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Posted By: Z on 2007-12-30
In Reply to: Friday's packrat post - Lee
battling mice and rats, with some ideas.
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You know so many kids are spoiled... literally. They expect all these high dollar items and when they get out in the real world they don't have a clue how to cope without these and don't realize that they need to WORK, that things don't just come to them. My mother questioned me last week because I mentioned my son (12) has been saving his money to buy a computer. I also told him he will have to pay a friend of ours to install the computer so he can get all the parental things setup. I want him to start getting a taste of what it's like to pay for his own things. He will respect it more. Don't get me wrong... he got a Wii system for Christmas and he does have a cell phone which is a very basic phone, doesn't have all the extras on it, and I have explained to him when he gets out of the house that will be his responsibility to pay for. He does extra things around the house for me to help pay that monthly bill too. It's just a shame that not more kids are actually expected to work a bit for what they have. My kids don't get an allowance either. I figure this is their home too. We ALL pitch in. No one pays me to clean. LOL.
I try to teach my children that Christmas is about GIVING, not receiving. We gave some money to a couple families in our church anonymously around Thanksgiving so they could buy a little extra for their families for Christmas. Our children are aware we did this and also are aware that we keep this to ourselves. I want them to realize there are too many people who are trying hard just to live day to day and go without a lot of things because of financial situations. Our family has been blessed in big ways (we are not loaded but we have our jobs, we have our health, and we have loads of love)and I want our family to share with others.
If I were, we would not be having this discussion. I
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My mom and I have this discussion often.
They live at a 62-over apartment facility and always talk about the people who have kids but never see them and how bad they feel for those parents, and how thoughtless those children are.
One never knows what goes on behind closed doors. You don't know how those kids were treated growing up. Not every parent deserves to be taken care of by their children. I have friends that have left home at 18 and never looked back. Just because the old folks look sweet doesn't mean they were good parents.
Do a search on this here - big discussion:-)
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Have you thought about having a serious discussion?
Seriously - marriage is all about conversation and discussion and communication - do it now and teach your kids - you can agree to disagree even!! Just because one wants another child and another one does not should not mean you automatically do it or don't do it - but you need to discuss and move on.
You are funny. Maybe this discussion
will help:
http://www.ubcbotanicalgarden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15898
You could always give it away if the stress is too much, LOL.
I don't do inside plants either.
BTW, we did have a discussion with the youth about
what they thought he!! would be like. My hubby and I also included our pastor just in case they had questions we didn't feel qualified to answer. Boy did we ever get some wonderful answers. I myself always imagine fire and unbearable heat. One suggested being all alone in a small dark place for eternity. One suggested that if you had an intense fear, for example spiders, you would spend eternity in a room full of them with them crawling all over your body. I think God wants us to use our imagination when we think of different things, after all he gave us the imagination to use.
Actually I am new to this discussion and I admire
you for sticking it out with your kids. There is a lot of discussion about staying or leaving when you have kids - if the fighting gets to be too much, etc., maybe you should get out - but I think the kids deserve the best you can give them - and at this point that is the two of you together. I split with mine for 9 months 15 years ago - had 4 kids at the time - 2 were his - my girls have never gotten over the fact I left Dad for a while - but it made us a stronger family unit - and I am so glad I did leave shortly and more happy that I came back. Best of luck to you!!
Discussion has been moved..thx (nm)
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You are CRAZY. end of discussion, you are in your own....nm
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Missed a lot of the discussion apparently - sm
What I don't understand is where you get that all unwed mothers are drug addicts or alcoholics.
That is not true at all. Sure, it happens to some but for you to lump unwed mothers into that category is terrible.
You don't know my personal circumstances. I don't know yours.
I'm just saying that I would like to help others that are in the same situation I was in way back when. Hopefully I would be able to help them so they don't have the struggles that I had.
Thankfully, my child and I were never homeless but I worked my tail off to make sure that didn't happen. I sometimes worked 2-3 jobs.
I also worked my way through school. I didn't get hand outs, didn't expect them either but it really would have been wonderful if someone was there to guide me to the things that I needed to do. Maybe it wouldn't have taken me so long to get to where I needed to be.
Absolutely nothing is free in this world and that would not be the point.
However, this is a dream we are talking about right? This isn't about socioeconomic dysfunction. It's about someone wanting to help someone else.
