Deer and rabbits especially think my garden is an outdoor diner. (sm)
Posted By: Sherry on 2008-04-07
In Reply to: Summer Gardens will be worth it this year. - lucky
Have tried multiple things, can keep rabbits out of green beans, peas and lettuce until they get larger and not so palatable by using chicken wire bent over the rows and pegged down. The deer seem to prefer to just rip smaller branches off the fruit trees and really seem to hit the melons hard.
One of the things that I have tried and works pretty well for me is Irish Spring tied in the branches of fruit trees. I suppose it is the smell they don't like.
Anything else you come up with, please share.
The produce in the store isn't going to do anything but get higher with strikes, etc.
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groundhogs,squirrels, wild turkeys, rabbits, raccoon, goat and deer meat..sm
Some folks just take for granted that they can walk into a market and shop for meat...We've done the same for similar reasons as you and nothing was wasted. At least you're self sufficient!!! And, I bet you've put up/canned/frozen all the vegetables from the summer/fall harvest.
Didn't mean to be flippant in my earlier post...whack it, hack it, pack it and stack it...  Cat
Maybe a nice garden/gazebo/outdoor wedding at a club/restaurant etc nearby? Get
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I waitressed in a mom/pop diner and
was permitted a free meal. Loved their hot meatloaf sandwiches...
Going to an outdoor wedding on Sat.
where they are having a pig roast. Never heard of such a thing at a wedding, so should be interesting. Sunday going to my sister-in-law's summer home, as she calls it, (her trailer at a campsite). She loves it there and then laboring on Labor Day. Have to work. Enjoy the unofficial end of Summer.
OUTDOOR ALLERGENS
I agree with your comment about hanging clothes outdoors during certain months. Allergens such as mold and dust cling to the clothes hung outside and you bring them into your home and they also spread the allergens. We don't do that because my grandson and I are highly allergic, and we just have to be outdoors in the allergy season and we sneeze all the time, which is why we both take an antihistamine.
Rabbits are not easy to take care of. We have 2. We have the ideal sm
setup for them outside in the barn in rabbit cages that are very long (they connect and measure 7 feet across), so they have plenty of jumping room. The cages sit above concrete so cleaning up their mess is easy with a broom and catcher. I would NOT recommend they be kept indoors. After much research, I found that rabbits need tons of attention AND they need to be left out of their cage. They chew anything and everything so you cannot have them around any cords whatsoever. They poop A LOT too. I have to sweep every single day out there and they leave over 100 pellets a day. It's a mess and can't imagine the mess and smell indoors.
This is just my opinion. Also, people are highly allergic to rabbit hair. You have to consider that factor. I reallly hated to burst your buble, but these rabbits we keep outdoors are more maintenance than I have some days. Good luck in whatever you decide to do.
I've witnessed indoor rabbits
and they are quite destructive with their chewing. I was in a business where a rabbit was allowed to roam. It was destroying the wood trim all around the room, and also chewing the couch fabric. We had an outside rabbit when I was a kid. She died of a foot infection. I read those are fairly common in rabbits.
If you keep the rabbit outside, be aware that many dog breeds can't help themselves around rabbits ... my two, for example.
And hamsters are huge escape artists. Since they are nocturnal, they escape at night. It's a real pain, especially if you have a cat.
I just use cat and dog names. Have enough I haven't had to go to poultry/rabbits yet. nm
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I am allergic to cats, rabbits and dogs BUT sm
I live happily and allergy free with my miniature poodle! She sleeps IN MY BED and I don't sneeze or wheeze, my eyes don't swell, my throat doesn't close, NOTHING. She woke me up her favorite way yesterday morning...rubbing her short top knot all over my face and chin while she is snorts so I wake up giggling. Not a sneeze.
In all fairness, she is bathed at least once every 2 weeks, sometimes weekly. I groom her myself (as in shaving her) and I don't have problems.
Poodles are under rated for intelligence especially what are viewed as nervous, little yappy miniatures. Poodles are only like that if they have morons for owners. I respect my poodle's intelligence by believing her in abilities and teaching her patiently. She is so well behaved it is not believable! When my kids were here for my daughter's wedding, my younger son was very surprised when I gave my dog a direction in 2 words only (Her name and NO!) pointing where I wanted her to go. There was no sneaking behind my back, no trying again, no being told twice, she was perfect. Her owner is not a moron and she is not nervous.
Don't disrespect and underrate a poodle!
Sorry, I got off track, but I SO LOVE MY POODLE!!!!! This woman's best friend is her dog.
Heat for outdoor pets? Anyone know? (sm)
We have two outdoor dogs and I want to be able to keep them warm at night - if we bring them inside in their crates they cry all night - and if we let them loose they go wild in the house. They love to run and play outside all day and are very loving and friendly and happy - but not indoor types of dogs. We have a barn they can go in at night but I still would like some type of heat for them. I am afraid they might chew the electrical heated mats. Anyone have ideas? Thanks
Chances are, this is an outdoor, nondominational
codes against taking them to a church service, because that would open up a whole nother can of worms.
