If you are comparing children and dogs behaving in public
Posted By: Jennifer on 2007-03-05
In Reply to: Whatever happened to MANNERS?! - sm
I will take the dogs any ole day. When I have been out to a restaurant lately, the kids are standing up in their chairs, screaming sometimes, and what are the parents doing?? Absolutely nothing! I so enjoy our furry friends. They are acting better than the children now days.
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You are saying she cares about her dogs like her children
You, my dear, seem to be taking up for her. You do not let your children go out and murder just because you love them. A dog who would kill another animal might also try killing a small child. Give you my advice and I really mean this - I would have called the animal control on her. There are laws here just for this same thing. You do not let you dogs (kids) run wild and kill and mutilate other animals. It is really against the law. She could be my mother, wouldn’t care. Accept the response you have gotten. You seem to not even care about the little ones who lost their lives. Shame on you.
First of all, I'm not comparing you ..
to this lady because your just buying things you will use or like another post, if you can't return some of it & need to get rid of it try a yard sale or better yet, if you know somebody that is dire need and can use it would be great, if it's not causing any family problems, you & your dh aren't fighting because of it, then be glad you can go shop when you want.. this is just a story of someone I know DID have a shopping problem..
but this is about someone I know who had a major HUGE shopping addiction.. I never thought too much about it, but before I started doing MT work, I used to clean houses.. This lady was a good friend, her dh is my cousin, we all used to ride horses together, etc.anyhoo, when I cleaned for her (they lived in a crackerbox house), she had NO room for anything, every time I went to her house to clean, (which was horrible).. there were always bags on top of bags where she had been shopping, outfits on top of outfits for her, her daughter, etc.. shoes coming out the wazoo, all i did basically was tidy up a very very cluttered house, anyhoo.. she blamed it on the small house, I counted one time trying to get clothes in a drawer, decided I would count.. her daughter had 50+ pair of panties.. she was probably in grade school at the time... and then there were ?? bags of new panties never opened.. she got into credit card trouble & they had to mortgage their home$10,000. the next time it happened they mortgaged their home $20,000. the next time, they had to mortgage their home for $40,000. anyhoo, to make a long story a little shorter, she is sitting in prison, she was the circuit clerk at the courthouse here in our county, so she was the person who took fine money, etc.. when all was said and done, she had stole in excess of $300,000.00, nothing to show for it, her husband has been in & out of the psych ward more than once since this happened, their daughter lives with her cousins, has nothing much to do with her dad at all.. their family was totally destroyed.. .. and I knew her pretty good, but then on the other hand, maybe nobody did..
you are comparing apples to oranges
The children's relationship with their divorced parent or extended family is very important and should always be encouraged...unless there are problems the child should not be exposed to (mental illness, drug/alcohol abuse, etc.), but you are saying children should be exposed to the girlfriend or boyfriend of the week just to be part of the life of the absent parent/grandparent. That is not what anyone here is talking about.
When I got custody of my granddaughter, I had to go through a screening process with the state. A background check was run on everyone in my home. If there had been a convicted felon in the home, I would not have been able to get custody of her. Well, the other grandmom had a habit of going to bars to pick up new boyfriends when she wore out the last one. At the time I got custody, her current boyfriend had a felony conviction for drug trafficking. I told her the child could continue to visit her as usual, as long as the convicted felon was not in the home during the visits. She chose the convicted felon. So the child lost her other grandmother and continues to mourn that loss, but it was that person's choice. She chose the boyfriend/felon of the week over her relationship with her granddaughter. She won't even call the child - it's been a year. I tried calling her a couple of times so my GD could at least say hello over the phone, but each time she told me she was "too busy" so we stopped calling.
I will NOT apologize for standing up for the best interest of the child. It was that grandmother's choice, not mine, not the child's.
I'm sorry any child has to lose their relationship with the grandparent...and I think it was foolish of any parents to go along with grandma for having enough power over them to keep the grandchildren from seeing their grandfather. Is that what the grandfather or the grandchildren wanted? What a shame.
comparing yourself to a teenager makes you look...
and you don't know how to put "no message" on outside of your post, so we don't have to waste time clicking to open your message just to see there is no message!