Update after discussion with hubby...sm
Don't worry clhmt... he has a "brainless" job - seriously but makes decent money doing it. (smile)
I did talk with him about it when he checked in on his lunch break and he's going to talk with his daughter about the note this evening. He's concerned about the "in and out" part as well but isn't convinced she has a problem because she has written negative notes to herself like this before... which in the past I've told him isn't normal and are cries for help but this is the worst one that has been found to date. I've pulled some info from the internet about bulemic patterns in teenagers to show him so hopefully he'll realize that I'm not just blowing smoke when I tell him that I'm concerned that she is bulemic. I just hope that he realizes that she has a problem and agrees to get her help, even if I just get him to agree to take her to a psychologist to discuss whether or not she has a problem.
Please take this discussion to the Christianity board.
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I remember that big long discussion
It went on for quite awhile. I still don't think it's a good idea considering how short of a time it's been around. I remember reading an old old ad on the internet about DES and it showed a smiling baby and said something about using it for every pregnancy. We all know how well that turned out. I hope PA doesn't make it mandatory either, because I will also have to fight it.
Discussion topic today
How on earth did you get custody of your deceased ex's cremated remains? Did you divorce him after he died? LOL
Probably because it was a valid discussion topic below.nm
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Since on this discussion another thing I tell them to put down for weight is
too much.
Bringing Lost discussion up to top of board (major spoiler alert)
Okay, all you "Lost" fanatics, what are your theories now, and how have they changed? Who or what is Jacob? How did the "original inhabitants" of the island get there? They are mostly Caucasians with American accents, with a few exceptions. They don't look like the usual types of people who are native inhabitants of Polynesian islands - if, indeed, that is where the island is.
Why were Jack and Juliet keeping secrets from the rest of the group? If they had been honest and up front from the beginning about Juliet, maybe they could have all figured out a way to foil Ben's plans without bloodshed.
And will the island heal Locke? Obviously he is of major importance - I don't think Ben heard Jacob at all, and he was jealous and afraid when he realized Locke heard him. That's why he shot him. Ben is turning out to be an even bigger weasel than before.
And what exactly was the Dharma Initiative studying? Does Ben really know? After all, he was only a "work man" like his father.
For every answer, there are a dozen new questions - at least! 
Heads up! The Gab board is for general discussion not to include MT, Religion, or Politics.
This was put into place when we very first set up the Gab board. We have a Christianity, Conservatives, and Liberals forum that you can post on. But, let me be clear. I do not condone trashing of anyone's religious preference and neither should you. I expect posts on any of these forums to be respectful (that does NOT mean we are censoring, there IS a difference). This is NOT open for debate. These are the rules. If you can't respect them, you don't need to post here.
you can give the people the facts, but the decision making process should be left to the people
This is what our country is founded on FREEDOM OF CHOICE! I'm laughing already; you are just as mortal as the rest of us, and don' even attempt to that you've never done anything in your lifetime that was unsafe or unhealthy. NOT gonna buy it.
it is wonderful to see how many people have such strong opinions about people in debt.
I thought that the purpose of this board was to be able to post without being judged unfairly or have somebody tell you how wonderful their personal life is, and therefore you are causing their life to be less wonderful with your irresponsibility. Well, the saying "walk a mile in my shoes" is a good one in this case. Since you have no personal information about the person you are lambasting because they are looking for information on their debt, you can feel superior. Had you had personal information about them, you might act in a more human manner. Consider fighting cancer for 4 years, working and being debilitated while you do, suffering the effects of chemo, going into debt to maintain your home for your children and looking for a way out of debt SHOULD YOU EVEN LIVE THROUGH THIS!! Thank you for the kind comments. To the judgmental people I say please take a step back before you judge. You do not know who you are talking to and if you knew the personal information maybe your comments would be kinder.
I get frustrated by the double standard they use when judging people. They let certain people go sa
What do you think about the voting process?
People who go around calling other people "low class"
have their own issues in life. Ignore them. Nothing like a misplaced superiority complex to make a person feel good about themselves. Like they've never done anything gauche or made a faux pas. It must be nice for them to be so perfect and live in a glass house.
For that matter, you probably saved your piggy's life by popping that mondo zit! It could have gotten infected or something.... (yes, I have a zit popping fixation myself, but you were really descriptive on that pig zit. gag LOL)
Man, you would have appreciated the time one of my relative's popped a HUGE cyst on her face. I was standing right next to her at the time and leaned back because I knew it was going to blow. It did! Big time! All over the wall, mirror and light fixture. I'm still disgusted by the thought of it 10 years later. LOL In a revering kind of way...
some people did, some people didn't. It's their choice.
