Don't forget that Princess Diana cheated even more than

• Those cheating men - SallySue
  • I'd leave him and get HIV-tested ASAP. sm - Ella (retired)
    • Exactly! - NightOwl
  • Cheating men - hmmm
    • Genetics? All excuses! It started - a
  • First of all I would definitely get mad, mad, mad. - ==
  • Since they are in the public eye, they must do it. John Edwards is lower - than low.
  • Nothing makes it the woman's fault - not even if she also cheats. sm - deb
    • Wow! That's a little harsh, don't you think? - ==
      • No, NOTHING makes it the woman's fault, BUT.... - A Woman Scorned
        • I also disagree that it is never the woman's fault. - ==
        • Don't forget that Princess Diana cheated even more than - ==
          • Very true - A Woman Scorned
            • Right, I posted in my 1st comment that the biggest mistake - ==
  • I definitely would not defend him..... women are too - quick to blame themselves..... nm
    • Because men blames their wives, that's why. sm - Ella (retired)
    • Exactly - A Woman Scorned
      • Well, he sure wouldn't....sm - Ella (retired)

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I remember vividly back at the time, me sitting on the bed crying and asking him why, and him standing at our closet telling me that he and she just had this "connection."  He said with me, it was just like what you'd feel for your sister.  I'm sure he came back because of the kids and probably sometimes wishes his life turned out differently.  Sometimes I wish things had been different too.  Now those older two are both over 21, but we have the 8-year-old who came along later.  There are many times I've thought that we might just be together still because of her, although we usually get along just fine and still have fun together.  I wouldn't say there's a ton of "spark" there though.

I did not know until today.  Both CNN and FOX reported that a Chinese gymnast who won a bronze in 2000 admitted later on she was only 14 at the time, but the govt falsified her records to make her age 16. One of the girls on the team this year looks about 10 years old. I will not make excuses for the USA girls, but at least they won the silver without breaking the rules.

What bothers me the most is in hearing how several teams had gymnasts who were better skilled, yet they had to choose other athletes "of age" to not break the rules. Fair is fair. If the Chinese are cheating, everyone acts like there is nothing that can be done. Well, why not?  Not to be funny, but I think it is only common sense to think that a girl who is not yet developed and has no figure yet can handle a balance beam easier than a girl with curves. Same thing happens in figure skating.  Okay, now I am getting on a tangent.  Sorry, the Chinese girls were awesome to watch, but everyone should have to follow the rules... makes me wonder what the deal is.

I am making her a CD of songs about survival and fun songs about stronge woman.  Any suggestions?  Also a gift idea for her when she gets her new appartment.  Thanks

I, too, feel badly for you.  I personally don't think you sound like the kind of woman who could live with what will most definitely come, and sooner than you think.  I'm not here to judge whatever you decide.  Just know that we're all very sorry for your situation. Betrayal is probably the worst thing I've ever had to endure, whether from a friend or in any area of life.  But I must agree based on where I've been in life that he's down-playing the sex. We all know anatomy well enough here that there was obviously some kind of pay-off here for him (hate to go "Dr. Phil" on ya, but you can't ignore this--he clearly wasn't thinking of you when he was in the arms of another woman)!  You didn't mention exactly how you learned of this.  Did you find out on your own?  If so, that would speak volumes in my world.  If that's the case, I can't see where he had enough guilt to bring it to the table.  You also didn't mention the dynamics about this other woman.

I know from my own experience how many men cheat on their husbands, as I've been hit up on for as long as I can remember (and still am).   And trust me, the ones you'd never expect are out there doing it.  No, not all of them.  Fortunately there are some really decent men who don't.  I'm just jaded based on how many have just assumed that I was a player, too.  Whether it was at the hospital, the gym, or even the grocery store, I was amazed (and of course disgusted and disappointed).  Even more surprising to me was over the phone!  I could look like CIrcus Fat Lady and they still hit up on me!  Now how screwed up is that?