No one was comparing the babies to animals
Why do you not read the postings correctly. I said I might as well ask for contributions for my animal rescue if THE MOTHER could put up a website asking for contributions. I see no difference at all. I pay it forward almost every week doing my rescuing and contributing to causes I find worthwhile contributing to, not a psycho person who intentionally populates the earth by herself and has no way of taking care of such a litter. I am very angry at people like you who are bleeding hearts. Give them all your money- I know just by the glimpses I see of this wanna be Angelina Jolie that she will have to look elsewhere for help other than this person of sound mind. I do not give money for stoopid causes. Have at it!
I think you hit the nail on the head as far as comparing
Adam to Steven Tyler. In the early days of Aerosmith, I LOVED them, but after he developed his 'signature scream' and did it in every single song to the point of sounding stupid, it got so monotonous that I can't stand him anymore. I still like the early stuff though. Adam is like Steven Tyler now that he's not good anymore.
You are comparing your aunt's boss to someone's child?
Sorry, just an odd response. There is nothing that compares to the loss of one's child. My heart goes out to the other poster.
Apples to oranges comparing MT to a psychologist! sm
I'm currently going to school for an advanced degree in a completely unrelated field from MT, while working FT as an MT and having an unemployed husband, as well.
My disdain for this profession in no way affects my ability to be successful in my next career, and it's unfair of you to attack the OP for daring to feel overwhelmed by everything she's got in her life right now.
We all have our tipping points, and kudos to her for having foresight into what she really wants to do and pursuing it.
The MT industry is lousy, it has little respect and no thanks. We all have our reasons for being in it.
Shelties or Australian Sheep Dogs are great family dogs. rm
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These dogs appear to be puppy mill producing dogs.
The two females, which I thought were older, appear to be just worn out/depleted. Their teeth are those of a 3-5 year old dog. So, I do believe they have had litters each cycle and are suffering from malnourishment.
Funny thing, yesterday, they were covered with mud (it rained and they were digging) and this morning, I look out and see they have all been grooming as they are clean.
Called Love of Animals who has committed to spaying/neutering the animals, giving them their shots, flea repellant and showing them at Pets Mart on Sundays. In a few months, there will be a regional dog show at the local college where on average 150 dogs are adopted out and she asked that I keep them until then.
Which I will...And a girl saw the ad for the Lost Pets and is looking for a replacement for her Shi Tzu she lost a year ago and will come by tomorrow morning.
I have my dogs on it, and yes all my past dogs but 2 have died -sm
from cancer. But I had 2 schipperkes on Frontline for years and one died at 13 from cancer, the other at 16 just from old age/kidney failure. My last husky was 8 when she died from cancer, but I have had one die at 2 (unknown causes), and another at 9.5 from liver cancer (she actually made a nice recovery but succumbed about 6 months later), but huskies don't tend to live past 10 unfortunately. I have had purebreeds and mutts, and with or w/o Frontline/Advantage they have all died from cancer. I suppose it is possible that it causes it, but if you live long enough, cancer will most likely be your cause of death, anything and everything causes cancer anymore. I hate fleas and ticks and we have lots of them, so the dogs get the Frontline except in the cold winter months. They are 6 and 3 and both doing quite well.
And dogs don't bite right? Love my dogs but I
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my dogs are basically indoor dogs sm
but have a doggie door to go in and out as they please. Sometimes our Jack Russell gets excited and barks inside the house. My DH grabs is belt and snaps it and the loud noise shuts her up right away. I am not trying to frighten our dog, but many times just saying knock it off doesn't work.
Children having children not a new thing, where do you live?
My son, who is now in his early 40s, told me years ago when in high school about all the teenage mothers that were at his school and said they brought the babies to school, and he seemed to think it was like the girls having playdolls like when you were little. This is not new and apparently folks think alright to have their children sans marriage, be it preteens, teens or adults. I guess my years alone do not make me shocked at anything anymore. Others talk about this job being isolated and your post says some of this if you were shocked at what the son said.
ok, if i ever see one out on its own in public,
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Public
I have to agree with "Baptist here". I think teaching in a public school would really make her shine - and public schools need teachers like her!
