Iams and Science Diet are considered quality pet foods and they
Posted By: were recalled. What are you talking about? nm on 2007-05-08
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considered quality foods by whom? sm
I have heard many negative things about both of these pet foods for years. I do not consider them to be quality foods, by a long shot, and this was even before the tainted food scandal. That's what I am talking about.
I don't like Science Diet
either. I try to read the ingredients on pet foods when deciding which ones to buy, and it seems like Science Diet is full of by-products and useless stuff. So why when I go to the vets does he prescribe my cat Science Diet for UTI?? Do they not know what foods are good and which ones aren't. And I'm sure if I asked the vet which food to put my new puppy on, he would probably say Science Diet. I've been buying Royal Canin for my dogs, but now with the recall, don't know if I trust them either.
Iams
This is not a rumor, it's fact. I don't care if it happened yesterday or two years ago. It shouldn't have happened at all. The company only changed their testing methods after public outcry against them. It's all about the almighty dollar for these companies without regard for animal suffering.
It scares me too, I have using Iams dry
for over 20 years with good luck thus far, canned friskies as an evening treat and so far, everyone is still healthy (knocking on wood). I am scared to switch to anything because of all this stuff, I love my cats, don't want to lose them.
I'd give them all IAMS......make it easy on yourself
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IAMS is owned by Proctor and Gamble.
All of their products are tested like she said. What she states is very true!
our dog's brother (our neighbor has him) had Iams DRY food sm
and got horribly sick. This was back in early EARLY February - took him to the vet with dark urine, vomiting, diarrhea, lethargy, would not eat his food for 3 days, etc. Had always been on Iams Smart Puppy dry food but this was a new bag. Vet did emergency exploratory surgery and biopsies. Found nothing but inflammation. Took him home after 1 week of IV fluids and special food, then she tried MY Iams Smart Puppy dry and he did fine for 2 days. So she went back to the original bag and fed him - 6 hours later he was retching again and miserable. She contacted Iams and they had her send in 2 cups of the food for testing. This was mid-February by now. She has since been contacted by Iams who swears up and down the food was fine (but they said they only checked it to make sure it had the right ingredients in it - did NOT test for contaminants) and said melamine wouldn't cause irritation anyway (hello - let's see how calm YOUR innards look after 3+ days of throwing up and diarrhea). She is absolutely livid at Iams and the runaround and outright lies they are giving her. She still has the bag - I told her to get the food independently tested for contaminants and then tell Iams she needs reimbursement for her $2500+ vet bills. And the kicker is this is the sweetest little puppy you could ask for - her son was just devastated when he got so sick and she feels guilty for feeding this food to him. Grrrr. Gets my blood boiling even typing about it.
If she has had all the math and science
prerequisites, it doesn't matter what grade she is in when she takes it. My son took it in 10th grade with the seniors, but was a couple years ahead of his grade in math and science classes. His teacher also just gave them the work,and they were pretty much on their own. My son reads math and physics books for fun, so he was all right, but he had some seniors asking him for help throughout the year.
If this is her first year of high school, that's probably stressing her out too. She may want to wait till next year or later to take it until she is more comfortable with the high school routine.
Quality not quantity, I always say. LOL
Of course if you can have both quality AND quantity, more power to ya, I say.
Oh yeah, and that goes for sex, too. (grin)
we still have it but i think it's now called "consumer science"
used to be economics now it's science - wow
i'm only down on home ec because a long time ago i worked with a former home ec teacher who somehow lost her job as a teacher and she was a total b*tch
My mom donated her body to science - sm
so we had nothing. She did not want us to do anything. We did mail a note to all my parents friends, etc. letting them know she had died, etc. but that was the extent of it. I said "goodbye" to my mom in the hospital morgue. They gave me a very hard time about it and did not want to let me but I insisted, explaining we were not having a funeral, etc. Took them an hour to arrange it once they finally agreed to let me see her. My brother and dad went with me, though I would have rather been alone. My dad already said his goodbyes in the room as did my brother. I drove up 4 hours so I could that night. My other brother did not make it though. His wife I think is the only one that has had a problem with the fact that there was no funeral or memorial service. We all just took things from the house that reminded us of mom and I think that helped. I have my mom's old recliner and I sit in it sometimes and talk to her. Plus when we get together we openly talk about mom and past events, etc., even my dad does despite his re-marriage and I know he is very happy in his marriage. But all in all we have all been fine with it, I think it helps to know my mom hated funerals, was not that religious, and we honored her wishes.
