Animal abuse was finally passed as a felony
Posted By: TM on 2007-07-20
In Reply to: R U serious? - eyetypeOU
and it should be enforced as such...for good reason. These "kids" would probably not think twice about taking a human life. It is well documented that people who will abuse animals will/and do all sorts of other criminal activity. To say they only need counseling and help is not right in my opinion. They DO need counseling, but they also need to pay for the crime they did, period.
Do you not think someone with repeated DWIs probably has a mental problem and has had crap thrown at them as a child? But you would probably want them to serve a sentence. Anyone who engages in criminal activity such as this or repeated criminal activity probably has not had a good upbringing. That does not mean that they do not serve their sentence though.
To compare hollywood celebrities who walk away from DUIs to this case is crazy. If anything, don't let them off cause the others are being let off. Instead, why don't you advocate that more is done in our justice system to assure everyone has to pay for their criminal activity. I do not think 3 years is too much at all. During those 3 years, hopefully they will also get the help they need too.
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What constitues animal abuse
I would like to know what you all think about this situation. Our neighbor next door has been gone almost 12 days. We just moved here so do not know them. The day they left there was a little sheltie dog that found its way to our yard and all weekend long laid under their truck and on their front lawn and ours. We gave it food and water, but it had no collar. Couldn't bring ourselves to call authorities as the life span is not long for strays. 3 days later it was gone, we assumed its owner found her or she found her way home. A few days ago we heard a dog crying and found her in the back yard of our neighbors who have been gone a long time but she is being given food and water. She has just been alone for almost two weeks and crying from only what we can assume is loneliness. Don't know our neighbors enough that when they return to say anything to them but I sure feel like giving them a piece of my mind. If we didn't have a cat we would have taken her in. It is so heartbreaking to think people don't think of their pets as anything more than a piece of property like an old shawl they don't know what to do with anymore. Just want to know what people think about this. I about cried myself to sleep last night thinking of how she must feel.
some advice about animal abuse
turn him in as soon as possible. People like that do not deserve animals. Someone ought kick him once in awhile.
Call the Animal Protection Society in your area immediately. I can't stand people who abuse animals and someone who knows this is being done and not doing anything about it is just as bad
Need some advice about possible animal abuse sm (this is long)
my son rode school bus home with a friend to the friend's house last friday (i had never been to their house, but his friend has been here once and i've talked a few times with parents on the phone). these people some like really nice people, very religious. i went to pick up my son friday evening and was a little shocked. had a weird vibe about the dad right off the bat. i don't like to judge people at all, but when i first saw him i thought hoosier, looked kinda creepy to me. their house was ok, but i felt dirty when i left. he has a couple of dogs, one he says he doesn't like that it's the most stupid dog he's ever seen (extremely adorable dog! seems very lovable) and another dog that has puppies and he bragged "listened to him very well". when i was getting ready to leave, this "momma" dog comes around to the front and seemed extremely scared, especially when he was by her. he was trying to show me how good his dog listened to him. but she was putting her head down, slouching down like he's getting ready to strike her. it made me feel so uncomfortable. i'm a HUGE animal lover. so the next day my son goes back for a b-day party. on the way to their house, my son tells me that the dad kicked the "momma" dog because she was eating the cat's food. (the cat is really skinny too). when i got to the house i was able to get a better look at this dog because it was daylight and the poor thing looks so unhappy and her rear end area looks like her hair is coming off, i don't know if it's mange or what. i just felt so helpless for this dog.
i called my vet office and asked them who can i call if i suspect animal abuse (we don't have a local humane society or ASPCA type place, just animal control), and they said the police. i'm kinda scared, because my son really likes his friend and i don't want to cause problems, but these people have six kids (they seem like really nice kids, well mannered). but the look on the dog's face just breaks my heart and here it is tuesday and i can't get those two dogs out of my mind. oh, another thing, when i was leaving there friday evening i said something about keeping the kittens (yes, they have kittens too) away so i don't hit any and he said something like it's ok, if they get in the way, owell.
