Half a loaf of bread better than none
Posted By: Old saying on 2008-12-29
In Reply to: What exactly to do? sm - renee
My husband (who is union) and I have talked about this and he definitely said he would take pay cut in order to keep his job if need be.
Complete Discussion Below:  marks the location of current message within thread
The messages you are viewing
are archived/old.
To view latest messages and participate in discussions, select
the boards given in left menu
Other related messages found in our database
Anyone who can make bread for 35 cents/loaf is a wizard in my book, deenibeeni! nm
x
i was told mine is half jack russell half border collie
AND HE SURE LIVES UP TO THAT HYPERACTIVITY!!!
Really, I give my cat milk and half and half
well over 14. Stray cats will eat/drink anything they can get ahold of to survive. Not sure why we shouldn't give cats milk.
I still get a couple loaf pans of it every year at butchering time
DH doesn't touch it but I love it. I grew up on it too.
I also grew up on Spam. Mom had a stove that had a pull out griddle above the oven and she would put spam and egss on there for a Tuesday night supper.
I have 2 cans of Spam in my pantry now. The ingredients state: Pork with ham, mechanically separated chicken, water , salt, modified potato starch, sugar, hickory smoke flavoring (I have the hickory smoke flavor), and sodiu nitrite. Opps. There's that bad word-sodium nitrite.
Does anyone have a bread machine?
If so, would you recommend getting one and which brand is good? 
Bread Machine
 Hi - I love bread! I have a Hitachi that is old and works great. I am antsy to get a new one though and think I will get a Zojirushi - they are the best I know of. I mostly use mine to mix dough and then I proof it outside the machine (I proof in my dehydrator, you just take out the shelves and set it on low and shortly thereafter all the rising is finished - I use a big dehydrator from Excalibur so a lot of bread can fit in there! Yummy bread. It also saves a lot of money because bread is now about 2.50 a loaf or more for good bread, but mine is better and is way cheaper! I got one for my daughter and got her the one she wanted (a Panasonic), which is half the price of a Zo and she thinks works just as well. Just get one with the bigger size insert so you can make big bread if you want (you can always make it smaller, just by using the small recipe size if you just mix in your machine and get one that has a setting for adding in add-ins (like raisins or nuts or whatever). Those are the important things in bread. Go to King Arthur Flour website and check out the bread! It is the best place to buy ingredients that you might not find in your own town if you live in a small one. Now I am hungry for bread from all this and think I will go put some Portugese Sweet Bread in there for later! Good luck with your bread! Maybe we could quit transcribing and open a bakery! That might be fun!
bread recipes
Would the kind lady who posted her bread recipes please reply to me, even if it is my private e-mail address, with the recipes that she had for 4 loaves of bread. My hard drive crashed and even though I copied the recipe to my word expander, I was not able to print it out.
Bread at Sams
I know this isn't latte, but my husband and I found a certain organic wheat bread at Sam's Club that we absolutely loved. It was 4 loaves in a bag for around 5 bucks....great price and great bread. It was fresh bread, so 15 minutes in the oven and it was ready!!!! They discontinued it and I called them. The marketing guy said he knew exactly what I was talking about because he and his wife loved it also, but the numbers showed it wasn't selling as well, so they placed it in different places in the store locally, but it still didn't sell well, so they discontinued it. I can't imagine that because every time I went in, there were tons of empty boxes I had to move around to get to the new ones. Did they tell you it wasn't selling well?
Homemade Bread
I'd like to start making my own bread. I can only tolerate easy recipes and not too time consuming. Is making your own bread easy, moderate or difficult? if it's easy, do you have any tried and true recipes?
Should I buy a bread machine? What can you tell me about bread machines and their ability to pop out good tasting bread, also, with bread machines, do you have to use a pre bought packet or can you stick your own ingredients in there and bake?
Homemade bread
Well, I'm old-fashioned. I've never used a bread machine in my life. But I do make four loaves of bread at least every week and my family can't live without it (I say in all modesty). I've won blue ribbons at the County Fair for it. This is how I do it - This may seem very long and involved, but it's because I'm trying to describe it really thoroughly. Don't let the length of the instructions put you off. Do try it!
The initial makinag and kneading of the dough only takes about twenty minutes - the rest is waiting time, mostly.
I start with dry yeast, one package in a half a cup of hot tap water, stir it up and let it sit for 5-10 minutes. While it's sitting, I put three cups of hot water in a big mixing bowl with two teaspoons of salt, two tablespoons of sugar, and a quarter stick of margarine (or butter if you prefer). I heat that in the microwave for three minutes.
