I agree with spay/neutering, but not with mandatory spay/neuter
Posted By: gd1 on 2007-07-19
In Reply to: Well said, as usual! The kitten was most likely - sm - Flibertygibbit
If this was a feral, mandatory spay/neuter would have been useless here, not to mention it is an infringement on personal rights, it gives the government too much control. However, what is needed is tougher punishment for animal cruelty, or cruelty of any kind really. This kitten thing and the ball player with the pit bulls is just sickening, all should be punished. Quite frankly, due to the outside predators, my cats do not go outside, I fear what people could do to them more than anything else. I also did rescue for more than 20 years and now raise show cats. Mandatory spay and neuter would kill off the pedigree cats and dogs that some people totally adore. Yes, there are bad breeders, but there are far more good ones. In my 18 years in the cat fancy, I have seen some bad ones, but the good ones far outweigh the bad. Don't punish everyone for what a few are doing.
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Mandatory spay/neuter was just passed in Calif -
and although we already have too many laws, if we hadn't passed this one, no one would both to spay/neuter. There are SO many unwanted animals out there - often because people are too lazy, or too cheap, too uneducated about what really happens to most of these animals, (or all of the above). The mandatory spay/neuter doesn't include breeders (who will pay for a license), but helps to close down some of the backyard breeders. I once had a cat that was a beautiful purebred, confiscated from BYB who kept 100's of them in squalid, inhumane conditions.
We should set up a website to spay and neuter
It seems to me neutering/spaying should be free
If it would take the burden off the shelters not to mention to cost of euthanize and disposing of the animals, free neutering/spaying would be the answer.
At this point, I feel that the SPCA is a failure. Many leave tons of money to the SPCA (my grandmother did, I know for sure) and I just cannot figure out why the problem is as bad as ever. Yes, we are in ag country and many first generation immigrants here from Mexico do not spay/neuter; almost as if it never occurs to them it is important.
I have a call into the Rescue Group. I talked to her earlier in the week and she basically said they were full.
Yes, am at my wits end. Just separated two from the other three and things are quiet now. They dug out of the area where I had them. Found several areas where they were digging so that explains why they were so quiet the first few days (excavating full speed ahead.)
Thanks for your reply ERMT. I needed someone to talk to as this painful for me.
Neutering also make a difference
Not immediately, but over a little time, they seem to settle in to a more serene frame of mind.
Go get him, but PLEASE neuter him!
I think you're a great person and you probably already had that in mind, but just in case. Good luck with the kitty.
I think it should be mandatory and here's why....sm
I've had 2 miscarriages. Prior to that I was able to see the ultrasounds. The 1st time we were expecting to see a normal growing baby and found out there was only a fetal pole and I subsequently had a partial spontaneous miscarriage. The second pregnancy we had the pleasure of seeing the baby's strong heartbeat, but then 3-1/2 weeks later on another ultrasound we saw that the baby had died and had no heartbeat.
Having seen a living heartbeat makes me even more convinced that women should have to see that when they choose to have an abortion that they are indeed ending the life of a person and not just as some people want to say "a thing".
While I lost both pregnancies I feel a closer bond to both babies knowing that at one time they were growing inside of me and my husband and I were able to see that.
I know that women get pregnant when they don't expect it, but ending the life of another person doesn't correct what happened. A good friend of mine gave birth after being raped because she could not end the life of another person because of what happened to her. She gave that child up for adoption so that a couple could have a child to raise. There are alternatives for women who don't want a pregnancy. I've also had 2 friends that had abortions and both of them say that they regret it because they often wonder what their child would have been like if they had not ended the child's life.
Mandatory recycling
What do ya'll think of a city making it mandatory to recycle? The city I live in (and will be moving from next month) has had recycling for a while, but it was by choice. I do not choose to recycle because of all the rules that go along with it - I do recycle newspaper and phone books for the schools - but not my household items - I think the city government is just going too far in requiring everyone to recycle. I think about the little elderly people who may not understand the rules or what can and cannot be recycled, etc. I'm not against helping the earth - I just don't think that the government should mandate it - it's alredy in the Bible - perhaps this could be made an issue of Church and State.
oh joy. there should be a retirement age, as in mandatory. NM
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Mandatory BBQ Rules!