I had a boyfriend long before I got married who was behaving this way.  I'm ashamed that I even spoke to him after that!  Of course, we're friends now, but if he had it his way, he'd have me again (we're both married).  So that tells me nothing's changed.

I personally could never trust a man after this.  Only you can answer that, but I think you're in for a long, painful ordeal by dragging it out.  I learned long ago that no man is worth it, no matter how "good he looks on paper."  We can spin it anyway we want in our own minds to pacify ourselves.  I just know that I'm worth far more than any liar or cheater who could bring something back to my bed. That's a huge turn-off for me.  I'd personally cut my losses and move on and be a princess yourself.  You deserve that (heck, we all do)!

Either way, we're all here for you and will support you and help you through this.  What a horrible thing to learn so close to Christmas, bless your heart...

Please keep us updated on whatever it is you decide.  It's a very personal decision.  I'm just glad you felt you could reach out to us. 

how helpless can you be!

to go to the bottom and click on Table of Contents....There's tons of nostalgic info that'll throw you into the way-back machine.  Cat 

I am certain that the pic post was not supposed to be just the HTML code.  Sorry for all of the mess I guess it is too early for me to figure out

This was created by a 15-year-old named Lizzy Palmer.  It's really something.

   http://www.youtube.com/v/ervaMPt4Ha0&autoplay=1 
 

My mother wrapped a box, and inside was a telephone.  I was a little confused, as this was WELL before the days of cell phones.  It was my own phone line for my room.  Now in the day and age of kids having cell phones, that isn't probably a wonderful idea, but it's certainly cheaper than a cell phone, you have more control over it, she can't lose it... And if your DD doesn't have a cell phone of her own, it's still a pretty durn cool present. 

But what do I know?  I haven't been cool since about 1989... 

I think it's $600 per adult and $300 per child - if you're within the income limits.  Most people are because it's designed for the middle class workers.  To promote us to spend more.  I think most of us already have it spent and are waiting for it to pay off the bills. 

I'm with you - we always pay off the credit card or a large expense, like furniture.  We do those 1-year financing deals.  My husband said no more of those.  We'd like to use our refund for vacation.

a few weeks back my youngest son was injured.  My mother came by to bring him some ice cream.  For some reason something i said or did made my mother angry.  I did not know this at the time.  My husband and I went to lunch with said child, my mother and grandmother the next day.  I noticed they were acting rather stiff and one time hubby, child and I went to the bathroom.  When I walked back to the table M and G promptly stopped talking.  Confused, the next day I called and asked the grandmother if I had done something wrong.  Out of the blue she stated that she didn't think i should not let one child do something without the other (speaking about a birthday party they were BOTH invited to) I laughed and told her they had both been invited, that the child invited all of his friends and their brothers and I would never dream of self inviting my child to a party!!!  Anyway I called my mother and told her the same thing.  They both still sounded rather stiff.  Well along came Thanksgiving.  My MIL came over to our house so we didn't go to my grandma's house.  My sister in law then told me all the things that were said about me...that I treat my oldest like crap, my youngest is a spoiled brat, etc.  and that my grandma was actually CRYING because she believes my oldest is treated so badly.  I honestly have NO CLUE where they got all of this!! I was flabbergasted!!! I just wrote them both off and just never really wanted to talk to them.    No confrontation, nothing.  I didn't even return their calls.

So today my grandma stops by unannounced and begs me to forgive her and that she wants to see my boys some time during christmas.  SHe won't talk about the incident, what sparked it or even what the heck my mom thinks is so bad about how i have treated my oldest.  I'm at a loss.  On one hand I really want to get together with her.  She is just going on something that someone else told her about me.  On the other hand I feel like my every move will be judged if I am around her with my kids.  I told her I forgive her and I honestly do, but i'm not sure how to get past this.  I'm having a Christmas lunch Saturday with my brother.  Should I invite her or just say to heck with it and not see her?