Then I add two cups of flour to the ater/salt/sugar/ butter and stir it up. You'll need a strong spoon because it'll get pretty thick later on. I have a favorite wooden spoon that I use. Once that's mixed in (it doesn't have to be completely smooth) add the yeast, then add another half cup of hot water to rinse the rest of the yeast out of the cup and into the dough. Stir that up, and then start adding your flour. I start with a total of ten cups, usually get close to twelve. You can do that all at once or two cups at a time. After it gets too hard to stir, it's time to put some of the last two cups of flour on the table and dump the dough mixture out onto the table. Then comes the fun, especially if you're stressed. Start kneading the dough, adding more flour when it gets sticky. Depending on how humid it is, you may need another cup or two cups. I usually add about half a cup at a time gradually each time it gets sticky. If you put in too much all at once, it may turn out too heavy. At eleven or twelve cups, you will hit the point when your hands don't stick to the dough anymore. Then just knead it for another several minutes until it's smooth "as a baby's bottom" was how I was taught.
Then I wash out the bowl and dry it with a clean dish towel, spray the inside with cooking spray, put the dough in, then thoroughly wet the towel (not dripping, but don't wring it out all the way either), and cover the bowel. That'll keep the dough from drying out while it's rising. Set in in a warm place to rise. In the summer I set it on my stove with the light on over it. In the winter, I'll put a pan of warm water in the oven on the bottom shelf and put the bowl on the top shelf.
Let it rise to double its original size, about an hour. Can be more. Dough is very forgiving if you let it rise too much. Then fold it in on itself, recover it and let it rise again. I usually let it rise at least two or three times. The more often you let it rise, the lighter it will be.
After the last rising, I spray my four loaf pans with cooking spray, then take the dough out, put in on the table and divide it into four parts with a large knife. Then, fold it in and under to form a loaf and put it in the loaf pan. Set that to rise to double. At about 45 minutes, start preheating the oven to 375 degrees. When the dough is the height you want (it will rise a little more in the oven), stick it in the oven for 30 minutes. It should be golden brown on top when it's done. Take the loaves out of the pans immediately and put them on a cooling rack so moisture doesn't accumulate under them.
The family will attack the first loaf of bread immediately, be forewarned! The other three, when they are almost cool, put them in regular bread bags you have saved from store-bought bread. I freeze mine, because this has no preservatives and does get stale quickly. It's best eaten within a day or two of making it or thawing it. That's never a problem in my house.
I hope you try it. It's a great feeling, getting all the accolades from your family and friends. PS - if you're lactose intolerant, like me, there are no milk products in it. I never eat store-bought bread anymore. It also makes the best toast in the world, and French toast?!? Wonderful!
homemade bread
She's absoloutely correct! I love making my own bread. My kids are gone now, so I don't make as much, but give it away. It doesn't last long if it sticks around here and there is such a good feeling when you've done it yourself. No preservatives and junk included. That being said, I do have a bread machine as well, have rarely used it, but when I do, it does a gresat job and I can make more types of bread because I can just throw everything in and let the machine do the rest. It really does turn out good and I am freed up to do other stuff, like work!!
homemade bread
Thanks for sharing your recipe. I lost my bread book in a flood here in Florida when there was 8 inches of water in my house and my recipes were on the bottom shelf of my cabinet (among other recipes) and have not made any bread since. My mother bought me an "earthenware bowl" that she paid a lot for to rise the dough which retains the temperature. I only have 3 loaf pans but will buy another. I bought a breadmaker machine but did not use it much. I used it for rye bread which is hard to knead because it is more coarse. My family loved my bread and I pretty much loved to have my hands in that dough. I know it is somewhat exhausting, but I find it almost therapeutic and stress reducing. I am going to try your recipe.
Bread recipe
When you say you put yeast in hot water, do you mean just warm water?? I thought hot water would make the yeast not work.
Never could get the bread machines
to work really well using fresh ingredients, the boxed mixes worked good but are more expensive than a loaf of bread. I have a few recipes for the oven that turn out great though.