BBQ RULES
We have entered the BBQ season. Therefore it is important to refresh your memory on the etiquette of this sublime outdoor cooking activity. When a man volunteers to do the BBQ the following chain of events are put into motion:
Routine...
(1) The woman makes the trip to the store, buys the food.
(2) The woman makes the salad, prepares the vegetables, and makes dessert.
(3) The woman prepares the meat for cooking, places it on a tray along with the necessary cooking utensils and sauces, and takes it to the man who is lounging beside the grill - beer in hand.
(4) The woman remains outside the COMPULSORY 3-METER EXCLUSION ZONE where the exuberance of testosterone and other manly bonding activities can take place without the interference of the woman.
Now here comes the important part:
(5) THE MAN PLACES THE MEAT ON THE GRILL.
(6) The woman goes inside to organize the plates and cutlery.
(7) The woman comes out to tell the man that the meat is looking great. He thanks her and asks if she will bring another beer while he flips the meat.
Important again:
(8) THE MAN TAKES THE MEAT OFF THE GRILL AND HANDS IT TO THE WOMAN.
More routine...
(9) The woman prepares the plates, salad, bread, vegetables,utensils, napkins, sauces, dessert and brings them to the table.
(10) After eating, the woman clears the table and does the dishes.
And most important of all:
(11) Everyone PRAISES the MAN and THANKS HIM for his cooking efforts.
(12) The man asks the woman how she enjoyed her 'night off ', and, upon seeing her annoyed reaction, concludes that there's just no pleasing some women.
Let's not have any slip-ups on this, 'kay?
Not mandatory because it is for girls, at this point sm
I have wondered for some while if there is not a connection between HPV and prostate cancer. Given that males are infected at the same rates as females (with HPV), it should be given to boys too...who give it to us! Now, if there is ever a proven link between prostate CA and HPV, you will see it be mandatory so fast it will make your head swim.
All you have to do it look at the procedures that are done for HPV infections of the cervix. I do them all the time. Girls at 16, 17, 18 in for their 2nd and 3rd conization of the cervix. The first one may cause an incompetent cervix, the 2nd one sure will and after a 3rd you won't carry a child to term. Did you know that a standard conization procedure removes the ENTIRE transformation zone and about 1/3 of the surface of the cervix? It does... The reason it is treated so aggressively is the extremely high rate of recurrence.
Vaccinate your daughter, do it now, do not pass "GO" and collect $200.
Just so you know, I see more HPV in the under 20 group, but there are plenty of married women in their early 20s with it and trying to get pregnant who have cone after cone.
New cervical cancer injection mandatory in Texas next year
Just heard starting next year in Texas young girls are being ordered to get the new cervical cancer injection, just passed by the governor of the state so I am sure there will be a lot of talk about this.
What an awesome post! I agree, agree, agree completely with you.
 You are right on the money in my book! 
I agree, try to live in another country, then you will also agree...nm
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absolutement! Agree! Agree! Agree!
Why is it so hard to understand this? HMOs are just middlemen who get everything balled up and costly!
I agree with you - not judging either but agree (nm)
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and I agree with you *nn* -
I agree......
I agree with everyone's reply here. Also--one more thing...DO NOT TOUCH THE RADIO/CD PLAYER WHILE DRIVING!! It was 17 years ago that one of my best friends was killed this way-very responsible girl, just did not think for that one moment.
I was a responsible teen, but my parents set strict rules on my driving. At the time, I did not understand but now that I have a 10-year-old son who keeps reminding me each year that he will be driving in __ years, I understand completely. If it were an option for us, I would keep my kids babies forever.
Another thing you can do, just to maybe ease your mind about driving is take her to the local police department and have them to show actual footage of accidents. I know that sounds pretty harsh, but it has saved a lot of kids lives in my surrounding area.
