Agree. Wouldn't base $1000s decsion on infor from different parts

• Cost of fence?? - sm
  • Thank you for those of you who gave valuable info! - sm
  • Pricing out privacy fence... - Hayseed
    • Hayseed, thank you so much for sm - jj
      • Kathie and Ellie, sittin in a tree! So adorable. - jj
  • cost of fence - old and tired MT
  • We put up some fencing 20 years ago. sm - T
  • I e-mailed you. nm - Becky
  • fence sm - me2
  • Measure, go to Home Depot and figure it out - sm -
    • Well, thanks for nothing! What is with you people today?! - sm
      • Whoa, what's with YOU? You're asking a bunch of mostly women MTs who probably - don't have a clue about fence cost. (sm)
        • Agree. Wouldn't base $1000s decsion on infor from different parts - of country. May not be same in your area. nm
        • dont have a clue - MT
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***UPDATE*** The Associated Press reveals more details about the shooter:

The suspect had been disarmed after an earlier incident at the center but returned with another weapon, according to a senior military official in Washington, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation into the shootings was ongoing.

***UPDATE*** The American soldier who shot dead five fellow soldiers at a U.S. base in Baghdad is in custody.

"The shooter is a US soldier and he is in custody," US marine corps lieutenant Tom Garnett, a US military spokesman in Iraq, told reporters.

The New York Times adds some perspective to the tragedy:

The killings appeared to be the worst case of soldier-on-soldier violence among the American forces based in Iraq since the invasion more than six years ago.
The shootings, which took place at a stress clinic, highlight the problem of post-traumatic stress disorder among U.S. soldiers, notes the Guardian:

Stress is one of the biggest killers of US soldiers in Iraq. About a fifth of all US troops are thought to be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, contributing to high divorce and suicide rates. An estimated one fifth of the 4,292 members of the US force in Iraq have died from non-combat causes, either in accidents or from suicide.
***UPDATE*** According to Fox News, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs Monday relayed President Obama's response to the tragedy. Obama expressed shock and sadness and is promising to fully investigate what exactly transpired at Camp Liberty, so as to prevent such incidents in the future.

***UPDATE*** AP has another update. The shooting was at a 'stress clinic':

Pentagon officials say five Americans are dead after a U.S. soldier opened fire at a U.S. base in Baghdad. They say the attacker is in custody.

The officials say the shootings happened on Camp Liberty at a stress clinic, where troops can go for help with the stresses of combat or stress from personal issues.

One senior military official in Washington says it's unclear whether those killed are workers at the clinic or were there for counseling. He says officials also are unsure whether all the dead are members of the military.

***UPDATE*** ABC News reports that the U.S. soldier who attacked fellow troops on a U.S, base in Iraq has killed five of them and is now in custody. Initial reports suggested that he had turned the gun on himself after his rampage.

***UPDATE*** AP now reports that the U.S. soldier who went on a rampage against his fellow troops in Iraq may have survived the incident:

Pentagon officials say five U.S. soldiers are dead after an American soldier opened fire at a U.S. base in Baghdad.

The officials say the shootings happened Monday at Camp Liberty near Baghdad's airport.

One senior military official in Washington said it was not yet clear whether the shooter was among the dead. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the circumstances surrounding the deaths are under investigation.

Initial reports indicated the Army soldier shot several others, then turned the gun on himself. But it was unclear whether he, too, had died.

***UPDATE*** CNN reports that 3 other U.S. soldiers were wounded during the friendly fire incident that has left 5 U.S. troops dead. An American soldier killed 4 of his fellow troops before killing himself.

According to the Washington Post, it is the single greatest loss of life in a single incident involving U.S. soldiers since a truck bomb last month took the lives of 5 American soldiers.

***UPDATE*** CNN has just sent out a breaking news alert reporting that senior defense officials have told the network that a US soldier killed 4 of his fellow troops before killing himself. Check back for more information.

McClatchy is reporting that a shooting at a U.S. base in Baghdad has left 5 soldiers dead. The shooting occurred at Camp Liberty, a base near the Baghdad airport.

