boy or girl, big or small, every child has the right to feel safe in school.  That's one of the fundamental rights of all children.  See to it that this private school enforces it.  Only you can make them accountable.


I realize how angry you must be right now, but hopefully by posting this and sleeping on it tonight, you'll be able to compose yourself enough to handle this maturely. 


I disagree with that old adage...
My mother remarried when I was 7 and my brother 12. My stepfather brought four kids into the family ages 5, 7, 9 and 12. Back in those days (1967) we respected people and had manners. We had problems at first but quickly became a blended family of 8. Perhaps because my parents sat us down before they married and explained that neither parent was taking the place of the biological parent.

We are all now in our late 40's to 50's and see each other on a daily basis. My brother remarried and adopted his stepdaughter. I do not think of my brothers and sisters as "step" and I call my stepfather dad and he always referred to me as his daughter - not his stepdaughter.

Bottom line, blood is not thicker than water unless you want it to be.
I have to disagree with some of these points
I do know that my natural gas bill, which is what I would be heating with, was WAY more than my electric bill. So I totally disagree with the statement that gas central heat is cheaper. My last heating bill 3 years ago (which only included gas) was $450 for one month.

What you posted says it uses .12 cph, which would equal approx $90 for 30 days, I could put 5 of them in my home before I reached my last gas bill!

Is this for everyone, no. Should it be used as a constant source of heat, probably not for most households (some single people might get away with it).

Really the only thing I saw in the article you posted against this heater was the cost of the heater. I am willing to pay that because I happen to want something that looks nice. This has a 30-day money back guarantee and a one year warranty.

Where I live anything that you can do to turn the thermostat down, if you use gas, will save you money. I need to heat my house 24/7 for about 7 months out of the year, if I had to pay for natural gas I don't know what I would do.
Heartily disagree with some of those...
I love the post office. For 42 cents, they will take my card or letter all the way across the US, to Alaska or Hawaii! I think it's the greatest bargain going. (And, no, I don't know anyone who works for the post office.)

Secondly, I would NEVER give up my land line on my telephone. Try dealing with a few conversations getting choppy and incomprehensible on a cell. Cell phones have their place, but their quality is pretty poor compared to that line stretched on the poles.

While I disagree with you... I am curious
What "chemical change" do you think it causes in their bodies? I have a bachelor's degree in Animal Science, which is mostly production, and I know that withdrawal periods on growth hormones are very long. Most cattle would get their last ear implant at 3 months of age. We generally butcher at 2 years of age. They are moved from grass to grain slowly and the change that it produces is in the microbial content of their stomachs, which is something that we do not eat. Since ruminants digest with the aid of microbes, you cannot just move them straight to grain because they cannot process it. The muscle stays the same chemically. The reason for grain finished beef is that consumers pay more money for a higher intramuscular fat content. This is what makes your steak juicy. All beef (grass fed or otherwise) has extramuscular fat trimmed to 1/4" thickness. It is only the marbling that changes from grade to grade. Personally, I am convinced that most foods are good for you, if not taken to excess. Ruminants are the only natural source of B-complex vitamins, as their bodies produce them and ours do not. You can take a vitamin, but it is usually made from beef. Corn finished beef. The only reason for corn finishing versus raising them on corn to start with is that corn is very expensive. Fat is the most expensive part of any animal's diet, so finishing is cost effective.
There are a few ways to disagree. You can
respectfully diagree, and you can be nasty and bash.  The latter would be the troll. 
Because I disagree, that makes me
miserable. You have no idea what kind of life I have, which by the way seems almost A letter perfect compared to most I read on this board. If I should need help, I certainly do not try to find on a forum with people who are total strangers to me and could not give me a helping hand if need be. You speak as though you are on a first name basis with these other people when in actuality you would not even know them if they walked up to your door. I would think the original poster grown; however to ask did she miss a bullet when turning down giving a ride to 2 strangers and she has to ask??? I say again, she should not be out by herself, the next time she might make a different decision and it end her life. Oh, I'm not perfect but I sure have common sense and use it and never have to ask you or others on this board for answers anyone over the age of 8 or 9 should already know.
I strongly disagree!.
I think everybody remembers the 'first time'.
It is said that no woman forgets her first lover and even if they might part, she will always have a special place in her heart for him. (Well, not everyone, it depends on him, too)
Not that I disagree well to a degree

I am sorry, but you are comparing an animal rescue to human babies; no, no, no.  Animals can fend for themselves if left alone, but babies cannot.