so my question is do i get a hold of the police and tell them this???? i just want the dogs taken away. i want to be anonymous. i don't want to cause trouble for this family, but just want the animals taken away. the dad told me that this is the third litter of puppies for this momma dog since last november, and if he finds out who the daddy is ........ well i thought to myself, why don't you get her spade. i was furious! i thought about writing a letter to the police station. what do you all think?
thanks
To be charged with a felony, that is pretty
significant for me. I definitely would not call this petty but like I said different people look at it, same as some folks think alright to smoke marijuana and then others consider a crime. I just believe in taking the high road myself. Remember, it was not just a bad burger, we are talking about a person going to the hospital. I would not consider petty with putting someone in the hospital, maybe intentionally. I am glad she was arrested from the demeanor I see. Yeh for the police.
Good idea, but they do not take anyone with a felony background. sm
With the felony charges from the credit card and the meth addiction, I doubt she'd qualify. Believe it or not, not everyone can get into the military. LOL
Best tip that was passed on to me was -
half price tickets for Broadway shows at ticket place in Times Square- go in the morning and see what they have available for the evening. Not everything available - but we was able to see 2 shows instead of the one I had planned for. There is a nice Marriott right there - pricey but it is gorgeous and very centrally located. We stayed at an older hotel - can't remember it now - we didn't spend much time in the room - daughter was in dance competitions and between practice and performances we only got there long enough to crash. It was really a bargain - clean but small.
My MIL passed away....
right before our 3rd anniversary, so unfortunately didn't get to know her as well as I could have, but she was a very nice lady. Her husband, on the other hand...well, my FIL has been very generous in some respects and in others, he is just a giant PITA. He can be so mean sometimes I could just scream. As he has gotten older, the filter between his brain and his mouth has deteriorated to the point that I think he needs a replacement. 
My husband has an older brother and his sister died 15 years ago  . We all get along well with BIL and his family. Our one nephew is at our house as much as our own kids, which is great. I always lived 2 hours away from my cousins.
My sister also married a great guy and we all go on vacation together with my parents every summer.
I think I'm pretty lucky! 
I'm sorry he passed away, but
you are right - it sounds like he died a very happy horse, cherished and doing what he wanted to be doing.
He was a handsome boy.
When my dad passed away very
suddenly at age 70 we were very sad and went through all the emotions of what you said. It took us a couple of days to realize what dad said to us for all those years before we planned a celebration of his life and everything changed the day we planned the memorial. Everybody grieves in different ways. Some cry, some celebrate the life the person lived.
My dad was a jokester and always said when he passed to just put him in a cardboard box and drop him (for years we were told this). He lived his life like he wanted. When we were planning the memorial for him, as we had him cremated, the funeral director must have thought he met the craziest family ever. I went with my mom to pick out an urn for him along with some other family members. Sitting there going through the brochure and just like reading a book I turned to the last page and just started cracking up, laughing so hard I started crying. I start getting kicks under the table, evil eyes from others and weird looks from the funeral director. They all turn to the last page and there on the back page is this dilapidated cardboard box and they all started cracking up with me. By this time everyone is laughing and crying and mom is saying "should I" - she didnt. That was when everything turned for us. Dad was probably looking down at us laughing thinking that we would do it. He was very vocal for years about how he wanted to go and be remembered and it took that one day to realize that for us.
Food should be passed to the right, or
counter-clockwise, For additional information on dining etiquette, please consult Manners 2000 Volume I Social Graces and Table Manners Video.
I mom passed away last September..sm
I cannot put into words how awful this has been. My mom was only 63 and not sick when she passed. She was my best friend...my entire life. I truely understand what you are feeling. I miss having her here for holidays, birthday parties, and everything else. This year on Mother's Day it had to be the worst day ever, as my birthday fell right on Mother's Day. I hate when people tell me she is in a better place and blah..blah..blah. Why is that better than here with her family where we all loved and cherished her? The only thing I know is that it does not get any better with time. The only thing you can do is take it one day at a time and always remember the love you have for them. I remember my mom everyday and cry for her and love her everyday. My heart aches knowing it will never be the way it used to be. My prayers are for you and what you are feeling. Take Care.