I think it depends on your definition of quality...sm
Iams, Eukanuba Science Diet, Purina Pro Plan, Nutro, etc. (found at Petsmart, Petco) are considered 'premium' foods, and they *are* better quality than, say, Purina Pedigree, Walmart's Ol' Roy (~shudder~), Kibbles N Bits, and other such brands that can be found in your local grocery store.
Just look at the ingredients. The cheaper, grocery store brands have grains as the very *first* ingredient (rice, corn, whatever) - not meat, or even meat meal. Dogs are carnivores. They need very little in the way of grains (carbs) - they need meat, but of course grains are cheaper than meat.
I guess it just depends on what you can afford to feed, and how important you think diet is. There have been lean times, long ago, when we've had to feed Pedigree to our dogs. (Not for long, thank goodness.) As we've been able, we've 'upgraded' so to speak. We went from Pedigree to Authority (which is a Petsmart brand) to Iams, to Eukanuba, to now, Innova (except my senior is on prescription Science Diet L/D for his elevated liver enzymes - though that may change as I've never been a fan of Science Diet & it doesn't seem to be helping anyway...)
But, if you can afford to feed better food, the premium brands are a step up from the 'grocery store' brands. Even better are the 'super premium' foods that can't be found in Petsmart or Petco. You usually have to find a small local distributor for these brands (Innova - what we currently feed, Flint River, Canidae, Solid Gold, etc. are considered super premium).
A step above the 'super premium' dry food is super premium canned food (because it has even more meat), and then a step above that is preparing the food yourself, with fresh ingredients (there are some good books out there for this, but I'm not that ambitious yet!)
I wish I had a good website to direct people to for all this. Most of this stuff I learned from the Siberian Husky listserv group I used to belong to. It's interesting stuff.
I agree with the person who said vets aren't experts on pet food. They aren't, because they aren't nutritionists. And from what I've heard, many vets are heavily influenced by Science Diet, (and other companies) starting from the time they're in vet school. As I said, Science Diet has never impressed me.
What I'm not quite understanding in all of this is why some people seem to be blaming individual pet food brands, when the problem came from a tainted ingredient that went to so many *different* brands.
The thing is, there are a lot of pet food companies, but there aren't a lot of pet food ingredient *manufacturers* here in our country. So I wouldn't hold this current tainted pet food problem against any certain brands, because I don't think we can really trust any brand where any of their ingredients come from outside our country, which *I think* means most brands other than maybe some of the super premiums. (Don't quote me on that though, I'm still investigating!)
Try Catherine's - nice quality sm
dresses and pant sets; can order online or local stores.
Silhouettes has good quality clothes as well; i think they are only catalog / online.
For good quality alfalfa
its running 16.99 a bale (gulp), but I get 1.00 discount for 10 or more. I don't have a big storage area, so unfortunately I can't buy it buy the ton & not expect it to get moldy.
I was an animal science major in college and...
my poultry professor said that fresher eggs are harder to peel. The problem is that you can't tell from the store which the older eggs are because when they expire, they just repackage them with newer dates and send them back out because they only go bad if there is a defect in the shell.
I posted this below. It is not envy, it is rocket science!
There is an algorithmic formula for how many responses to a post before the conversation deteriorates. So next time you feel free to be me, realize you were just sucked in to a math equation
i find the science in the Bible pretty tangible,
ie, that this world is a sphere, suspended in heaven (vs. flat), about the paths/currents under the sea, and more -- these were written WAYYYYYY before 'man' discovered same. Those are tangible facts or science. However, science nowadays isn't necessarily fact -- too much theory purported as science...
Laughing, HARD! Looks like a science experiment...I VOLUNTEER!