Bread help appreciated sm
The bread came out just "okay" with King Arthur Flour, it was a great experience though and I can't wait to get to the market to get the actual "bread flour;" hopefully will be within a few days. We have a Christmas Tree Shop in the next town and will try to get there to get the flour cheaper. We are also close to (excuse this) Wal-Mart. The aroma alone was great and I was amazed at how it kneaded itself, etc., as this is the part I was dreading when making bread. The Oster does it all for $59 with a $10 coupon good next week at Kohl's. I can't say it was that good this a.m., I did cut a thin slice and toasted it. Our Golden Retriever was salivating but we're watching his diet. I will be looking for bargains and enjoying having the aroma in the house. We have cold winters in NE so the smell of bread and crock pot meal or mac and cheese is a good thing! I feel like Martha! (I could pack on the pounds with this.) The crust was crunchy and the inside well cooked. I may try pizza dough in it one night as well. I could become addicted to this experimenting with bread over $4 to $7 a loaf around here. Thanks for the input.
I have a bread machine but....
how do you bake without using the pan they provide? I have an Oster and the pan has the mixer built right in.
Love white bread. nm
x
Definitely good bread - something dark or rye, or
s
Skip the bread, which is where the carbs are -
Make the rest into a salad to eat with the soup! :-)
bread; soft fruit
nm
I made my own bread for years sm
I have celiac disease, so no more, but the kids loved it.
I have had a bread machine, but they are not friendly in higher altitudes, so I gave it away. I baked by hand and yes, I was an MT at the time. I used to make 6 to 10 loaves at a time, which is a lot of kneading. I found that kneading it as I did clay when I was throwing on a pottery wheel worked best for my hands. It is a spiral kneading technique, hard to explain. I sit on the floor and knead in a very large steel bowl. The angle of my wrists and hands is much better that way.
Anyway, my favorite bread recipes come out of the original Laurel's Kitchen. I don't like the new anniversary edition and I don't like their bread book. You'd need to look in the library for this, but it is worth it.
While I don't own one (have not found one) I understand that the best and easiest way to knead bread is a bread bucket. You can buy them from a couple of places on line that cater to Amish people. It looks sorta like an old-fashioned ice cream bucket, but you put bread in the bucket and crank.
I stand by something called Hungarian High-Altitude flour. I have used it at high altitude and low altitude, it is equally good. If you can, get bulk yeast from a health food store because those packets are pricey and not as fresh as you need for premium bread. Made by hand, the best bread comes from the best sponge beforehand.
Feel free to email me about anything I have said.
NYMT - bread recipe
Just reading over your recipe. What kind of flour do you use? Bread flour or AP?
You could use them to make Monkey Bread. sm
You stack and layer them in a tube pan, let them rise as normal. Then take a mixture of melted butter, cinnamon, white and brown sugar and poor over the bread. Bake at 400 for about 40-45 minutes. Delicious for breakfast!
Oh, you don’t know the half of it
I had no clue when we married he could even cook and his food is the best, really. He says he throws things together and anyone can do. Well I do not even try. He uses all spices, fresh herbs, loads of garlic (and yet for some reason not winding up with garlic breath?)and not only does he do all this but he can fix anything in a home or outside say, garden tools, lawnmowers, do repair work, did marble floors for us, installed vanity and bathroom in another home. He has some other brothers, comes from big families but I kinda doubt if his others are that talented and besides, the ones I know are taken. He is really a catch of a lifetime! Not only is his food good but like I said, he stretches a piece of meat like you would not believe adding it to rice or pasta with other vegetables and our food costs are really on the low side yet at the same time so very, very good to the tastebuds.
Half and half
My daughter who is a senior needs to be prodded a few times. My son who is a sophomore gets up on his own. I still make them breakfast and pack them a lunch though. I do it because I like to and because they are so independent otherwise, it is nice to still be able to do some things for them. They will both be gone soon and I am sure going to miss them.
Also at our high school, after 10 tardies they have a Saturday detention and then every 5 tardies after that.
Half and Half............
Your case is completely different than Done's. Are we discussing Done's case or yours?
If we start to discuss your case we have to start a new thread.
Well, half of it would pay off all
3 of my credit cards. My son is begging for a trip to the beach so that would definitely happen and then the rest would go in the bank for emergencies.
I would never ask for half BUT...
I do want him to realize that he wouldn't be able to pay for an apartment, insurance, phone, utilities, groceries, etc working fast food.
If I charge him for his auto insurance and his phone and 50.00 a week room and board then he will see how much he has left and that it wouldn't cover his expenses in the "real world". I'm hoping this will also reiterate how important it will be for him to go to summer school and get his high school credits so that he can at least have a diploma.
Does anyone every use a KitchenAid mixer for kneading their bread?