When my mother passed away sm
the only thing she had specified was the burial service. My brother and I chose to have donations made to the church (my mother and my family all attended the same church) and the money was specified for youth programs. I recieved many cards, all were addressed to the entire family. They truely brought me some comfort. Personal messages inside are very thoughtful and truely touched my heart I still get them out from time to time and that also helps. I still remember exactly who called a few weeks later just to see how I was getting along, so definitely do that.
My dad passed away recently too
You say you think it is disrespectful to cremate and memorialize later.
Some things you should take into consideration. Did your cousin pass away far from home? My dad did. In fact, he was 1610 miles from home, on the road, with only my mother there with him. Options were limited.
Secondly, where is the family? All of us kids are on the west coast, my dad's family is in the mid west. As a matter of fact, my mom and dad had just sold their home here on the west coast and moved back to my dad's home town less than one month ago.
Third, who are you to decide what is the best for everyone? Our IMMEDIATE family has lost a father, husband, and grandfather. It is our choice and we are the ones who were informed of his wishes prior to his death, not our cousins, aunts, uncles, etc... How would you know?
I don’t like expired and also don’t like passed on
passed to where? Get this, our newspaper publishes Happy Birthday in the paper to people who have died years before - I did not think you had a birthday, much less a happy birthday after you died.
Gerald Ford passed away, he was 93. RIP.
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Angels passed by our home
only 2 months ago and my dad took his heavenly flight.
Only a God-called grandmother could love you as she did. The only way your grandmother could have ever share such love for you was first being loved by God. Paradise is her home!
My dad had COPD and was diagnosed with cancer in November of 2006 and sent home with hospice with 6 months to live. He passed away in less than 2 months.
He asked hospice to please not let him "smother to death." His last 2 weeks were exactly as you described. I had difficulty watching as he was administered morphine and Ativan because I knew the morphine would suppress his respiratory system even more. He was on oxygen but struggled with every breath. He began to conserve all his energy just to breathe. He was alert but spoke very little. He was given only water via sponge and all medications were stopped the week of his passing. My family and I were by his bedside the entire time, and every day he became more weaker. He asked that we pray that the Lord would come soon, and all this time I'm trying to convince my family that we needed to take a more aggressive approach (IV fluids and blood transfusion). Early morning on the day of his death he became unconscious. There was the most precious, sweet comfort and peace felt by everyone in the room at the exact moment my dad drew his last struggling breath and took his heavenly flight.
As 2 months have now passed, I realize the care he received was appropriate, and hospice was loving and caring. I just wasn't ready to "let my dad go."
May you feel God's presence in the sweet memory of your grandmother. Grandmothers are earthly angels from God.
food passed to the right but if someone is serving
Once, right in the nose and fell down/passed out
for a few minutes. Ouch! It was 25+ years ago by another girl over a boy, but unfortunately she was probably double my weight. My sisters weren't very helpful, they lifted me back up and while I was still stumbling around and seeing double said ''get her!''. Yeah, sure. Even the girl was decent enough to know I couldn't handle any more. So I took the loss :(
congress passed no law in 2005
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U.S. and Canada (where DST is observed):The U.S. Energy Policy Act of 2005, passed by the U.S. Congress July 2005, extended daylight saving time in the U.S. by approximately four weeks. As a result, beginning in 2007, DST for the U.S. will start three weeks earlier on March 11, 2007, and end one week later on November 4, 2007, resulting in a new DST period that is four weeks longer than previously observed. These four weeks are referred to in this article as the "extended DST period." Visit MSN Encarta for more general information about DST. Canada chose to follow the U.S. change, in regions where DST is observed.
U.S. 2007 change in daylight saving time:
Previously DST started on: With the new law, DST will start on: Previously DST ended on: With the new law, DST will end on:
First Sunday of April Second Sunday of March Last Sunday of October First Sunday of November
Would have been: April 1, 2007 Will now be: March 11, 2007 Would have been: October 28, 2007 Will now be: November 4, 2007
Other regions: Microsoft is providing updates for several other regions or countries that have enacted time zone changes in 2007, including:
I passed around several transcription books -sm
at the beginning of a semester to a class at a business school for the 20+-year-old students to see various TX resources available and afterwards, one book was "missing". I was very surprised. Bottom line: The bookstore was out the book, and I hated the loss for the school. Actually the bookstore was probably out twice for the book if it was afterwards returned to the bookstore for resale by the student who stole it.
