I don't understand the ethics of the doctors involved
Posted By: here. on 2009-01-29
In Reply to: Mother of the new 8 babies, single and has 6 OTHER CHILDREN ALREADY - 3 is a crowd, 14 is ridiculous!
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Ethics
Taking an ethics class right now and just touched on this subject. I am stunned at how many of my classmates were against this...
Ethics, she owes big time,
otherwise why the secret from her husband? Saving her own tail.
judeo-christian ethics ??
does it have to be Christian values - or would Jewish values work as well - does that bible someone is holding to include the old testament as well as the new ????
Medical Ethics Question.
You are a doctor. You have an 80-year-old patient with stage 4 cancer, who has just finished radiation treatments. The patient is on Medicare. You (the doctor) know of a new drug that "might" slow the cancer, but it has not been approved by Medicare yet, and the cost is $1000 per week.
Do you recommend this drug to this patient's family?
I had a medical ethics class a year ago and
The topic was centered around how far we should go with reproductive assistance.
After examining the issue, discussing implications, and much thought and my own soul searching, I made a big change of mind.
I decided to change my position to being against any reproductive technique that does not allow a couple to become pregnant through natural means. No artificial insemination. No saving eggs or sperm for later implantation. Only surgery or techniques performed on an individual that allow them to procreate in a natural manner.
So much was involved with the decision on my stance and it was a difficult one because I know people personally that this would affect. I guess that is why we have varying opinions.
Scorching topic.
Aha! That's what my daughter's book says is in the "code of ethics" for dogs (sm)
That they and cats must pretend to hate each other in the presence of humans! LOL!
Doctors don't always know
Unless there is a close proximity to eating a new food or being exposed to something unusual and then developing a rash, a lot of times it is impossible to determine what the culprit is. It could be anything from a new brand of cereal to someone's cologne where he works. They will only send him for allergy testing if he continues to have repeated problems.
Oh, but doctors are much
too important to see people for ear infections and sore throats, especially for just a copay, LOL.
For something routine yet urgent like that, I don't mind seeing an NP, but I don't like waiting 3 hours at an urgent care when I have strep throat with fever and chills.
And I want my medical professional trained in this country and speak English I can understand.
My current doctor is usually pretty good, but her office hours are short, closing at noon on Friday, but if I call her after that she will often call something in or advise after hours if she's on call.
But what is it about skin problems? I don't care if it's a PCP or a dermatologist, if you have a problem with itching or nonhealing wounds, I can't get any respect or real help. What's the problem?
I have many doctors who say is
instead of are. One more I hate--"This is a patient that" instead of who. We should all know that patient's are people unless you transcribe for a vet.--an libary
Why do doctors do this?
First they make you wait out in the lobby and then they make you wait in the examining room. I don't mind a wait as long as I can be in the lobby and talk/see people. I despise having to wait for a long time in the exam room. I get lonely.
I wish the nurses could time it so you only had to wait in the examination room 5-10 minutes.
Not involved
NM
I would have never ever gotten involved with my
I only did because he accepts my biracial son and is a father to him. I guess you can say I settled. He loves me totally and completely but I cannot love him and will not marry him. ever.
Difficult based on taste, easy based on ethics.
I was a vegetarian for 10 years, then a vegan for about 5 before meeting my husband, i.e. Mr. Barbecue. He thinks he will die of starvation if he doesn't have some form of animal flesh on his plate at least twice daily. I do eat meat minimally now but not without guilt about the way the animal was raised and slaughtered. I don't believe meat is healthy either, esp. because of the hormones, antibiotics and unnatural feed commercial livestock receives. I have free-range chickens and use their eggs, and I buy raw milk from a local small farmer whose cows graze freely on organic grass. I am working my way back to a meat-free diet in spite of my DH. Can't wait to shed the 20 pounds of animal-fat blubber I've accumulated and get my cholesterol level back down to where it used to be! You just have to give peas a chance.
i refused to go out with doctors
as i sure didn't want to be married to one...(didn't want that lifestyle) but wish you the best!
I know and have worked with several doctors
Actually as a Transcriptionist I was glad because so many times you'd get Dr. Smith (if they got married, then which one?) Well, if they keep their maiden name or at least hyphenate it that made my life a lot easier. I think it also may have something to do with the fact that if they are in practice, everything must be changed and imagine the expense? Also if they are well known, they maybe do not want to jeopardize that. As long as the couple is happy, and he is not offended, I think it is just fine. Congratulations! I would address the letter Drs. April Cox and Richard Grant. JMO. 
I know!! Aren't there any other doctors? - LOL (sm)
It's our little half hour escape to fantasy land!
I know doctors don't always have the answers
I've been in the medical field since 1971.