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If this helps...I know people who know people (sm)
who can make people disappear. 
Not really--I'd be lyin' if I said I never thought such things though! ;-)
IME, people don't feel sorry for fat people either
They actually have less sympathy than they do for people who have substance abuse, IME.
At any rate, I do feel sorry for Britney but the safety of her children should be everyone's first priority, then her safety. It would seem to me that all these hangers-on she has are jeopardizing that safety. It's all just very sad.
Some people just look at me
like I am crazy. You should see the looks I get when she rides on my shoulder in the car. Most people associate rats with dirty animals, etc. They are just like a hamster, only very smart animals. Plus they don't bite like hamsters or try and get away from you. They want to be around you. They are very loyal and love attention. She's my baby.
Unfortunately, she has a cyst growing under her arm now though. She is getting old, and I know her time is coming. :(
OMG! You people are bad, bad, bad!!! I'm going to
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For me, over 25 people to buy for......
including mine and my husband's immediate families we see separately Christmas eve and Christmas day. We also visit grandparents, aunts, cousins, etc. a week later. We don't have kids yet so still spend a few hundred on each other. It is probably closer to 1500 combined for us.
What about NJ? People here act like
they're the best beaches in the world and I can assure you they are NOT. LBI is the cute nickname now given to Long Beach Island which is a dump as are most NJ beaches and everyone acts like it's the Hamptons or something. Been to NC outer banks and loved it. No comparison.
I think there need to be more people...
in the world like you! You are doing a wonderful thing and are a shining example to your children!
Pet (Dog in particular) people -
I have a Lab/Pit mix, probably 8 or 9 years old, who has a terrible problem with itching and scratching all over. I am hoping someone on this site has a solution for us.
I will tell you what we have tried that has not worked.
Benadryl has not worked. Seemed to help initially but stopped it and she shows no change.
Changing her food has not worked. Have tried all kinds of food, wheat free, have not helped.
Adding oil to her food, 1-2 tablespoons of olive oil twice a day, has not helped. Seemed to help initially but she went back to scratching.
Getting her groomed with dry skin shampoo/conditioner has not helped.
What DID help was steroid injection and prednisone pills on a tapering dose. But once the dose was tapered down, she started scratching some. I dont want her on steroids indefinitely. PLUS, the steroids made her very very aggressive and being part pitbull, that was not a good thing.
When it gets to the point that she and I are both waking up multiple times during the night, I have to go back to steroids. Before I do that, I wonder if anyone reading this has another remedy we could try before going to steroid route.
We also have a cat and I am beginning to think she may be allergic to the cat. Do you think this is possible? My vet technician told me it is possible but it would involve costly allergy testing and injections if it proves positive. Would like opinions from others before I take her for allergy testing.
Any info anyone could provide would sure be appreciated, not only by me but by my best friend who is suffering with this.
Thank you!
um, a lot of people don't go to the, uh, gym.
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I know 5 people who have had this...sm
1 has kept the weight they lost off.
2 had major complications after the surgery and 1 almost died - he was healthy before surgery.
4 lost weight but have regained most if not all of it. You can restretch the stomach back out by eating too much.
I like those too - I know a lot of people don't :-)
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Yes, but LL should have people to look out for her
be watched 24/7, but LL could be and should be. She should be protected and anyone with any interest in this girl, either for financial or other, such as her mother, should be helping her better than this.
IMO there is no excuse for this. Maybe I am being harsh, but give me a break already with these celebs.
Just like with people
Recovering from surgery (procedures done with anesthesia) when they're older is harder for them, and you have to be super careful that they don't have any conditions that could be worsened by the medications. Please try everything you can before getting them declawed. I'm lucky, my cats love their scratch posts, but they also love picking at the carpet. I just buy rugs and stick them all over the place!
Those people should have given you (sm)
thank you notes BUT, when you give you have to give with a free and willing heart and not expect anything in return - even a thank you - because you will only get bitter waiting. Only give when you really want to and feel the need to and you will feel better about it I think.
re: people
Just me,
The Bible says in Jeremiah 17:9:
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; Who can know it?"
It is our sin nature to commit sin and we're all born with it. I don't know what the percentage of sexual sin is, but I do know that it is getting more and more prevalent and has been around since bible days because we are all born sinners and we all need Jesus to save us. That doesn't mean that after we accept Jesus we stop sinning, but are more likely to be faithful when we know the Lord.
God bless!
Jan
Pod people.
It's the only explanation. How can you not talk to people in an environment like that?!