Michigan passed it and I support it.
I think anyone who is seriously ill should have whatever is available to help ease their pain. I know it helps with nausea of chemotherapy too. I think it should be decriminalized. People are killed every day by drunk driving or those who go into violent rages or blackouts. Most pot smokers will only get enraged if you try to take away their Dorito's! 
I agree....and pills are just passed out
Like candy anymore. I see people come into the office with a list of meds so long they cannot possibly remember the names... also, even though doctors claim they can prescribe 10 different meds for a patient without interactions, I worry about that. How can they possibly know that, especially when every human being's chemistry is a little different. ??
Farrah Fawcett has passed away. RiP sm
When I would walk down the halls at my junior high, Farrahs were everywhere, on nearly every boy's locker door. They even called the main hall "Farrahway" because her image was everywhere. I struggled to keep my hair like hers with a curling iron and a few cans of AquaNet a week. She was very much a part of my youth.
RIP, Farrah.
I know exactly how it feels. After Dad passed away, Mom came to live with me permanently.
I have 2 sons, one almost 21 and the other 8 y.o. and I can tell you it is not easy. Some may remember in the old days how some parents would keep their kids in check by scaring the living daylights out of them by telling them stories such as the boogy man, demons, etc. My Mom tried that several times and I did put my foot down, and respectfully but firmly told her that I didn't want her to do this. My 8 y.o. also likes to play with me like yours do, and he did try that with Mom one time and I got the same results, "he hit me, your son is disrespectful." I also told my little one not to "play" with Grandma like he does with me, especially in view of the fact that she does have severe varicose veins all throughout her legs (he calls them the worms on Grandma's legs, but of course never to her face). She also goes about the fat tummy, etc. I told her also nicely that those kind of comments even though not meant to degrade, children perceive them very differently than adults. It has boiled down to the point, that my sons basically doesn't interact much with her. I understand that as the "oldest" in the house, Mom feels she knows how the house should be "run" and what she says is the "law" but she also has to understand that she has come into a "new family." Yes, I'm still her daughter and will always love and respect her, and do everything I can for her. There is just isn't and easy solution. If you tell the children not to interact too much, then they take it as the kids don't like them or your turning the kids againt them. If the children get too friendly, then they are disrepectful and have no manners. Just take it a day at a time, big breaths, inhale and exhale.
Voted for your hospital and passed on info
to the officers of my Civil War Round Table. If I read the map correctly, ya'll are just down the road from the Andersonville National Historic Site. I hope they will either put it out as an E-mail broadcast to the membership or put a blurb in our newsletter. Our big auction to raise funds for battlefield preservation is Friday. I've signed up to make an announcement there. We may be up north, but we do have a contingent of loyal Confederates (smile) and some experience with tornados.
Phone calls are defininely in order here first! Passed
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Mandatory spay/neuter was just passed in Calif -
and although we already have too many laws, if we hadn't passed this one, no one would both to spay/neuter. There are SO many unwanted animals out there - often because people are too lazy, or too cheap, too uneducated about what really happens to most of these animals, (or all of the above). The mandatory spay/neuter doesn't include breeders (who will pay for a license), but helps to close down some of the backyard breeders. I once had a cat that was a beautiful purebred, confiscated from BYB who kept 100's of them in squalid, inhumane conditions.
Daughter just passed her state nursing boards. Whoopeee!!!! (sm)
She worked weekends only while she was in school and had 2 children 8 and 5. Child support was fairly regular to the big tune of $329 a month. She did get state assistance on daycare for the youngest, her friend owned a mobile home and let her use it for free, just paying lot rent. We helped with utilities, clothing, and food. Her sister did the babysitting weekends while she worked and helped out while she studied at night. All in all, it was a combined effort and we are all so proud. She worked hard to get to the point where she can now buy a nice home and support her children on her own. So proud, just had to brag.
Estelle Getty of the Golden Girls passed away this morning SM
at age 84 after suffering with advanced dementia for the last several years. What a talent. The Golden Girls is my all time favorite show and I still watch it every day and never get tired of it.