But really... home-teaching shouldn't be the ONLY input a child gets in life. They will ultimately make their own choices in life, and the more viewpoints they learn, the better their choices are likely to be.
Some of the wildest, most out-of-control kids I know are the ones with ultra-strict parents. Worse yet are the home-schooled, who go out into the world without a good working knowledge of how to deal with diversity.
And look where home-teaching about sex, birth-control, and abstinence has gotten us. More and more teenagers giving birth every day. sex education in the home is pathetically lacking for most kids, and so is home-schooling when it comes to morals and values. And I'm not talking about biblical 'morals', I'm talking about an every-day, common-sense personal CONSCIENCE. Far too many parents I meet appear to be sadly lacking in common sense or a conscience.
we have indoor/outdoor cats
They are allowed to come and go as they please. They have all their shots. We have never had any complaints. I have had five cats that were both indoor and outdoor. One died of old age at 14 and one of heart disease at 12 1/2, one was hit on the road at 3, and the other two are still here. They are 8 and 6. They enjoy going out, and I wouldn't want to take that away from them. We have 5 acres and they probably stay mostly on our land, but I really don't know for sure. Actually, the 8 yo probably doesn't go very far; he usually only wants to stay out for 10 minutes.
buy a very loud outdoor dog that will not shut up???
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We started out with 2 rabbits indoors, and then moved them outdoors because..sm
we found out that they were male and female instead of two females!! This past spring we ended up with babies and kept all of them. We got rid of the male rabbit shortly after the female became pregnant because he was so aggressive. We now have seven rabbits and love them!! My husband built a huge rabbit area on our land (we live in the country) and my kids love taking care of them and playing with them. The short time they were in the house they were really no problem. My sister in law has several in her house also with no problem. She tried doing the potty training and litter thing, but it just didnt work out that well.
...too. Sis has an outdoor planter fountain with a clematis
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Dogs are CoCo, Max, and Monroe. Cat is named KeKe. Rabbits are...sm
Snowy, Snowball, Butterbean, Cotton, Arrow (he has a perfect black arrow on his back!), Cow, Sandy patches, and Lil Fry because she was our runt last year!
Gottah share. Last fall we got 2 rabbits. Was told both were females. Guess what? sm
That's not true! We had a swim party over here and the kids went to check on the rabbits and there were 10 in there! OMG. I didn't believe them at first, but then they started describing the scene and I knew they weren't kidding. The rabbits stay up at our barn where we housed our goats.
Anyways, I guess the people we bought them from can't tell the difference between male and female! I pray these babies survive. They are so tiny! The mom is huge. It's an addition to our family......We are excited...Will keep you updated..
They make paint for everything now...from metal to even outdoor plastic furniture...I am sure there
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We have deer here also but
I hope never to see a bear out in the open here. I know no matter how cute, they are still wild. Just on the news yesterday morning a guy who had permit to raise deer killed by 1 of them while feeding as male in rut and he and his family knew aggressive. He had all kind of wildlife on property including beer. Like your own animals, they can and will turn sometimes.
Is it an albino deer?
If so they don't usually live long. Eyesight in all albinos bad. Also, easier for predators to spot.
albino deer
Native Americans think they're sacred. I can't remember the legend but I think it's amazingly good luck to you.
Deer for pets
I am having a similar problem with my neighbor. Her yard adjoins our yard and she puts out food for the deer right on the property line. I don't mind the deer as they are pretty to watch, but it has gone from 2-3 deer from 5 years ago to nearly 10 deer constantly including bucks. They walk from the woods through our yard to go to her yard to eat. It has gotten to the point where the deer are roaming about all hours of the day, not just at dusk. I, too, see them roaming the neighborhood. One has come up on my front porch before. I have small children as do my other neighbors and I am concerned that they are going to startle the deer and someone might get bitten. I tell my kids to not to ever approach the deer and give them their distance. I am also concerned about deer ticks too.
I asked her if she would not feed the deer on the property line as it is causing a potentially unsafe situation and she got very huffy about it and said she was an animal lover and it was her right to feed the deer if she so desired. I tried to explain to her about the kids, not only mine but other kids, and the dangers of wild animals being in the yard and roaming around and she basically told me to "mind my own business."
I don't know in Pennsylvania what the laws are about having deer for pets or feeding them, etc, but I have heard in other states it is illegal.
I'm a deer widow this weekend SO
I'm cleaning out the closets and going through my husband's drawers. I swear he has underwear that I don't know what in the world they could cover since they are so tattered!
I'd like to clean my desk and under my bed as well but that may have to wait until he's gone again next weekend.