When you're sick you may feel that certain body parts are more trouble than they're worth. And in some cases, you'd be right. While the human body has evolved and adapted significantly since the caveman days, a few biological traces of our prehistoric ancestors still remain with us in the form of freeloading body parts we lug around with us, but have no use for. Take a gander at the top offenders!

10. Plica semilunaris
You may not know it, but you have a third eyelid. Pull open the two more noticeable eyelids and take a look -- it's located right in the corner by the tear duct. This small third eyelid is left over from what's known as a "nictitating membrane," which is still present in full form in some animals including chickens, lizards and sharks.

9. Body hair
No doubt we were once hairier. Up until about 3 million years ago, we were covered with body hair. But by the time Homo erectus arrived, the ability to sweat meant we could shed our woolly ways.

8. Sinuses
Doctors don't really know much about sinuses -- only that we have a lot of them. Possibilities for their function range from insulating our eyes to changing the pitch and tone of our voice.

7. Adenoids
Adenoids trap bacteria, but they're also prone to swelling and infection. Just ask any 7-year-old. Luckily, our adenoids shrink with age and are often removed, along with ...

6. Tonsils
Also prone to swelling and infection. If you still have them when you reach your 30s, it's almost an accomplishment.

5. Coccyx
More useful as a game-winning Scrabble word than as part of the anatomy, the coccyx or tailbone, is made up of several fused vertebrae left over from the olden days when we had tails.

4. Arrector pili
When we were hairier (see No. 9), the arrector pili made the hairs stand on end when we needed to appear bigger and scarier. Now, it just gives us goose bumps.

3. Wisdom teeth
Back in the day, when we ate mammoth meat off the bone and didn't floss afterward, our teeth tended to fall out. Therefore, when those reserve molars, aka "wisdom teeth," came in, they were welcomed. Nowadays, fluoride and dental plans have made them just a huge pain.

2. Appendix
Darwin claimed the appendix was useful for digestion during our early plant-eating years; it's dwindled down to little since we started eating more digestible foods.

1. Male nipples
Because, why?

I wouldn't, either. I have a 4-year-old daughter who knows why I wear a bra and understands she will one day when she's a young woman. I'm sure the girls who do have bras so young are a little heavier, which brings on earlier development. I can understand that then. When we walk in a store, she loves to look at all the pretty pink pajamas and clothes, but she knows she can only look. I'll say maybe Santa will bring her something, but I won't allow her to beg me for something. My boys don't, either. My husband and I tell them before going to the store exactly what we are getting and that's it. I think 5 is too young for a bra. Same thing for pierced earrings, not until she's old enough to understand them and how to take care of them. This is a gimmie-gimmie world, but it's up to us parents.

Good luck!

While you may know these boys like they were your own, what if they have 'friends' that show up with other ideas?  Also, what about her reputation?  I know times have 'changed' but having a reputation to be proud of as your daughter gets older is definitely something that has not changed.  I wish you the best with this. 

Plus, it sounds like people will know since you know the bus driver.  You just never know who will be lurking.  I'm sorry, but I trust no one.  It is worth it to pay a neighbor or someone else until the child is at least a teenager.  Sorry, but my daughter is in 3rd grade, she'll be 9 in January, and I would not leave her here for an hour by herself especially if the bus driver knew it.  JMO.

rather be safe than sorry.  I have a third grader as well and there is no way I would let him stay home alone.  He will be nine in March.  I don't even leave him home alone to run to the store, which is 10 minutes away.  We live in the country, but it wouldn't matter where I lived.  Things happen so fast and you just never know.  It isn't just about not trusting your child, but trusting others as well.  What if a solicter was walking up to the house at the same time as your child?  What if someone was breaking into your house as your child walked through the door (this actually happened to my neighbors!  The boy was 14 and scared out of his mind.  He walked into the house and ran out when he realized what was happening.)

I also have a 19, 17, almost 9 and 7 year old.  I think my oldest was around 13 when I first let him stay home alone, but it was for short periods of time and we went over so many things.  What to do in case of a fire, answering the door and phone, etc.