One of Vergie's (Anna Nicole's mother) attorneys passed out. He said he is a diabetic. nm
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Okay, Utah passed a law permitting college students to now carry guns. sm
I am very for this and think it's a great idea. Now let's see how many colleges in Utah have shoot outs like those in the other states. I bet shooters will think twice about going in and blowing a place up knowing that there are probably many people carrying concealed weapons. I would feel much safer in a Utah college than anywhere else.
I'd say yes they really did abuse
the 'emergency' but rather than contacting an attorney I would just try to recall where you might have given her contact information - call them and change ASAP and I would not even fill in that spot in the future citing your experience in these two situations and the problems it caused and if they fuss - give them a phoney name and addy and let it go. I think it is there for your safety really, secondly for them to collect should you not pay a bill - I have only been called once in my 55 years as my son got behind on his credit union car payment and they traced me down through 3 counties - so think you definitely had an unusual experience.
Abuse
Call your local shelter and they will advise you on ways to leave safely. NEVER take abuse - physically, verbally, or mentally from anyone. Forget the church kid, learn to love yourself, and lead by example for your children. If you act like a doormat, do not be suprised when you get stepped on!
You need a long time on your own before you are ready to think about entering another relationship. You are not out of your present relationship yet, but you can be if that is your decision. Best wishes to you.
Lilly
I think it is abuse.
Take the poor doggy into your house. Your cat may hide, but my guess is the dog will ignore the cat. I got my Sheltie when I had 2 cats and they all got along just fine. Please don't leave this poor thing outside, especially if it hot in your area. If you cannot bring it in, call the authorities. It is kinder than leaving her out to suffer.
It is ABUSE!
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This IS animal abuse. Thankfully, in most states animal cruelty is becoming a felony. In my state (NY) it can be punishable up to $5000. Animal abandonment is also a felony with one year in jail and up to $1000 fine. Failure to provide proper nutrients is another law that seems to have been broken.
Our animals needs protection from the elements, proper food and water (and not just a bowl to catch rain water,either) They also need love and companionship, and by this I mean not regulated to the backyard to vegetate.
Animals can think....how do explain service dogs, search and rescue, and guide dogs? Have you ever seen a dog given a task to do and watch him/her go through the paces to get it done?
As I stated before, contact an area dog club to see if they have members willing to help, or if they know of a Sheltie rescue who can help. Contact your area vets for such phone numbers. Or, you can contact me and I'll see if I can locate a Sheltie rescue that can help.
Abuse
Your post makes me very sad. Your husband is abusive. Husbands and boyfriends come and go in our lives; however, family is ALWAYS family. Please seek counseling for yourself. You cannot change him. After you become stronger through counseling, you will see the situation clearly for what it is - abusive.
Call your sister and invite her for a visit. Better yet, get a plane ticket and go see her. Don't ask, just do it.
Best wishes.
Lilly
Abuse
Every county has a program for abused woman and children. You do not have to be physically abused for them to help you. Find out the name of the program near you, Domestic violence, Reach, etc. You can call them and they will allow you to take your children and live in a house, the whereabouts is not known to anyone on the outside. It is free and they are very caring. You can start there and they will help see that you and your children are safe away from this maniac. Good luck.
There's always abuse
of the system. Making it illegal doesn't stop that. There are a lot of drugs out there that are, in my opinion, worse than marijuana as far as addictive qualities and doctor's prescribe those drugs routinely and easily for things such as back pain which is not life threatening but can be debilitating. I think it would be much easier to hold standards to legal medical use marijuana than it would to criminalize alcohol and the numerous other prescription drugs that are out there and abused.
it's abuse duh
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Child abuse
That's your opinion - and pedofilia - obviously you did not BF or have a good bond with your children. Do you also consider it child abuse that I did not use disposable diapers? What about the fact that I worked as a wet nurse? Some things are just natural - You should read the book, The Family Bed - BF may be looked upon differently in the US - but that is only cultural - and I do not bend to cultural issues - I did as I pleased - and no one else cared or ever even discouraged me from BF my son as long as I did. Unless you've been there - you do not understand - sorry for you.