No, she should not have gone out and did it again, but it goes along the same lines as people who do not believe in abortion.  JMHO.


I'm sure the faith board would have a field day with your temperament here. 


What is the difference between what this girl did and what other families that have multiple children do?  Not a thing.  There's a show on called Jon and Kate plus eight or something like that; check it out sometime.  That mother works hard. 


Another thing is, some people just want to be famous, so this is her style.  I'm just not sure I agree with the "what are you thinking?"  She wanted children, and now she's got them and if people feel compelled to help her, then so be it. 


By the way, I believe in choice as far as abortion goes, so I'm not welcome on the fath board either, I'm sure, since most believe that abortion should be banned.


Believe me, I see where you are coming from to a degree regarding having babies on purpose, but comparing babies to animals just doesn't settle too well with me.


I disagree with most on this issue...
I do NOT think that the counselor should have said anything to the girl's parents at all. If she were pregnant, it would be evident soon enough. It is irresponsible for an adult to lend any credibility to this sort of gossip at all, not to mention embarassing to the girl to whom it happened. I had a similar situation in Junior High, only involving smoking and not pregnancy (which I understand is a big difference), but I was a straight A student who was horrified that I was accused of something that I never would have done. I can't imagine if it had been a pregnant rumor. Adults should not get in the middle of mean adolescent gossip, it only lends it validation.
I must disagree with that. My husband
would ask that 'we' buy her groceries or necessities since she's a mother because he has a kind heart, but he wouldn't do it to feel like a hero, and he wouldn't go to that extreme of $500, ESPECIALLY without consulting me, and I would venture to say if it came to that, he would want me to handle it so that it wouldn't look improper. This is FLIRTING at the very least, if not more, and I think she should confront the situation. I'm sure her husband would not like it if the roles were reversed & it was his wife & another man. The feelings of your spouse come first, and if the woman is in need, it's something they should address as a couple if THEY decide to help her out.
I disagree about the swearing
It doesn't matter when your son swore at the other child, it still happened.  If he isn't punished for it, then he'll learn he can get away with it, he just has be careful who he does it around so he doesn't get caught right then.  He knows he said the swear word and I'm sure he knew it was wrong, so he should take the consequences.
I totally disagree with that

"I think that the idea of a 15 year old girl having sex with a boy because he has lied to her and made her promises that he has no intention of keeping is much worse than any damage done by advising that girl to wait until she is an adult to have sex."


That doesn't make any sense to me; since guys lie to women for that purpose at any age!  Certainly being the only virgin left in the school would also cause psychological damage - probably more damage than being lied to by a boy; since her peer group is likely to cut her out of the loop once they have done the deed and she's the only holdout.  You're being unrealistic, IMO.  In my experience the longer a girl waits, the more socially awkward she feels, and the more promiscuous she becomes once she finally joins the party.


I disagree with some of your reasoning
While admittedly I hate getting on the scale, MRI dosing is not the only reason for getting weighed. Sometimes, hard though it may be to believe, we don't notice things going on with our body as much as we should. Point in fact, I had a recent visit where it was discovered I had lost an inordinate amount of weight in a fairly short time. While in this case it was nothing, there are a lot of other bad things that could cause it, but while I knew I had lost some weight, I wasn't aware of the extent. Rapid weight gain can also be an indicator of a lot of problems and, speaking for myself, I know that the heavier I am, the less I notice even 20 more pounds, but the scale will notice. Also, if you're on any medication at all, weight can be a factor. Do you honestly believe that 200 mg of Motrin is going to be as effective for a 200 pound person as a 110 pound one?

Yeah, we all hate the scale. I haven't owned one for about 10 years (I probably ended up throwing that one out a window) and feel no need to rush out and buy one. But much like I let them check my pulse, temperature, respirations, and blood pressure no matter what I'm in for, it would occur to me to refuse the dreaded weight check as one more piece of my medical info.
You can disagree, no problem but
I would definitely know if I had either a rapid weight gain or weight loss but then I happen to know my body well. I do have a scale at home, maybe you should invest in one if you are not that familiar with knowing if you gain or loss big amounts. If you want to weigh, go at it. Me I don’t care do, don’t do and a doctor never goes back and looks on the weight thingy and says, oh let me see you are this much so let me prescribe this much. Not done.
I disagree with you. OP has a very nasty LL
who evicts her immediately after she could not pay the rent on time. I doubt that this is even legal to evict sb immediately after the first time being late with the rent payment. She should talk with the LL, he could be a bit more compasssionate, especially in these times.