I was just venting a little - we were so relieved it wasn't bedbugs, and we were hopeful that we would find the real cause and be able to eliminate it. It was kind of a let-down when we didn't.
As far as we know, my husband hasn't been exposed to anything unusual at home or on the job, and his food intake has been normal - nothing unusual.
The only thing we can think of is we moved into this house late last summer, so he did mow the grass a couple of times, but of course different things grow and bloom in the spring than in late summer and fall. He does generally have the usual allergies involving itching eyes, runny nose, sinus congestion, etc., but he has never had a reaction like this. He was a Boy Scout and went camping and hiking all the time, so I know he knows what poison ivy looks like! And it doesn't look like poison ivy rash.
Maybe somebody out there has had a similar experience and can help us - let me describe his symptoms. It usually starts out as a series of small red bumps that are in a fairly straight line. For example, in the crease of his right arm, there are about six little red bumps going straight down (proximal to distal) from the crease in a space of about 1.5 to 2 cm. There is another line, about 1 cm medial to that one, running up the arm (distal to proximal), about the same distance. When he scratches them (he tries not to, but sometimes you just gotta), they appear to turn into one big linear welt.
Any ideas? TIA. And many thanks to those who have been following our "saga". 
I can't stand doctors like that who won't
listen. At least a colonoscopy is good for about 10-15 years, LOL.
The doctors told us our son was going to die.
That was my worst Thanksgiving ever. It was in 1986.
DEAR DOCTORS
It has come to my attention that you all have a severe god complex disorder. While you may think that you are amazing and immortal, that does not mean that I hang on every burp, fart, yawn, snort, sniffle, gag and chewing noise that comes out of your body.
I know you may not realize that there is a LIVING BREATHING person at the other end of your dictation, but there is. One who is extremely grossed out by your bodily functions.
Also, if you don't understand already, time is money for us. Every minute you spend umming and hmming and shuffling papers, is money we lose. Every minute you spend flirting with the nurse who has just walked in the room is equal to about 11 lines of dictation for us. So please, say what you have to say and HANG UP.
So lets review: before you come in to dictate from now on please eat, clear your throat, blow your nose, use the restroom, take some Bean-o, get your papers in order, close the door (preferably lock it so the nurse can't come in), and get your thoughts in order. Then pick up the phone.
Thanks!
Your MT
As far as I know, doctors are allowed to do this
in certain states, but they still need the approval of the nearest relatives.
They do this if somebody is terminally ill and the patient himself expresses the wish that their life should be ended.
She can always change doctors. You
do not have to see the one they send to consult or whatever. It is the patient's right to choose their doctor (of course, as long as they are in their insurance plan).
Doctors here are down playing it.
They are telling us it is no worse than any other flu you get. They also say the worst is over. However, my daughters Girl Scout trip they were supposed to take tomorrow still got cancelled as with a lot of UIL events.
Doctors do not always listen
I needed bilateral ear surgery (typmanoplasty and mastoidectomy) not too long ago. The physician left it up to me which ear to do first, depending on my pain and hearing. I chose the left due to the amount of pain and drainage.
I reported to the hospital (a very prestigious teaching hosptial - in US New and World Reports top 5) that morning and the OR consent form stated the wrong ear. It said the right, rather than the left. I explained to the resident it was wrong and he proceeded to ARGUE with me, that I should just sign the consent form. I finally asked to see my own surgeon prior to signing and he agreed with me and changed it and reversed the OR equipment etc.
In my case it would not have made much difference since I needed 2 surgeries any way.
But what about the older, scared, and confused patient with no family there?
Maybe the patient did state the prima donna physician did not listen.
And I was involved with a CASA
before for stepgchildren and personally I did not find them to be that hot. They actually played a part in giving back the children to a strung-out mother who lived off the welfare system, never worked, lazy, good for nothing but they feel like "kids should be with their mothers." Ok, so they went back and last I heard the mother was gone and the kids out on the streets, oh well you live and learn. Mothers around not always the best.
Has anyone been involved with Meetup.com?
I've been thinking about starting a meetup group to get my daughter together with other girls her age who enjoy art and crafting. But I'm a little hesitant to start one because I don't have any experience with being involved in a group this way. I really wouldn't want to hold anything at my house right away with complete strangers, that would be something that could happen later on as we all got to know each other better. I would love to hear about experiences that people have had with any type of group that has met this way. Thanks!
There's a landlord involved here?
You have rights - if he is violating the rules and/or the law with respect to noise violations he either fixes the problem or moves. Check out the law in your state.
I didn't say I was getting involved - sm
I simply told the background and asked for positive thoughts for her and her son. That's it. I'm not going to tell her what to do.