Public school
I have a granddaughter in the mountains of North Carolina in the fifth grade, who has teachers from you know where.. They should not be in a school setting. One used four letter words and they were not love. They will not go out with the students at recess, so it is a free for all with three to five grades out there all at once. There is bullying and if she says anything, the teacher says she is squealing. I don't think when your knees are bleeding from being knocked down, it is squealing. The third grade was awful. They finally got her moved out of there into another class and the teacher was wonderful. That was about three months before the year was over and that was because they went to the superintendent of schools. Next year was bad and this year is the worse. The teacher tells the student she cannot believe the students are that ignorant, loses papers the students turn in and then gives them a zero. Her mother saved her papers and showed them to the teacher and she had some phony excuse, like she had so many papers to correct. Teachers are supposed to do that. The teacher also has a teacher's aide three times a week and there are only 15 students in the class. She also calls my granddaughter a liar when she says she turned her papers in. She says my granddaughter is to lazy to do the work. My granddaughter loves school, is on the honor roll and would have made the principal's list had the teacher not lost three papers that my granddaughter had turned and gave her the grade she deserved instead of giving her a zero three times. Don't say go to the school and the principal. When they go, the teacher acts so nice and after they leave, she picks on my granddaughter and tells her not to go home and tell her parents things that are not true. The principal does nothing. They have her on a list for a private school and after paying taxes, no one should have to pay to go to a private school, but that is what you have to do. I cannot believe that all the parents do not get together and descend on the principal's office. My granddaughter loves school but not this year because of the teacher. Cannot wait for the year to be over. She has been humiliated in front of her classmates and when a classmate tries to stand up for her and tell the teacher she is not talking or doing any of what the teacher says she is doing, she tells the classmates not to try to take any sides. She is a very loving, sweet, and intelligent girl and what she has to go through every day, makes my skin crawl. When school is out, I am going to write the principal, the teacher and the superintendent of schools and tell them what I think of their teachers. If they did away with tenure, maybe the teachers would take their work more seriously. I never worked for a company that told me if I stayed with them for 10 years, I could not be fired. Ridiculous. The principal does not like to report anything is wrong because in the reports they have to send to the state board of education, the more problems the school has, the less money they get, so they do not report anything is wrong. Report cards were given out Friday and the teacher wrote that she was a very good student, and a pleasure to have her in the class. Why write that when all you do is pick on her. To protect herself when things get tough. Thank you for letting me vent.
Public School
My husband and I have two special needs children and homeschooling was the best thing we could have ever done for them. My oldest child is learning up a storm and my youngest child is going to start being home-schooled next year. We both work full-time and we still find time to homeschool. It does not take as much time as you would think. There is just you teaching your kids and it goes a lot faster and they learn faster. We thought we could not homeschool, but we were forced to as the public school did nothing for our son and now nothing for our other child. You can do more than you think you can if you have to. Good luck!
anyone who has to come to a public board like this
Anyone who has to go on a public board/forum and brag on and boast about ANYTHING- ( about A MAN, no less *L*).....just makes most posters question the credibility of such posters. Anyone who is truly happy....has no need to type all this on a public forum....nor to hang out on one....
the hubby *put you on a pedestal* so now you can reach the keyboard....*lol* -
Now really, all the nasty, antagonistic posters, and in this particular thread, should get off their mommy's computers and go outside and play because from my view, it's a spectacularly gorgeous day outside
*laughs*
PUBLIC PLACES
I love animals; however, I have a life-threatening allergy to dander. Keep your animals home, love them, and enjoy them in YOUR space.
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Public Pet Peeves
I enjoyed reading the post below about the different "social pet peeves". Does anyone else have any that were not mentioned? Let's see, we had pets out in public, children misbehaving in restaurants, and smoking outside public places. Any others?? Let's share - let yourself be heard!
Some of the public really OJ haters, myself
I watched all the trial, every last second of it and came out with the same conclusion the jury reached- NOT guilty. You and others just cannot seem to get over what a jury decides and their word is final.
It might be public knowledge but
how you obtain is another matter. You cannot get someone in a public office (as stated below) to ramble through a persons records. That my dear is against the law and that is what was said and not only that but if the person committed crimes when a child or teenager, those records are sometimes totally off limits and closed to the public. I also have people in law enforcement but if I needed information, would not have them go through the records to get for me and risk losing their livelihood.