Hope this helps!!
wow - I sure do agree with you!!....sm
I would rather them be locked in a car driving than strolling or walking alone - In Florida - we have had MANY YOUNG KIDS killed (murder) by being alone walking to and from school. My children are VERY responsible and pay for everything, except that car insurance (which is wayyyyyyyyy too much) which I offered to pay until age 28. By the age of 28, they'll be earning more $$. My OLD brother (and he's very old *LOL*) did this for his son until age 28 (think he's about 38 now) because of the exhorbitant insurance rates. I decided to follow suit. If we have it, why shouldn't we help them. I'd rather help my children while I'M ALIVE AND KICKING rather than what they get when I die, IF there is anything to get *LOL*
Y'all have a GREAT day!
Remember, we can all agree to disagree without being nasty and rude.
and I so agree with you!!!.....sm
One of my children saved all the Xmas/holiday/birthday $$ ever received from toddler-hood so that at 17 had $6000+ and put it down on a BRAND NEW SMALL CAR, albeit I had to co-sign the balance. Child did pay the rest off. I too am very proud of the children who are young still, one has worked for 10 years already (started off part-time at about 14 after school by own choice).
Yep, I want kids to hang out in multiple numbers today - never walking alone - too many CREEPS out there in the USA today and they are EVERYWHERE....really creepy to me.........
Let's sing out for the responsible good kids who are out there trying to live life in this messed-up world!!!!
HOORAY FOR THE CHILDREN!!!! They are our future and if we don't back them, well then we are up the creek without a paddle, right? 
I agree...
Don't be too quick to judge! Last I knew car seats can be moved from one car to another! It's so sad that a few rotten apples out there ruin it for the people who really need the help! Hope you are never in a situation where you may need a little help.
I agree
Hey, Chillie, I love what you said. It's time somebody did. All this political correctness crap is getting to the point where it really offends me. And I'm SOMEBODY, TOO!!! Thanks.
It all goes to what you agree to when you take the job
If you take the job knowing that it involves working the holiday or the night of or the night before then it is your obligation to do so. That is the way of this trade. Then the days following the holiday we are "dead" and everyone is yelling for work. Kind of like the hospitals, the police, the fire department, the stores half the time -- we all know what is expected when we accept the job. If you knew that it was expected of you when you said yes -- then I think it is your obligation to work. If you have your own accounts or are an IC then you have the right to say no but don't complain when nothing comes your way the day or two after the holoidays. I chose to have my own accounts and some are open the day after Thanksgiving and so what I pick up on late Weds has to be back by early Friday and so somwhere in that timeframe I have to get it done. I might have a few more hours to do it but also have a family and life so will squeeze it in. Then Friday I will have what was dictated on Weds and have to work on over the weekend. So you see you are not alone but this has been the way since I have been doing this, close to 20+ years. Before that when I worked in office/clinics we were never closed for the Friday after Thanksgiving, saw patients until 6 on Weds, back at 8 on Friday. Anway got things to do. Patti
I agree
I was in management also and I was lucky in that there were only a certain few MTs that were very stubborn about not working holidays or flat out refused. Most were willing to compromise, maybe do one major holiday and have off the other, or even put in a few hours of their choice. It is those who refuse to work all holidays that can mess things up for everyone. For if everyone refused, what then? I guess it would then have to become mandatory???? Exactly!
I agree with you...
Even if the story you were told is true, there's still something not right about the situation. Best to make sure your daughter's not in any danger, I'd do the same thing! Good luck...I feel for the other family though...how hard would that be?
I agree...
My husband is far from dispensable! He's my best friend too. He's a wonderful father, husband, son, brother, everything! We've been married for almost 20 years and I love and need him more today than I did in the beginning. Men are getting an unfair wrap here...although I completely sympathize with the OP. That's her situation, though, not every marriage comes down to that.
Like I said before (and my post was deleted for some reason) I am looking forward to growing old with my husband...raising grandchildren...hopefully finally getting to travel. I do believe the best has yet to come for us!