Right now I am involved in about 15 things and I'm trying to sm
find a way to cut it down to half. If you are older and you don't have small kids, then I suggest getting involved in church more. I have 3 young sons so we are constantly going from ball practice to ball practice. In between that I teach 2 Sunday School classes, attend a mid-week Bible study, have lunch with husband every Friday, work out 4 days a week, work 25+ hours a week at MQ, visit friends and family out of town quarterly, PLUS I am involved heavily in 2 other major ministries at church - Pastor prayer partners and the Invitation Team.
If that isn't enough, I scrapbook like crazy and take lots of pictures.
I also write notes to people I haven't seen in a while, or I'll just write cards to people in general and tell them I'm praying for them and that takes an hour or so.
Oh, did I also mention that I am a freelance writer for a Christian publication?
I also write material and Bible studies for our church.
I used to bowl every Thur. morning, but quit that. May take up an evening league one night a week. I love to bowl.
I am up LATE every single night and hit the ground running early in the morning to start homeschooling. The only time I have to myself every single day is after 10 o'clock every night. If I need 2 hours I take 2 hours. If I need more sleep, then I'm in bed by 10:30. I take whatever time I need for myself every single day.
Find something you enjoy and just do it. Take a class at the library. Learn to quilt. Learn to sew. Learn to play an instrument. The key is doing something you enjoy doing: cooking, reading, etc.
Life is too short to waste doing nothing or sitting around wasting time. There's work to be done!!!!!!!
guess you'd say I'm really involved!
I was close to my mother's parents as a child. They were my second parents and I probably lived half the year on their farm. I see it as being a good thing for me. My GP lived way out in the woods and never drove "to town," so they only left home to attend weddings and funerals, otherwise my parent(s) took me there.
When my daughter was pregnant, I lived 1000 miles away, but we talked on the phone almost daily. When my GD was born, I was able to visit when she was 2 weeks old and I knew I had to move back to the area. She is a manipulative person and I had long ago set limits that I would do anything for her out of love that didn't involve money, so I kept my GD every other weekend and more if asked. I supported my daughter emotionally in every way I could. If she asked my opinion, I always tried to give a balanced opinion and never interfered when my opinion was not asked, although if something came up later I would try to offer options for a situation. When things fell apart for her, I am glad I was there to catch my GD so she was not lost to CPS. I am now adopting her.
I am blessed to be a grandmother...although I hope this is the only one :)
Grandparents are not involved much. . sm
It's funny you should ask this question today. My mom, who lives 90 minutes away, came for a visit. We haven't seen her in about 4 months. My 2-year-old didn't know who the heck she was and was scared of her for the first day she was here. We only see her 3 to 4 times a year. I wish we could see her more. My dad died when my oldest was one. He had never even met him.
My husband's parents have little to do with the kids. They live 20 minutes away, and we hardly see them. It really hurts because they always have my SIL's kids. They are the same age as my kids and spend almost every weekend at their house. During the summer, they spend even more time with them. After a couple of years of this, I finally asked them why they don't ever have my kids over. They said they will try to spend more time with them. Last summer, they invited the oldest to spend one night, and the SIL's kids were there. I am giving up. Sorry this got so long. I am really sad about this right now.
Involved with grandsons
age 15 and 8.... My DH & I sold our home as did my daughter and SIL. We bought one together. My daughter could not "bear" it if something happened to us so she pretty much decided this four years ago. So far it has worked out pretty well except I can't be involved with the grandsons spiritually as they are into another "type" of spiritual organization than I. That has been and probably always will be the most difficult task I have ever encountered to share my beliefs with them. I just continue to pray that everyone will be on the right path TOGETHER in the end.
One of the main doctors I work for
goes into a lot of detail about the patient's complaint and even what they think might be wrong wtih them. He also mentions personal things like if going to college, recently had a death in the family, etc. Hopefully you have typed a few of those and you can tell her that some doctors really do listen. Good Luck!
Guns versus doctors
Doctors
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services
Now think about this:
Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner .000188.
Statistics courtesy of FBI
So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!
Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention!
the doctors overdosed him can't blame him if he
now refuses to take it!
We'll have to swap doctors
For unclear reasons, the accent that gives me trouble is a Hispanic one (and I lived in CA for 20 years, so it shouldn't!). When the family watched the movie Bend it Like Beckham, the kids had to get me to translate both the Britsh and Indian accents into American English so they could follow the story.
Doctors with attitudes and other issues
Just got back from the neurologist's office. This is a doctor I have seen now approximately 3 times. I try my best to furnish any and all reports I think necessary for a physician either prior to seeing them for a particular issue or when I see them such as recent MRIs, lab tests, office notes and the like from another physician's office that I think might be pertinent to why I am seeing the present doctor.