Is it legal to keep a wild deer as a pet? sm
Someone has had a wild pet deer for a pet in our subdivision for a few years now. I am a serious animal lover myself, but it has gotten rather old having this deer roaming through the roads and, most of all, eating landscape plants down to nothing. We have sprayed deer repellent on nearly everything, but the one little area we miss will be chewed right away. Besides, we have to keep doing it over and over and this stuff is not cheap. Really getting tiresome. Do not want to be mean, but what rights do the homeowners in here have??
I do believe it's illegal to feed the deer in PA
because of the harm it causes (see other postings). Your neighbor might get in some serious trouble for doing this. My father and uncles were deer hunters and every year would put salt licks out for them, but about 30 years ago, they stopped. I really don't know the reason, but I would seriously do some checking on this.
You could tell your neighbor that she's making it easier on the hunters as they will start trusting humans and think that they (hunters) are coming to feed them. If that doesn't get her to stop, then show some printed material on the laws. DH isn't hunting this year or I would look it up in the manual he used to get.
Yes, indeed, it is illegal to feed deer in PA.
It's never a good idea to feed them, anywhere. I was just reading an article about this. When deer are fed, they tend to concentrate where the food is being left for them. The local population of deer increases, the food left out for them is not enough to support all of the deer, and so many of them starve. It's actually counter-productive. Deer adapt to the winter weather. They spread out in their environment. Their metabolism slows. They move less and eat less. Some die over the winter, of course. It is nature, after all. But feeding them is not good for them. Your animal loving neighbor is actually hurting the deer.
Think you need a permit to actually keep deer as pets...sm
but I couldn't find anything on the Game Commission website about it being illegal to feed them. They do strongly discourage it, though, for a lot of what you posted.
If you have not yet seen the deer and cat video treat yourself to
something wonderful. Copy and paste and enjoy. This is truly beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rooyt3ptNco
no kids, no deer - will that stuff keep other animals off?
Home Depot is just around the corner - I have a 6 foot stockade fence and live in the city - I am sure there are no deer - possibly possoms, no deer.
chittlins and mauls....deer jerky...sm
Anyone else out there cooking specialty items for the holiday? Cat
There were a lot of albino deer in Shenandoah Natl Park.
I don't know if they are still a "problem". A while back, hunters were asked to specifically look for and thin them from the herds -- something to do with weakening the gene pool. I don't know anything about wildlife management, but I know that I've seen a good number of albino deer in SNP. It is exciting to see them!
Oh, my dog is Michael Jordan. I swear she's part deer!
We just moved to the country, but when we lived in town, she jumped the fence I don't know how many times. When she wants in the house, it's not enough to simply scratch on the door, she has to jump six feet in the air and basically throw herself into the door.
I just get so frustrated. I was at friends house who has a golden retriever and they have a little bell hanging from their back doorknob and when their dog wants out, he simple rings the bell and same thing on the outside of the door too. I was incredulous. How did they get their dog to do that?!?!?!
I forgot: ecargots, rabbit-, deer- shark-meat.s are no,no for me, too..nm
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In my garden
Rose of Sharon's are about done blooming, butterfly bush is about spent because of the heat, day lilies were done blooming weeks ago! I do have one of the popular new rose bushes but I think the heat is affecting it in that it looks healthy but is not producing buds.
I cannot grow a geranium with a plug nickel. I have begonias that are doing well in pots. Marigolds do well and a purple salvia which are pretty together. I do have some petunias but my schedule has been so hectic the last few weeks that I haven't been able to take good care of them and pinch of the spent blooms. I think the heat is taking its toll on them too.
Thanks for sharing. Enjoy your 75-degree whether. The temp here is over 100 today with heat index of around 108! We desparately need rain.
Me either. I have a big garden tub
and I resent the space it takes up. What I want to do is get it out and move the washer and dryer into that space. One small tub in the house is enough for me. So I'd say most people will care more about the shower and not care about fanciness of a tub. It should look good, take up little space, and be easy to clean. A clawfoot would mean you'd have to mop under and behind it. Not great.
We are also trying to get a garden going as well.
I am also been trying to plan my menu on what is on special.
Have always had a garden. Usually have (sm)
my menu based around what we have ready in the garden. Have green onions, lettuce and radishes now. Peas coming on soon and strawberries will be turning soon. As more stuff comes on I find I buy less and less from the grocery store and usually either can or freeze the surplus. My chickens enjoy any spoiled produce thus cutting down on my feed bills for them. I have always enjoyed these things, but this year I will really appreciate the money I will be saving as well.
Hope all of us have bumper crops this year.
I used to keep it in the garden tub!
The silly cat still made a mess, but at least the dogs couldn't get to it, even if they got past the baby gate in the hall.