I have never made bread before but the mixer has a bread hook attachment, wondering if this works well or not?
My aunts always made friendship bread.
Not sure exactly, but they would get a "start" from someone and always had a little left to use to mix up the next loaf, so on and so on.
People love my bread stuffing sm
I use Pepperidge Farm seasoned bread stuffing, don't know what other brands are out there, this is put out by a bread company. Then instead of water, use orange juice. I once tried chicken broth but too greasy. I add freshly chopped onions, celery and sometimes raisins and small amt. of chopped cranberries. I never stuff the turkey but bake it separately in a casserole. If it looks too dry, I may add a teaspoon or more of the final turkey drippings just over the top. This is one time I use butter. I have tried rubbing the bird with mayonnaise and that works well. Like to experiment but always the turkey comes out just fine at 20 minutes per lb. and use a thermometer. They always ask for more stuffing.
how would you like to be locked up half the day--sm
and all night? If you can't leave the dog loose in your own house for just overnight, then you should not have the dog. It sounds like the poor thing spends more time caged up than it does *free* and I am on the dog's side on this one. Please give the dog to someone who *cares* for it, properly. JMO
I do have a half-sister out there somewhere?
My father was married before he married my Mom, but his ex-wife ran off with his daughter. We have never met her, and he never looked for her! 
I just took a half a tablet at about 8:30
...just to see how that goes. He said 1/2 or 1 tablet t.i.d. p.r.n. My pulse was over 140 in his office today, which is what it was when the ambulance got here on Monday, and that is just NOT me. He gave me enough for a few weeks and then I go back to see him.
I think nearly a half generation did that too *lol*
Are you putting down a lot, like half?
I don't understand how you can even get such a high mortgage. Is that really possible? My husband and I make over 100K and have great credit and I know for a fact the most we MAY get approved for is 300,000 and that's with a lot of luck. Please enlighten me!
Scratch up at least half of what you owe - sm
(all of it if you can) go on a road trip to see him, 2-day drive or so if I read it correctly (or remember correctly), pay the ex off/get up to date on CS then stay a week or two, at least show your son that you want to see him and not just sitting back waiting for him to come to you when your ex decides it fits his schedule or is okay. Obviously find out if your ex has anything planned for the time you plan to go then just show up, I would not aprise anyone to your plans, just go. Even if he screws you over at least your son will see that you really, really wanted to see him and tried everything to accomplish it. This will make your ex look like a real schmuck if he does not let your son see you while you are visiting. Good luck.
I have for a week and a half now
I started it a week ago Sunday.. that would be the 17th. I have had absolutely no "treatment effects" as they call them. I have watched what I eat and have switched to some lower fat or no fat products, as far as like cheese, salad dressings, sour cream, things like that. I don't really eat a lot of fatty meat anyway, so that hasn't been anything to deal with. The changes have been pretty simple actually, pretty easy to make. Also with Alli, it only works around the meal that you take it with. So, if you basically want to watch your fat for most lunches and dinners, as I'm doing, you just take it for those two meals. I don't worry about it with breakfast because I usually just have cereal anyway. If you have some occasion planned, dinner out, might be having a meal with more than 15 g or so of fat, just don't take it. It is pretty simple really and if it does nothing else, it keep you honest with those meals you eat when you take it.
I'd tell him to take half the equity and get out - sm
not you. I am in a similar situation. I have gained about 70 pounds since we married, and 2 kids later. I never kept a great house but I was very organized; but several things have happened over the past 3 years and I have become less organized and I think mildly depressed as well. He used to nag me constantly about my weight but has finally backed off as I think he just stopped caring. I resent(ed) his constant harping about my weight and I think gained more in response; I was 30 pounds less 3 years ago. Even the kids know something is not right though we do things together as a family my DH screws it up somehow and the kids end up in tears half the time or I get upset over some mean thing he said. My younger one has said she wants to live with him if we ever divorce, how sad is that (he is more lenient as he wants to be liked by the kids). His mom is a clean fanatic, they had to shower in the basement as she did not want them messing up the bathroom, before that they had to wipe dry and clean the shower/tub everytime they used it. When she is here she picks up and folds every loose thing, etc. Her home is spotless but she has no kids or animals; we have 2 dogs and a cat and 2 kids who can make a mess really fast. I take care of everything around here but the cooking plus work 3 jobs to boot, so that is one reason the house is not a Good Housekeeping showplace, the other is I hate cleaning.