I 100% agree.
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I agree
My friend and I went on a sugar free diet - it lasted 2 days. After numerous trips to the restroom, we both finally came to the conclusion that it was the sugar substitutes. Go for Splenda... After removing sugar substitues we had no more problems.
I agree and not only that - what about the
actions speak louder than words - if he wasn't guilty he would've stuck around..........would have had nothing to run from if he was innocent......and that's another thing - in the case, he was NOT found NOT GUILTY - he was found innocent by a reasonable doubt....(pssst - cause he's still guilty)...LOL
if it looks like a horse, smells like a horse, acts like a horse, it is not a swan!
RIP Ron and Nicole......
I agree sm
If you take hungry men a meal of sand covered with some cheese, they are gonna say it is great. It was very funny to me too. I am a country fair blue ribbon winner. Of course they are not gonna say this tastes awful. I make the best blue ribbon potato salad. I mean really, if you take hungry men anything, they are not gonna tell your husband it was mediocore, hungry men will eat almost anything.
I agree with you...
Your original intention was to "feel" out how others felt about your situation. You never argued with anyone who replied earlier with anything but thanks. Log off now, and forget about the rants and raves. I hope you have a good evening.
I agree
I have never been big on that with my kids, never felt comfortable with it even when they were much younger. As ridiculous as it may sound, I can remember finding out there was no Santa and I was incredibly upset that my parents lied to me. Christmas is not about Santa. Still bugs me. haha.
I don't agree with your vet.
When I finally saw my dog going through a partial seizure, she was definitely scared and in pain. Afterwards she almost stopped breathing. Hers were caused by a tumor, but in a young dog like yours, it is almost certainly epilepsy. I have a friend whose dog has epilepsy with terrible seizures, and now he's on medication and only has 1 seizure a month. They are all much happier. If I were you I'd change vets because I'd be worried the seizures were causing brain damage.
I agree, but...
not everyone can multitask. Fortunately, it is nice to be able to simultaneously do laundry and type at the same time. No one should be sitting in front of a PC for 8 hours straight. You have to get up and stretch, so why not switch the clothes from washer to dryer, or catch the news or have a cup of tea for a few minutes. If you were inhouse, you would be at the water cooler. Working at home is a privilege, but even people who work inhouse take advantage. I have seen where fellow employees are taking personal phone calls, balancing their checkbook, making appointments, asking others opinions regarding personal issues, etc. Lighten up!!!! You will either be diligent or not off-site or not... No one can type and clean at the same time, but it sure makes it easier to dust your living room, and then go type for a while.... Oh my! That is why I love this board!
I agree
For the first year or two I went to an accountant he was very helpful. But then after I realized that I was doing 80% of his work for him and I do understand taxes quite well, I bought Turbo Tax and for the past 10 to 12 years have used Turbo Tax. You have to figure out how much sq ft your office is versus your house to find the percentage you get to take off for mortgage payment. utilities, etc. Also he will let you know what the pros and cons are for depreciating your home. Since I figure on dying here -- and not in the near future -- I have been using the depreciation. If you use your car for any mileage related to your business, supplies, delivering, banking you can take that off. Ask him about setting up a SEP fund -- self employment pension fund -- even if you only contribute 5 to 10% that helps to bring down what you pay SSN, every dollar helps. Good luck, once he does it for you then you can use last year guidelines for how to do it.
I agree 100%
I also suffered from HPV and had to endure 4 colposcopies as well as a LEEP procedure. If this had been available when I was younger, I would have gotten the vaccine. There is always risk to these types of things and it is a matter of personal preferance as to what you choose to do.
I agree. sm
And it was even worse in the days of pay toilets what we had to endure.
I remember sitting there broken heated.
Paid a dime and only farted.
I agree as with the others
Definitely don't get tempted on the business trip, and if he wants you he needs to get rid of the other one.
It is really easy to cheat on a business trip and come home to the wife/steady girlfriend like nothing happened (for some anyway).