This really is about the right age when most people do this (sm)
I was 18 and that was 20 years ago. You cannot make her not do it. I would strongly focus right now on teaching her all the possible STDs - I mean seriously teaching her - because I got herpes from oral sex when I was 21 and did not even know you could get it that way. Just sit down with her and say, "well you have decided to do this and I don't agree with it, BUT since you are, let's look up every possible bad thing that can happen" and make sure she is extremely well informed. Even find scary pictures of HPV and look up hep B and hep C and herpes and every STD you can think of. At least then she probably will not be promiscuous and will be choosy and careful about who she is with.
and once again, people come in here and can....n/m
Why do people have to
make reference to a person other than "did that nice woman smile at you?"??? If she had been obese instead, would they have said..."Did that fat lady smile at you?" Just annoys me how insensitive people can be and how they can be quick to label a person without even knowing anything about them.
I would have been offended myself in this situation. HOW RUDE!
i know this will ^&*()$% people off
I personally would never have an abortion, but think of all the people who were aborted instead of being born. Maybe there is another reason that they were aborted and that society is better off as a whole because of it.
Yep. People just don't think - nm
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I know some people that took their son's
room away. He was about 13 and they had only been living in their new house a few months. His bedroom was in the basement with the rest of the family on the second floor. He loved his room soooo much. This was not really a bad kid, just wouldn't do homework, chores, picked on his sister, really just immature. They made him move into his little brother's room. His LB was 4 so he obviously loved having big bro for a roommate. Straightened him out rather quickly.
IMO, most people won't say anything
so i would suggest you definitely keep your eyes and ears open. chances are, being it was brought to your attention, there may be something to it.
Depending upon the gravity of it all, you may want to do some snooping, and/or check financial records and such. Whatever you do, 'protect yourself at all times',ie, cover your bases. Trust is so important with a spouse, but not a blind trust.
Depending upon other factors, you may or may not confront your spouse, but likely not. There, you lose the element of surprise, and if something is up, the coverup will be more elaborate and harder to penetrate.
two people
if at all possible, but I don't have any help and rarely do I need to bathe them, only time has been when they had a brief flea outbreak. But if you have no help, just hold by the ruff of the back of the neck and since mine are adults, I let there back feet touch the ground so as not to hold them there by their full weight and do the best I can with washing them with one hand. I do it in the bathtub with a sprayer I have attached to my shower head.
For people our age I think
hair should not as long as Meredith's, just turned to see her because I really do not want her show that often. No matter how nice the color, the shine, etc. I think keeping any longer only ages a person. I try to keep mine ear length, any longer only bothers me.
I think too many people....
automatically think spanking is abuse because they have become brainwashed by society, government, etc. Adults CAN draw the line and I don't think there are too many that "beat" their kids. I was also spanked as a child, never beat, and raised my kids spanking them ONLY if needed. I NEVER smacked them across the face as that is humuliating to the child and my point was never to humuliate my kids but to instill what is accepted and not accepted.
My sister-in-law raised her kids on timeout and the never ending "talks". Five minutes later they were doing the exact same thing they were timed out for. Her kids are now teenagers. They are smart mouthed, have no respect for people, she is unable to control them which in turn she lets them do what they want, bribes them to "behave", etc. They come from a loving, good home but I see nothing but trouble in the future for them as they have no boundries of what and what is not accepted.
My kids were raised getting a spank or two on the behind with a firm no (never a beating or screaming at them). They have turned into respectful, caring, responsible adults with no side affects from the spanking. I ask them to do something and they do it without back talk. They call their elders Mr or Mrs. They turned out to be well adjusted, happy kids with many friends as it was instilled into them to respect people as they would like to be respected.
Unfortunately, society and the government, etc., has gotten involved with raising OUR kids. They need to step back and worry about their own kids. I for one do not worry when my kids are out at night, they are not driving and drinking, they are not stealing, not doing drugs, etc. They are not perfect and can be a pain in the a** at times, but I know I raised them right and I raised them as I see fit - not how society would want me to raise them.
I do not spank them anymore as there is no need to. That stopped at 8 or 9 years old - they knew what was right and wrong by that time. If they do something I do not like, I now talk with them. There are times that does not work and then I take away privileges such as driving, etc.
Too many people confuse beating and spanking - spanking is not beating!!
People have to eat, so it
is easy to get addicted to food. Smoking, on the other hand, is a ridiculous act of a person who wanted to rebel when they were young and got caught by addiction.
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