Have foot issues (along with a couple other things) but 2 weeks ago I called 2 different podiatrists offices where I have recently been asking that they fax (given number) office notes to the neurologist. Both offices I had visited for the same exact foot issues, no diagnosis and no help. The neurologist did not have the information requested from the 2 other offices this morning, 2 weeks later. When I told him had lots to talk about he said well start. I did and then he told me I was supposed to have told all that information to the person who took my blood pressure, checked my reflexes and so on. Well, not a mind reader here and I told him had the other offices done as requested, then maybe he would have some information before him to go by.
Why, why are people not doing their jobs? It has nothing to do with the economy (this was happening at least 5 years ago when the economy better) but people are so slack now days it just ticks me off. Blowing smoke out ears as I write this.
CPS does tell if lawyer gets involved. have had every detail given to me before sm
when they were called in me for my kids riding their bikes in the neighborhood streets like every kid in the neighborhood did. we hired lawyer, refused the one on one investigation at school with the kids, and had the "meeting" at the laywers office. never allowed them in our home, but our lawyer got every detail of the report, which was passed onto us. we had the date, the name of the person who called, their address, everything.
I did try to get a consumer advocate involved
but no luck. Called 1 day and would not take my call, guess he had more important ones that day. I agree totally with you about getting a news channel involved, I just decided maybe if I went the court way might would stand a chance, knew I could go after their banking acct or garnishment if the courts on my side and it turned out that way. The price they owe me has gone up over $100 just for my court costs and now they owe those in addition to what it was in the first place. The courthouse steps is the way the county does where I purchased the furniture. We could have it at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, just as long as I retrieve what is owed.
How is it not a big deal when there are kids involved? (sm)
He has a choice - I have given him 10 years and he just does not care about my opinion. Why can he not change at all to keep his family together?
You talk like the only ones involved with big taxes
My father got killed in an accident, left me his property, I sold and for upcoming year MY taxes on that ALONE over $13,000.00. I did not fuss, I did not oh woe me- just put that money in the bank to draw interest until tax time. Know I owe and have that set aside. That does not count all the other taxes DH and I pay for the year and I sound like a grinch? Sure don’t get that remark. I am as much into keeping all that I can but EVERYONE (unless on welfare) has to pay their share, until and if they change the laws. I would be glad for any bonus he or I either one got but not happening here, so where does grinch come in?
Unless your son was involved in the incident, they probably would not inform you.
If the schools had to inform all parents of every single incident that occured between students, that could be a full-time job unto itself for 2 or 3 people in some schools. It sounds like the school took proper measures in disciplining the students involved in the incident.
As far as the post below regarding the 4th grade girl and her lies, I am sure that the boy in question knew what she was saying and may or may not have told his parent(s). At any rate, that would be a matter for the families of the children involved.
Illegal and all involved should be prosecuted.
NM
apologies heal all involved --
acknowledged or not.
I am inspired.
If you care about your kids, you will be involved sm
in the drama of high school life! I am very involved with my kids and their "drama" because I am a good listener and care about what my kids have going on in their life. I am there to listen to them and give them advice. Isn't that what parents are for?
I would throw the son a b-day party and if girls came, they came. If not, you can still have fun with just the boys. Do a campout for them. Sounds like the girl needs to get a life and get over it! She is just jealous.
Does not really matter why, especially if there are children involved
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Most doctors I know prefer women that are open....sm
and not trying to act like someone they aren't. Just treat him like a regular person and hopefully you'll have a great time.
Doctors who spell out simple words,
and leave you hang out to dry on the most obscure term or referring physician spelling if it is an odd name. I'll be darn though, they will spell out "the" t-h-e, p-a-t-i-e-n-t, but never the hard stuff... . ????? I wonder why? People using cell phones when they are driving and not paying attention. People that pull out in front of you, and then go 5 mph. I hate it when the grocery bagger puts all the soap products in with my meat or food goods! Great, now the roast smells like Dove Cucumber and Melon bar soap? Hubby is going to think this is delicious!!!!! UUGGHH!
Seek another opinion - alot of doctors are
hysterectomy-happy. I've typed many reports where women had hysterectomies "just in case." Seek another opinion or even two more opinions.
We need DOCTORS in charge of our health care,
!
She should check with her doctors, there are other meds that might not cause diarrhea.
Such as Prevacid, Aciphex, Protonix, or Nexium. (The GI doctors I work for say that any of these should be taken one hour before breakfast.)
Or Zegerid can be taken at bedtime. H2 blockers such as Tagamet, Pepcid, or Zantac also might help, they can be taken at bedtime. Her doctor or a pharmacist would be able to tell her if there's a problem with any of these while taking tamoxifen.
Also, it's important to eat the last meal of the day early and not lie down for at least a few hours after eating.
She could elevate the head of the bed (just putting more pillows there doesn't help) or get a wedge mattress or possibly one of those wedges to put under her pillow(s).
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