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I ran over my science teacher at the dinner table because Big Bird said to. nm
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Keep a stash of quality dark chocolate around at all times. For
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Mowing in the evening hours improves air quality...
My son has asthma. I've learned learned a thing or two about air quality and air pollution.
I don't know if this is why the OP's neighbor is mowing late, but I mow late and yet I get it done before 10 p.m.
Quite frankly, I think some of you all are being a bit sensitive! And just as much as your right to peace and quiet is being infringed upon, you are trying to infringe upon your neighbors rights to do what he wants in his own yard and inside is own house!
Not rich or snooty either, just love good quality
items and buy them when I want. Who wants to shop at the local mall and get something that everyone else wears and see it all over town? Just like jewelry; I don't wear the average items you see advertised every holiday season that everyone wears and every jewelry store sells. My guy gets my things made at a one of kind store, where at least I know I'm probably the only one who has it.
Because my biological child is a high school science teacher who
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You're confusing Scientology with Christian Science Church.sm
The Church of Christ, Scientist, believers do not generally utilize medicine or doctors. This is a completely different entity than the Church of Scientology, which is what the Travoltas belong to. Scientologists use medical drugs when physically ill and also rely on the advice and treatment of medical doctors. But, as Tom Cruise made us all aware, they don't believe in the use of psychotrophic meds.
I was in Macy's recently, the INC line is pretty good quality, I think.
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Soft high-quality black & red licorice bites.
Oh my gosh I found this kind that the store Target sells that are made in Australia, and they are just the best pieces of confection I have ever put in my pie hole.
Now it is considered, get this
astronaut stress. Well, I have QA stress. Anyone got a knife?
Well have you considered
dental hygiene? My other sister does that and last I heard made around $200 a day. She has a 2-year degree.
Oh BTW, am considered senior so
noticed how you signed and am sure probably older by lots of years than you!!
Have you considered a Kodak? sm
I just bought a Z712 IS, it is 7.1 megapixels, with 12X optical. It is really nice. I just upgraded from another Kodak with 4 MP and 10X optical that I've used over the last 4 years, taken thousands of pictures (daughter's high school years and marching band - some pictures even made it into the yearbook). So, was really excited about getting one with 7.1 megapixels, and 12x optical. Tried a few shots last night and they were great. Anyway, they have them on e-bay. We've been really happy. It is considered refurbished, but was never used before. Not a problem with our old camera.
and at what point is it considered
is it okay to spank as long as you only do it 3 times? or maybe if you only hit on the bottom? or maybe you "spank" with a belt? or whatever other object you can get your hands on?
The problem with spanking is some adults don't know when to stop. I, too, was beaten with a belt as a child and I have never laid a belt to my children and never will. Spanking with a belt is BEATING. I was "slapped" across the face numerous times as a child for speaking out of turn, and to this day, I still wince when my mom gets upset and raises a hand. It's not respect for my parents that I have in these instances, its fear. It's a shame that too many adults have come to confuse the two.
Have you considered Dyson? sm
We have had a Dyson for about four or five years now, and I adore it. You just would not believe what all it picks up. Hubby and I both have allergies AND indoor cats, and if we use the Dyson as often as we should, we can tell a significant difference. We bought ours after trying a friends. They are lighter weight than the Rainbows and Kirbys, and also have an added advantage of being significantly cheaper. Just a thought.
HC
foods
I think you may be on to something with the diet - I worked with someone once who also had 3 boys and the youngest had some behavior probs that sound similar to your son's. . She changed his diet - cut out sugar and some other things (can't remember what) and she said he was like a completely different child. . It sounds nearly impossible that diet could make that much difference, but maybe it does. . I also agree you should keep searching for a counselor/psychiatrist until you find one that can help.
what are the 6 bad foods?