Umm, yes, you were. You are on public board
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So what exactly has he done for the public good
in the last 30 years?
While breastfeeding in public does not necessarily
offend me, I think some discretion is absolutely necessary and some things are better done in private. God also made our bodies for procreating, but we wouldn't want to see that done in public, either. JMO. 
I need to vent about our public school....sm
My daughter is in the 1st grade. While in kindergarten her teacher became ill and was out of the classroom more than in it for over a month and then ended up having to leave permanently after being out for 2 months. During this time they had parapros in the classroom but all of the kids in her class got behind because of the inconsistent teaching. Finally in March they split the class up and moved the kids into other classrooms, but by the end of the year each of the 15 kids were behind their peers because of the true instruction time they had missed, through no fault of their own.
Now fast forward to 1st grade. Some of the kids had managed to catch up but others haven't, including my daughter. She is now reading on a level 3 and should be on a level 5 or 6. Math-wise she is way behind as well as her reading level is below normal. She is currently in a classroom with 27 kids and has ADD, but it is very easily managed when she is given tasks in small increments and visual cues to work with (i.e. write math problems for her and she can do them but ask her to do them in her head and she struggles).
My husband & I met with the school yesterday because of the concerns about her being behind and in the student support team meeting, consisting of the school system psychologist, special education teacher, her teacher, principal and vice principal, we were told that they don't have the resources to work with her to meet her needs and that by the No Child Left Behind federal laws they don't have to address her needs individually until she is 6 months to a year behind her peers. Why do they WANT kids to get this behind before helping them? We know she is smart - she has an IQ of 92, but she needs to have the distractions caused by the 26 kids in her classroom removed and they won't do anything about it because all other 1st grade classes have 26 kids, and the only one that doesn't have that many is a class full of kids that are learning English. We are working with her at home but it's ridiculous to send her to school 7 hours a day and then tutor her at home because the teacher won't take 2 minutes to explain instructions on a task to her. I told them that I don't want her to have to go to special education in the future because she's behind and that I'd prefer that a way to get her caught up and kept on level with where she would be should be what the goal is - not wait until she's very behind. Their response was "well over the upcoming Holidays we can send home LOTS of things for you to work on with her."
Home schooling isn't a good option for her and her psychologist has agreed that she needs the classroom interaction with other kids. If it weren't for that I'd home school her in a nannosecond, even if that meant giving up everything outside of my regular work day to educate her.
I've talked to a couple of private schools in the area and one school wasn't really any better, has 1 teacher per 20 kids in 1st grade. The other school could take her and has currently 5 kids per teacher for 1st grade with good test results . It's ridiculous that we're being forced to consider paying for private school because the public schools don't care.
I'm sure others have run into these same type of situations. What did you do - continue working with the public schools, turn to home schooling or private school?
My battle with public schools
I will try not to get to long-winded here, but I wanted to let you know my experience with public schools. My youngest of 3 boys has extreme expressive language delay. His first word was at 4.5 and was Mama. No autism, no physical reasons. In every other aspect, he was normal.
After he was no longer eligible for state intervention after 3 years of age, we paid for private speech therapy but that was killing us and our insurance did not cover it. So we decided to enroll him in the preschool 4 year old program the following year.
It was a nightmare two weeks experience. The principal of the school would not let parents walk their kids to class. I was expected to bring my 4 year old nonverbal scared child to the front door and some teacher would escort him. In that two weeks, we had many meetings trying to resolve the problems. In addition, my son began to act out in extreme ways, peeing, screaming, hitting, kicking. It was not normal for him at all.
Finally, that Friday of the second week, it all came to an head for me. My son was screaming and hiding under the steering wheel that morning. I was crying. It had been a nightmare dealing with an insane school bureaucracy to get help, my husband being no help and saying we just needed to give it more time, and my little formerly sweet son acting out so savagely.
I decided that was it. He was only 4 for goodness sake. I went in to remove him from school. I was met in the office (the only place parents could go in the building - I swear this is true!) by the principal and told that I was to leave my child there, leave, or she would call the police!
This woman was something else. She refused to listen to any of my concerns, and refused at all to let me go into the classroom! I literally begged in tears in her office to **allow** me to go to my son's class to help so I could see what was going on. Parents were not allowed to help out in school unless on special days, like field day.