It is not abuse, but it is neglect
If you cannot take the dog in, I would definitely call the authorities. It is completely unfair and wrong for the dog to be left alone outside for that long with no shelter and no place to go. Who knows, maybe your cat and they dog will get along. I have 3 cats and a 128-pound German shepherd, and they call get along just fine together! But, if you cannot do this, just call the authorities for help/advice. I'm sure the dog would want you to do this so that it can get out of this situation!
Abuse causing this?
I had a son (I hear boys are worse than girls) who wet the bed until probably early teens. My aunt was a nurse, said NOT to belittle, get after, etc., etc. He definitely was NOT abused. Think children just do sometimes. I was told he would grow out of it and he did.
Sibling abuse
I picked up my 6-YO grandson today to bring him to my house for the weekend. When I got there I could tell he'd been crying and had a puffy bottom lip. He showed me where he had a missing tooth and said his 8 1/2-YO half brother (not my grandson) knocked it out. His mom sits on the couch and says nothing to dispute it, so I'm sure it's true. This brother is also his babysitter after school until mom and step-dad get home.
Not too long ago DHS was involved and step-dad was charged with abusing my grandson. Of course they always try counseling first before thinking about removing a child from the home.
I constantly worry about the environment he is in as I've seen the way older brother treats him, but never anything quite like this. At what point is it considered sibling abuse as opposed to normal fighting that brothers might do. Is this something I should report to DHS?
p.s. His mom is just beginning to speak to me again. She blames me for the last DHS thing even though I wasn't the one who reported it (only because I didn't know about it). Once I heard about it, I did go make a report about neglect that I'd observed. Then they were conveniently busy for the next 5 weekends so I couldn't see my grandson. It's a long story, but there is nothing in writing about visitation. I have pretty much had visitation with him every other weekend for the last six years.
What to do.
Sibling abuse
They're home alone 2 to 3 hours before parents get home. Parents are trying to save money, which is the only important thing to them. I agree entirely that he is too young.
The thing is, parents were home today when this happened. They were probably just getting up. They do not get out of bed before 10 on the weekend, even though kids are up at 6 or 7. I pick my grandson up at 10, and he has not had breakfast yet. This is the norm.
Child abuse, hardly
My child was circumcised years ago, did fine. Years later my 2 male grandchildren were not circumcised and as they were aging were running into lots of trouble, could not retract the foreskin because as they grew, so did the foreskin, could not keep the penis clean and finally at an older age (when more painful for them) had to get circumcised. Well known fact, smegma collects there and causes infection and could lead to worst things than just infection, has been linked to penile cancer.
no, not child abuse. what will they think of next? SM
How about - combing the tangles out of your daughter's hair (ouch)?
or ripping off a band aide?
or making them eat their vegies?
Nah, and I NEVER pass on those round robin letters for good luck, money, love, etc. if passed on in
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Or maybe it's all that substance abuse she admitted to
I know I don't look like that and I'm close to that age. :P
THIS IS CALLED ELDERLY ABUSE
And the courts see it as this. You can have abuse other than striking a person. Taking advantage, which this is, of a person her age is something that needs to be nipped in the bud not tomorrow but immediately. A person can have an excellent mind, no dementia but are flattered when they think someone is smitten with them. Family and children services know about things like this. She is in a position for the right person to take plenty of advantage of whether it is her money or otherwise.
blatant emotional abuse
You say he is out and about all the time with work or just doing fun stuff.
Talk to an attorney then, when he leaves the next time, have the separation papers filed and put his rear end out. He has probably already talked to an attorney if he is trying to talk YOU into taking the kids and leaving.
A judge is going to be more favorable toward keeping the kids in their home.
His abusive behavior toward you touches on the kids emotional health too.
Give him the boot girl!
Boarding on abuse of the children
Ladies, you need to have a talk with these men. They are really abusing these children by running them down, waking them up from sleep? What gives with this? A child needs a lot of sleep anyway, more so than we do and why a person would harp on a child much less wake up from sleep to harp some more borders on nothing but abuse. The guys you are with need a wakeup call. Why are you letting them get away with this? They should find healthier outlets than what they have now.
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