Don't ever apologize for something you enjoy!

It's a huge part of your life and there's nothing wrong with that!  We have the most wonderful neighbors who are crazy Catholic...I mean they wear rosaries bracelets, have multiple Catholic-esque bumper stickers, and they carry bibles the way most people carry a PDA.  However, they are the most genuine, sweet, and fun people I have met on my little street here.  I love having them over just to shoot the chit, share a bottle of wine, and love hearing them talk about their religion, which is a HUGE part of their lives.  They are happy, friendly, and they love life and that's what counts.  They know I am what I am (atheist) and while I know they say they pray for me, they don't make me feel at all uncomfortable and I think they honestly enjoy my warped view of the world.  Gives them some perspective of what else is walkin' around out there ;-) 

Nice people are nice people, no matter what their (or lack thereof) religious convictions may be.

• Help me please! - Hubby is so mad..
  • Who told your husband? lol - nm
  • Just tell your hubby the guy at work is gay. - counterpoint
  • sounds like he was testing the waters. - nm
  • tell the guy it's inappropriate; do not allow it again. - N/M
    • A peck on the cheek is kinda intimate. - Hayseed
      • In some areas of the country it isn't really inappropriate sm - Another KSMT
        • Down here, everybody kisses everybody on the cheek. We're brought up to do it! - Cajun country
        • I didn't even think of that...I'm a New Englander! - Hayseed
          • Had to laugh about the firm handshake - trose
            • Don't ever apologize for something you enjoy! - Hayseed
          • Can't stand a limp fish - (sm)
            • I can't either. - clhmt
            • Can't stand limp ANYthing, actually! LOL..nm - Native New Yorker

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It's totally cool if you don't agree with something I said!  You asked for other's opinions and that was mine--that maybe he just is concerned for your health.  However, if it's a control issue, that whole alpha male "I'm the one with a penis and it's your job to produce my children and be my trophy wife" BS, then I'd be looking for an out too.  That's mental abuse.  Marriage is about being a team and being supportive when the other is down and out.  If you've tried the counseling thing and you know he's being insincere, what is going on is totally unhealthy and life it too darned short for that, I agree. 

Never apologize for your feelings.  They are YOUR feelings and they are valid.  Your FIL and his wife will find a way to gloss this over and of course their friends will believe them.  I think you rock for doing what you did.  That took cojones - even if they were angry cojones. 

Unfortunately, I have found that there are a lot of people like this who claim to be Christians.  They give the rest of us a bad name, IMO.  I worked at a church for a number of years and it left a very bad taste in my mouth for most organized religion.

As to your husband's situation, there are no words to express what you're going through.  Maybe your husband needs to know - when he's a little stronger - that Dad knows and did nothing.  Maybe that would help him with the final break from his family that he needs and set him on the path to building his own life.   You need to tell his therapist and let his therapist guide you in making that determination.

I personally would be inclined to terminate all contact with his father.  Sounds like your kids won't necessarily miss him and your husband may be healthier for it in the long run.

Good luck.  If you yourself are not already seeing a counselor, I would recommend it highly.  Your husband is going to be in long-term treatment as an outpatient and it would certainly help you as well.

It is my understanding there is a Vatican I and a Vatican II and that one is ultra-conservative and traditional and the other has sort of a more liberal (for lack of a better word) approach.  So I am sure that not all Catholic churches and all priests are like this one priest.

Also I apologize for the homosexual/molestation remarks I made in my original post.  That was uncalled for and was a terrible thing to say.  Not all priests should be categorized that way.  I was angry with this one priest and obviously didn't have a stronghold on my anger when I first posted.

Thanks for your responses and for not being offended.  It would have been very easy to tear into me for my generalizations.

I have one more question.  My son-in-law to be said something about if he and my daughter were to be married by a justice of the peace, they could still get married in the Catholic in the future should my daughter convert, but if they were to marry in any other church by any other man of God, there marriage would never be recognized in the Catholic church nor could they ever get married (again to each other) in the Catholic church.  Is this true?

This is all just too legalistic for me. 

but I just want to say I'm with your mom on this one:  I feel sad for you, too.  But also admire the strength of your convictions in a way as well.  I'm not going to preach either.  Already went through it with my sister.  She asked if I really believed -the whole thing- and I said yes.  She wondered how and I just said it's called faith. 

PS - Did you start Harry Potter yet?????  Open that book already! 

little cheerleader smiley on here is Red Wings colors? 

What's up with that? 

I want a Penquins Cheerleader!

Anyway -- Both teams played a GREAT game.

Guess we WILL meet again next year!  See you then!!