A shouting match ensued - and I mean my mama bear came roaring out. My son was there with me, clinging to my leg for all he was worth, listening to the principal and I scream at each other. Because the principal literally screamed at me back. It was without a doubt one of the worst experiences in my life. Teachers came running to see what was going on...my son's teacher was there trying to calm me down. I left that building with my son and have never been back.
My husband came racing home from work, I was so hysterical when I called, fearing they would take our child away from us. There were phone calls the next couple days from the school superintendent - Oh, we're so sorry. She's a new principal. She will be talked to about this. Come back, etc.
By that time, I was in battle fatigue and scared to death of my child being taken away. Fast forward now 5 years...He is talking up a storm, reading, very good in math, and is back to his sweet and gentle self. We chose homeschooling. We didn't want to really but couldn't afford private schools.
We got swept up in a great co-op that has become our pseudo-school. He takes classes there and has made very good friends. The kids were all very accepting of him from the first and did not tease at all about his speech. Last year, at graduation ceremonies, he read a booklet so clear and perfectly pronounced. One of the mom's put her arm around me because she knew what a long journey it has been for him.
So, that's my story. Sorry so long. For my other two sons, my eldest is in high school public school. My middle son couldn't stand being in school with his younger brother having so much fun in co-op and we homeschool him too.
Non-handwashers in public restrooms...
and they are everywhere! You should be ashamed if this hits close to home!
The worst for me are spitting in public,
it makes me almost lose it and then smacking gum so loud every time your jaw opens and closes, so loud and do not even try to eat at my table and suck, slurp and go on, you gotta go!
Georgia has a no public smoking law...sm
and it's great going to restaurants, stores, etc without smelling cigarettes. Restaurants can only allow smokers if they don't admit anyone under age 18 and they have to have a ventilation system that meets a certain strict criteria with the state.
in other words, he's saying what he thinks he should say in public.
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i resigned from public news
Many years ago I realized I was hearing the same news I was hearing 10, 20, 30, 40 years before. I loved radio talk shows, which I still believe to be a very good education. I read the daily newspaper. I asked myself how it benefitted me. I realized it didn't, in fact, it was a very negative thing in my life. I tend towards depression anyway, and I don't need any help, thank you. I stopped any input of news in my home except what is necessary to be a good u.s. citizen. Politics are a monstrosity, but it's what we got. I know enough to get by and make the most intelligent choices I can for me. I don't bother watching all the campaigning along the way, though. I wait until the time is close, then analyze what's out there. Minimalization for me! I believe the world could literally fall into the ocean and I wouldn't know it until I'm going on in. By that time, so long, it's been good to know ya. :)
I meant to say I do that at a public restroom not my own.
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Think about who pays for public school.
People in the local district pay school and property taxes, so they pay for their schools. Or, more precisely, they pay for the young people in their district to be educated, since it's not just parents who pay these taxes.
So, no. Students may not freely transfer to other public districts, because their parents or guardians have not paid taxes in other districts.
In our district, we paid the taxes before we had children. We paid the taxes while our children were growing up, even though our children attended Catholic schools and we paid tuition. Now that our children are grown, we continue to pay taxes. I don't mind paying the taxes, because it's part of my civic duty to help to educate ALL the young people in our community.
But having your child occasionally cry in public is...
not a crime. My guess is that some children - not mine of course - just have sour personalities. You, of all people, should understand that!
Update on my public school situation....sm
Last week I posted frustrations with the public school not wanting to do anything about my 1st grader being behind until she is at least 6 months behind, even though right now she is "very behind" her peers due to multiple reasons, including her kindergarten teacher being out a lot of last year.
My husband & I have decided to move her to a private school, the one she went to pre-K at and where there will be a total of 6 kids in her class when she moves there at the beginning of the year. The assistant principal and teacher for her grade will be working with her during the regular school day to catch up where she's behind. Our daughter is very happy that she's switching schools and that 3 of the kids in her class there are kids she went to pre-K with.
We're planning to put our house on the market in the spring (long-term plan) and if we're able to move before the summer is over to an area where the public schools will service her better and we like the area we'll move; otherwise she'll stay at the private school until we try to move in a couple of years after our oldest daughter graduates from high school in 2008.