I would have a huge garden - nm
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Herb garden
My friends planted a herb garden in thiers. They built a square flower garden probably 6 x 6 or so, lined with 4 x 4 timbers or something of the such, planting colorfull flowers at ground level but in the tub they planted a herb garden. Oh it smelled so good. Chives, mint, sage, thyme, rosemary, lemon balm (made the most relaxing tea from those leaves, just pick and steep).
It truly is exciting at the Garden
Just wanted to add that when I was down on the floor the first day at breed judging I called my sister back home and she was amazed. She said, Oh my God, that sounds like so much fun! All around you could see people in seats, people standing, people all over the floor, cheering, etc. It is infectious in the best sense. The day goes by so quickly. Best In show has to be seen to be believed! They turn the lights way down and you can hear a pin drop. When the Golden Retriever went around I literally thought the place would come down. When the Dalmation, Boomer, one for nonsporting a woman about three seats from us shot up out of her seat and cheered. What fun, what a magical night to see over 20,000 people standing and cheering for man's best friend. I am so excited just talking about it. Thanks for your interest. As you see, I could go on and on. I have memories that will last forever! I tape it every year and have several years to watch.
oh drats, no garden.
just weeds and dog doo-doo.
Envy those who grow, tho.
planting a garden
I have planted a garden this year. Also as other posters I am trying to plan my shopping around coupons and store sale ads. I live in a rural area so I am planning more day trips to get things done and not running out 2-3 times a week. If possible, its done in one trip on Saturday or Sunday. I am also planning on getting a laundry line outside because I have heard it can have a significant impact on your utilities if you dry clothes outside as opposed to the dryer and started letting my dishwasher air dry instead of heat dry. Every little bit will adds up these days. Not as many weekend trips being planned for this summer either. Those that are being considered are old fashioned tent camping.
Fresh lettuce from the garden!
 Luv that stuff. Your sammy sounds delicious! Yummmm... TX for sharing...
Interesting front garden
Interesting use of wooly thyme.
Summer garden blahs
Any gardners out there? Here in Indiana we are in the midst of this heat wave. Our temps have run in the high 90's to over 100 for about the last two weeks. My flower beds really have the blahs! Any suggestions what to put in them right now? I know mums are right around the corner but a little too early for that. Any suggestions of something that will come up each year that brightens the garden in Aug-Sept. My beds were so pretty this spring and early summer. I'd like to hear your suggestions!
You know, that's what the doc said! He told me to plant a garden or
pick weeds! Amazing. I remember one time recently when I was really PMDDing I wanted to rip my family's head off (each member one by one) but sat outside on the step, in the dark and heard the leaves move in the breeze. I sat out there for I don't know how long and I contained myself and felt more peaceful. It was not weed picking (it was at night), bust just being outside of the house in the cool air listening to the nothing of nature really helped.
I do think with this job I feel guilty to leave the house. Or maybe if I do leave I will never come back, LOL. I did get a red schwinn for Christmas from my husband (a hint to get out of the house I guess), and every day I think of a reason not to get out there. We are so lucky to work at home, I wonder why I dont just do it?
Thanks for all of your suggestions everybody. I am going to make a list of all these things and together I bet I will feel much better. I do already just for your helping me here. Thank you so much! :)
I may try a veggie garden this year too.
in the past i have not had time to keep up with one but i think i will this year while working at home for MQ. maybe you have tried everything for your garden eaters, don't know but I have heard you can sprinkle black pepper all over the garden and it will keep a lot of animals out bc they do not like the smell. you have to reapply with rain but it might be worth a try.
i normally have flowers galore! but i may do some veggies this year as you said they are getting SO expensive in the stores. i have had great luck with barrel gardens in the past and they look really nice on a patio.
I'm jealous that you have garden food ready now...sm
Good luck keeping the critters out so you can eat it all yourself!
garden, fewer trips to the store - sm
Watching the sale papers for really good deals and planning meals around those. Safeway and Albertsons usually have a few 10 for $10 sales every week. I will max out those sales on a couple items if we use a lot of them.
Trying to stretch a gallon of milk is getting more expensive too. Powdered milk is skyrocketing along with everything else but it still does make a gallon last a little longer so will keep doing that. We go through at least a gallon a day, sometimes more.
Telling the kids that I am not the local taxi service for their friends and cannot provide them transportation here and there all the time. My own kids will have to work harder to combine their schedules to cut back on needless trips too.
If one is one place and another somewhere else, I will only drop off or pick up ONCE.
Used to be that the kids would have me running 4-5 trips a day. No more. If they can't leave or be picked up at the same time, too bad.
I fertilize my garden with kelp and magnesium
And I take a supplement. It is wonderful stuff. I filter my water also and take vitamins, but guilty of not giving up diet sodas!
There are a lot of yoga positions for thyroid also that you can really feel it working!
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