I agree with everyone here and I have --sm
been in your shoes too, in the past. Only thing is that I was not mature enough way back then to keep business separate from *high school feelings* and the only one that got hurt was me. I felt not so bright in the head, and *cheap* afterwards.
He is still in his present relationship for a reason and since it seems so easy for this man to forget that, I would stay WAY clear of him! (gotten smarter in my old age). IF he leaves his present girlfriend, which I seriously doubt, then MAYBE, but also keep in mind that he was willing to step out of bounds on that relationship to see what could be done with you, and I would almost bet this is not the first time, so if things ever got serious between the two of you....how easy would it be for him to do it to you after 7 years or so?
It just seems so easy for a man to change his life like he changes his pants every day with no qualms about who he hurts in the process. Keep your dignity...don't do it. Just my 2 cents. good luck to you!
Agree with you
A lot of teens are going to have sex before marriage. My 17-year-old daughter came to me last fall about wanting to go on the pill. She is in her first serious relationship, so I took her. I had a pregnancy scare in high school and it was not fun and I was very honest with her about that.
My daughter is not getting the vaccine because it is too new and I don't think anyone knows the long-term problems that could come from it. Hopefully by the time my daughter is having this discussion with her daughter, it will either have been proven safe or pulled off the market, but my daughter is not going to be a guinea pig.
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I agree.
A broken heart can kill you, if not dramatically reduce your zest for life. I know a woman whose teenage son died of suicide. She still visits his grave everyday. This has been over 12 years ago. She said if it was not for her other other, she would have died.
Yes. I agree. nm
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And I agree with you...he's no....sm
He's no Judge Judy or Judge Millian (Marilyn) or Judge Mathis or any of them.....he seems to be merely an ATTENTION SEEKER.
Judge (*and I use the term JUDGE loosely here*) Larry Seidlin is a 3-ring-circus unto himself with his one-liners and cliches...remember folks, he is a former cabdriver in Bronx, NY and is exactly what he *sounds* like in the courtroom....chastising the attorneys, calling them/addressing them by state , i.e., *Texas...sit down*....or things to that effect...and yet taking every single momentary opportunity to push his OWN agenda, and what I mean by that is HOGGING THE SPOTLIGHT and CAMERAS!!! He's nauseating!!! 
So, Irish Mom....GMTA (great minds think alike) !!! 
I agree
I think she purposely wanted to be buried as far away from her mother as possible and also keep Daniel away from her - can't say I blame her after everything I heard about her upbringing. The reality is in my opinion than Anna Nicole is already with her son now somewhere in spirit. The bodies are just empty shells.
yes jen, i agree
do not want husband/girlfriend in the same pkg. well put.
I agree with that too...yuk! gag! nm
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I agree ER MT
I agree that Anna would want to be buried next to her son and not in a town that she basically ran away from. My mother wanted to be cremated and sprinkled in the ocean and that is exactly what we did. I have no gravesite to visit but that is okay, she is in my heart. Why doen't her mother just let all this go.
I agree...
This is how sterotypes get perpetuated. I was born and raised in Alabama and I now live in Georgia. I have never been a 'fat and butter' eater. I always try to eat healthy. In fact, most of my family, friends, and acquaintances eat in a healthy manner as well...for the most part.
I also noticed how she heaps tons of butter on everything. One day I saw her put about 1/4-stick of butter on ONE baked potato. Also, my mom told me last night that Paula smokes. I didn't believe it! I googled her name and then 'smokes' and sure enough, there it was. She is shortening her life by the way she eats.
We agree again!
Taylor was alright, but any Michael McDonald/Doobie Brothers song will fill that vocal type. And if you like the spastic show, watch Joe Cocker!
Taylor was a pale imitation, mostly.
Agree.
They are not paying the bills for that said property. Smoking is still legal ya' know!
Agree, but............sm
We lived in south Florida about 20 years ago and the reports were they were finding medical waste on the beaches. We have also lived in the Florida panhandle, where the beaches are absolutely gorgeous, and around the northeast beaches and those were definitely cleaner.
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