I would not change for your husband though. I am however going to try and lose this weight, though not for him. I get out of breath very easy now and I want my health to stay good. I am curious to see what reaction I get from him when I do, I suspect he won't like in in the long run, especially if I can pull it off and look darn good in the process. I am also considering getting a cleaning person to come in once a week and clean, but I will tackle that in the Fall. I did get one of those robot vacuums but have not tried it as yet. I also am thinking about seeing a divorce lawyer just to see what my options are in case he pushes me to my limit. He has threatened me with divorce but I doubt he will do it but in case he does go and spring that on me I want to know what I can expect. I think for money reasons alone would not do it as I would fight for half the house equity though it is not in my name we bought it after we were married and have lived in it for 9 years together; half of some property we own (my name is on that deed) and half his 401K from the point we married to present. So he would owe me a tidy sum, I estimate about $185K; so basically he'd have to pay off the house and give it to me as a divorce settlement + child support for 2 kids. He would be pretty cash poor for quite a while but could build a house on the property which would kill him as he wanted to have no house payments by 50 (he is 48)-- I'd want full custody of the kids but I am afraid of some financial issues that would prevent me from being awarded them; so that is why I want to see a divorce lawyer before he does (he has threatened that 2 x, but as he is a big talker I kind of ignore it, but I need to stop being naive about it just in case he does follow through for a change). You need to do the same thing, contact a lawyer and find out exactly where you stand, you have nothing to lose by doing this. I plan to do this as well, once the kids are back in school as I cannot very well drag them with me and have them come home and say, mom went to a divorce lawyer today, yeah, that would go over well.
But your husband and mine sound very alike. I know my kids love me despite my youngest saying she'd rather be with daddy, though after our disaster outing yesterday I doubt she feels that way. She says I work too much which is true but I use it as an escape too which is not good. I had a lot more time off last summer but took on some extra work lately and it has been very busy this summer. I have promised her to start taking off every other weekend so we can do more together so that should help some for us and for me mentally as well. Good luck.
You got that right! I was half laughing and (sm)
crying when he did the "Crying" song with the turtle last week! Piers shot right out of his chair on that one! I voted for him about 12 times or so altogether. My nephew's wife voted for him 10 times three different ways. . phone, computer and different phone.
My better half just had enough of this low flush job
and he spent well over $250 for a newer, will flush all down. Having folks coming over for the holidays and like you said, not gonna be embarrased by a toilet you have to help along and we changed out the powder room first because that is what a visitor would be directed to. All 4 baths here did have that same low flow toilet and they do not work well. Like you, if you have to flush 2-3 times to get them to work, what is the use??
Wow! You lost half of yourself
I am in awe!
Half a cup dry is 150 calories (I believe)
So one cup dry is 300 calories. Skim milk is 80-90 calories per cup, 45 calories per half cup, etc. Sugar is 15 calories per teaspoon.
Hope that helps.
usually it's half price
But most places you sneak food rather than pay :)
half of your salary is too much. I sm
think it should be done based on what the kid is making. In our case, the kids made more than we did but they paid 1/4 of the expenses. Adults? Its only fair.
If your income has been cut in half (sm)
I have to ask - what are you spending the money on? Rent is the first thing you should pay, then food, and then transportation. If you are worried about paying credit cards first, or some other debt, you are cutting your own throat.
I would advise you to do some looking at Dave Ramsey. He has several excellent books, available usually from the local library.
Also, as for the husband, sit down with him and talk to him - I don't know if you have done this or not, but his playing the video games may be a way for him to escape. If he has always been responsible in the past, then his irresponsibility now is probably a defense mechanism.
You both need to step back and take the emotion out of it. If you are not able to do that, the situation is not going to improve. You both have to show commitment to making the relationship work, even on so little money.
If you have a pastor or some sort of mentor/advisor, that might be a good place to start, once you have talked to your husband. A neutral party who can look at the situation from all sides can help.
Good luck, from someone in similar shoes.
HC
Eat your bread crust and it will make your hair curly! nm
`
The spinach dip in a hollowed bread? Veggies and dip? Sweet
s
I use crackers, oatmeal, bread, or croutons - whatever is on hand.
nm
Baking bread from scratch is hard work, sm
especially for people like us who abuse their hands working. Kneading bread is exhausting!
I have a bread machine and love it. It allows for both bread mixes and scratch ingredients. The bread tastes delicious, too.
bread with spagetti sauce and cheese, over the fire
nm
|