Thank you everyone for the feedback - it helped us in the decision making process. We're very comfortable with our decision and at a meeting with our daughter's psychologist and her caseworker yesterday they both felt this was the best thing we could do for her both short-term and after our adoption is finalized for her hopefully in January.
I'm not aware of any standards at public places
And to add to your point about Mexicans, all their dirty business is NOT only under their fingernails. Have you not heard of the gangs they have all over this country...something 13 or another they call themselves. They are viscious, ruthless people, and are going into areas where they think the local law officials won't be on to them. They try to intimidate and scare communities into silence so they can get their garbage drug trade and smuggling stuff going in silence. Our prisons are so full of illegals, they can't hold the legals, but of course, lets not gather them up and deport them back to their wonderful country...lets house and feed them, give their kids a free education better than they're getting there, free healthcare, the list goes on and on. Now, our president wants to make sure they can get SS benefits....for WHAT? In our community, you can go into Wal-Mart late in the evening and our stores are full of young Mexicans, mother, father, and always a baby, maybe 2 or 3, but where do you suppose they were born? The parents can't or won't speak English (since they want to be a loyal US citizen). My daughter teaches a school where the kids abound and their parents are most likely illegal, but until we stop this practice of giving citizenship to an illegal born in this country, this will never change. I'm with Ron Paul on this one....we can't keep a sovereign nation when we allow an invasion of our country. We can't absorb these people into our communities without major negative consequences.
I agree, let the general public take care of them; I will.
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HA! Same spider that made me fall down in public (sm)
One of my most embarassing moments!! I was in a busy public area with a park in the middle. I decided to cut through the park and walked right through a web of one of those and the spider was on my face!!! I fell onto the ground, freaking out, flailing like a madwoman. When I finally got up and realized what I had just done, I couldn't wait to get the heck out of there, but I kept shaking my clothes and brushing my hair, just in case!!
When you post a vent on public board, must be
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Birth records are public but are listed under
child's name - not parents - so not sure you could find out this way.
Well, I was not on a teen-role model, not in the public eye
no one was looking to me and I got myself into trouble and had more sense than to know I wanted to nor could I raise a child at my age(by the way, not 16, older). I assumed responsibility because I took care of things, did not regret then nor now and never have. She, from what I hear, did not tell her mother until well past the time she could have gotten an abortion, sounds like she wanted to be pregnant. I have absolutely no regrets about things I have done in the past.
I didn't say 'cry in public occasionally' - I said
HUGE difference, there.
Since they are in the public eye, they must do it. John Edwards is lower
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or youcan say that you are allergic to scales, but only in public!..LOL!...nm
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I should mention that I am 42, have 2 children and done with having children. nm
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You must a) not have children or b) your children are young
I don’t see them as being spoiled- I see lots of kids in the age group of one (30+) who are totally in the me scene, not just the 1 I have- she married and her husband same - a me type person. The other not spoiled but just got nasty when he did not get the money left to me and he thought he should. Just to think, this was my chosen 1 if I had to choose. Oh well, live and let live is the way I see things now.
Gotta vent about a public school situation....sm
There are 2 kids in my daughter's class of 26 1st graders that can't read, and my daughter can barely read. We have a horrible teacher who basically doesn't care and refuses to spend any individual time with these kids because she tells you she has too many kids to do that, and the principal doesn't care because the kids aren't at least 6 months behind their peers. The school board leaves it up to the individual schools. My husband & I are strongly considering home schooling her since she's learning more at home with us since we started tutoring her than she is at school.
Yet, at this very same school, they have 1 teacher per 7 students for the ESL class of kids that don't know English, and of course I'm willing to bet that these kids are either illegal immigrants or their parents are illegal since they don't know the language at all (in our area of the country).
It's not right that federal laws require we teach these people our language and the schools have to hire teachers to teach them the language, yet our truly American kids, born of American parents, can't get anything but teachers that are overwhelmed with large class sizes.
They should take away public voting and go back to judges votes and they should
like 6 so then it's more fair. Randy calls it like it is, Paula can never say the truth is someone isn't very good, and Simon while I agree with him most of the time is rather vile.
if you're talking certified public accountant
You could contact the AICPA (American Institute of Certified Public Accountants). They are supposedly responsible for professional discipline.
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