I really did not see that on her web site, but I do need to lose a little weight. I have never had a problem until this perimenopause, and now, I have middle aged spread! It is a little hard on my ego and my knees!
foods that I will not eat is...sm
Is head cheese. Other than that, I will eat anything, aside from insects. Anything spicy, and I mean seriously spicy, is my favorite. Seafood, including raw (sushi, oysters and alike) is my favorite. Organ meats are awsome. I make the best chopped liver. I also make my own schmaltz. No opinions on goat voiced here, but it is excellent. I die and go to heaven for Indian food. I have learned to make my own, including naan. You people are making me hungry. My husband is disgusted by what I eat, but I say great, more for me! 
foods that I will not eat is...sm
Is head cheese. Other than that, I will eat anything, aside from insects. Anything spicy, and I mean seriously spicy, is my favorite. Seafood, including raw (sushi, oysters and alike) is my favorite. Organ meats are awsome. I make the best chopped liver. I also make my own schmaltz. No opinions on goat voiced here, but it is excellent. I die and go to heaven for Indian food. I have learned to make my own, including naan. You people are making me hungry. My husband is disgusted by what I eat, but I say great, more for me!
But a lot of things are considered sins...
Like living together, sex outside of marriage, even using birth control of any kind, depending on your religious beliefs. Yet all grocery stores carry magazines and tabloids that report on celebrities and other people doing those things and more, and books (fiction and nonfiction) with that kind of thing. Why are those books and magazines with hetero sins any different from the ones with homosexuality? Isn't sin, sin? And it's everywhere, so how far do you want to take your boycott? I really do respect your opinion and your right to it. I just don't quite understand it.
I don't understand why some people seem to have such a seething *hatred* of homosexuals. I mean, gay people are just people, like anybody else. Some good, some bad. I don't want to know what they do in the privacy of their own home, but I don't want to know what hetero people do in the privacy of their own home, either! Either way, as long as it's two consenting adults, why would I care? It's none of my business.
BTW, I just saw Brokeback Mountain on HBO for the first time the other night. I thought it was heartbreaking. To think that two people who love each other so much could never really be together. How is that okay? (Yes, I know it was fiction, but it happens/has happened in reality.) I just think that's so incredibly sad. Don't we need more love in this world?
Okay, off my soapbox!
It is considered a double negative, sm
and not standardly use. Use "regardless", or "irrespective". It is considered bad grammar.
Considered being the driver instead of the passenger?
I too have RLS. I have found that for some reason I do much better as the driver than as a passenger. Can't explain it but it's true.
Have considered it before - would they listen to me, his wife? (sm)
Would I have to show proof?
What exactly is considered Middle Class?
Unless I heard wrong last night, during the debate, $250,000 is considered "Middle" class. I don't think so.
Anyone?
18 IS legally considered an adult.
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Is Express Scribe considered a FTP?--nm
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anybody know if organ donation was considered? nm
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Well, there's an angle I hadn't considered...
Good point, longtimeMT...I hadn't considered the possibility that her 'type' are usually the ones on the boards of HOAs. The ones who think they know what's best for everyone.
I'm giggling so hard at her ludicrous posts that I fear I might wet myself. Talk about pretentious! I'll take my cozy little apartment with my hubby and pets and the WARMTH and LOVE therein over her snooty TRACT HOUSING any day.
Too bad she doesn't appear to realize she isn't IMPRESSING us, she's ENTERTAINING us!!!
Even higher bill w/3 cells & a land line, but sound quality & customer service are good.
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I agree and I, too, try to eat foods without--sm
all these additives, such as hormone free chicken and no antibiotics. Finding foods without these are costly and difficult to find, but worth the cost to me.
As far as any warnings, I doubt it. They only warn about what the FDA tells them to warn about. Unless forced, they will not disclose anything, and that includes the pet food, as well. It is really sad when we cannot even trust our food manufacturers to potentially threaten our very lives with these things, just to make a buck!
I will be going to Whole Foods today to look for some of that - thanks! (nm)
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native foods
Coca-Cola, Little Debbie, Moon Pie, Krystal burgers (like White Castle)
What is considered appropriate if a neighbor's relative passes away. SM
My neighbor's uncle passed away. She and I are friends, but not best friends, we basically see each other every day as we walk our dogs and we talk every day. Her uncle just passed away and I was unable to go to the wake. The funeral is today, but I cannot go to that either. What is the appropriate thing to do here, a card, flowers, what? Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks.
Have you considered a home equity loan to
pay off all your credit cards?
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