About Jesus, God, and Santa
Posted By: Kitty on 2008-08-23
In Reply to: Santa - MomMT
If you truly believe in God, I am wondering if you feel your children will lose faith once they realize you have been spoofing about Santa. ?
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We need Jesus
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Not everyone needs/wants jesus nm
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Actually Jesus did say something about it
because Jesus is God and God is Jesus and the Holy Spirit is God and Jesus and Jesus and God are the Holy Spirit
:-D
How's that for confusing?
The Bible would not have survived to this day if God didn't agree with it. I said this in another post:
If someone wrote a book about what you "said" and it wasn't really what you said, wouldn't you do everything in your power to get rid of it? Now, if you had God's power, it'd be pretty easy to get rid of right?
Check out this page. It is a shortened version of the book by Josh McDowell I mentioned.
http://www.livingwaters.com/witnessingtool/Biblestandsalone.shtml
Jesus has a my space.
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Happy Birthday Jesus... nm
The secret: JESUS. It's so odd that everything they said on that show
as a Christian, was Christianity and they didn't even know it. The only huge difference is that they believe this huge "secret" is about yourself when we believe it's about Jesus. Instead of looking inward to do all of those things, we look outward and ask God to do those things for us and He never fails to do them. It's really no secret.
Jesus himself taught us not to judge others - let he who is without sin (sm)
cast the first stone. None of us has any right to say anything about how anyone else is living. We need to take care of the log in our own eye.... remember?
Talking with a nonChristian about Jesus
I have been reading this and I just wanted to offer a few thoughts:
1) No, you cannot go up to someone and say "YOU ARE A SINNER! REPENT" and expect a positive reaction. I think that God will give you opportunities to talk to people. When those opportunities arise, you ask for their permission to speak with them about it. If they say no, you drop it. I believe that God will open the hearts of those who are ready to hear it. If they do give you permission, you don't say "YOU are a sinner because I saw YOU lying to so and so, I heard that YOU were sleeping with so and so and you're not married, etc." At the moment of witnessing to someone, you better believe Satan is standing right there waiting for you to slip up so he can turn it against you. I think a better thing would be to say "Well God tells us in the Bible that WE are ALL sinners no matter what we do. That is why we need Jesus.
2) Back you're claims up with Bible verses. That way no one thinks you are saying this in you're own words. Some good Scripture for witnessing:
Romans 3:23 - "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"
Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
John 3:3 - "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
John 14:6 - "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
These are just some to get you started. If the person you are talking to has opened their heart to hearing you, I doubt they won't want to hear the verses.
3) If you get a positive reaction, don't leave them to figure out the rest by themselves. Support them, invite them to church, introduced them to other loving Christians.
Look, our nation is at war, but we are in a much bigger war. Satan is wreaking havoc in our nation and for to long we have sat by and let him. But just because the situation is dire does not mean we can just stand on our soap boxes and start proclaiming out loud that everyone is a sinner and they must all repent now. It requires personal connections with people. All throughout the Bible you read about Jesus having a personal connection. He spoke to people one on one. He allowed them to discuss the issue with Him, to question Him. One of his disciples even doubted Him! I know many of us, myself included, probably questioned all the way up to the aisle before we gave our lives over to Him. It is our nature to do so.
As much as we all pray for a revival in this nation and in our churches, I doubt it will happen. Any of you who have studied and believe in the Bible know the time is drawing near. It is also said that every nation will turn against us before He comes. It's time to come together and be ready to support one another, because times are going to get tough. If you are sitting on the fence, you better choose a side, because Satan owns that fence.
Call me crazy, call me fanatical. But I KNOW that my Lord is the living Christ, and I know that he will come back, and I am much more concerned about what He thinks about me then what YOU think about me! :)
True Christians love everyone. We just hate sin. I hate that I sin everyday. But I thank God that I can ask for forgiveness and He gives it. All this mess about "oh you Christians hate gay people, hate abortion supporters, hate blacks, etc" is simply not true. I have friends who are gay. I love them just as much as I love my Christian brothers and sisters. I just don't love the sin. Abortion is a sin. And I'm not sure why you say we hate black people unless you're saying it's because we don't vote for Obama, but black is just another color and Jesus doesn't pay attention to color, therefore neither should we, and I believe most of us don't. The ones that do are sinning and will have to ask for forgiveness.
If anyone is seriously interested in discussing this or just wants to talk, please email me. If you just want to be hateful and bash, please, just save it.
It is the birth of our Savior, Jesus Christ!!!!!!
Jesus and God would *embrace* sinners, not avoid them--sm
We are ALL sinners. No one is perfect, no not one, according to the Bible. No one is saying you have to associate with them, but if God can forgive them of their sins, why can't you? HE will judge them when the time comes. It is not up to you to determine when and if that happens. God bless you.
Well Jews don't believe Jesus was the son of God, so who says they're not correct?
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She was a practicing Buddhist and believed Jesus was a prophet. nm
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My fav bumper sticker I've seen recently said - Jesus Loves You sm
Everybody else thinks your a jerk (but they used a word other than jerk) I thought that was pretty funny.
What!!!! No Santa?
Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies. You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if you did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.
No Santa Claus?Thank God he lives and lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay 10 times 10,000 years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!!!
Santa
You don't give any details about this came about. Did someone in the class ask the teacher if Santa Claus was real? If so, she/he would not want to lie to the class, since that would undermine their trust in her/him.
If you have a third grader who still believes in Santa, you must have wrapped them in bubble wrap for the past 2 years. It is a very rare child who believes beyond Kindergarten or First Grade - usually their older siblings or the neighor kid tells them "the truth."
BTW, I think the "truth" about Santa is that he is real - he's a symbol of the Christmas Spirit and that survives despite all the cynicism, hatred, intolerance and fear in the world.
santa
I must admit even before my brother and sister told me at age 8 I was beginning to have doubts and I did not want to say anything because I thought I would not get a lot of gifts but it was still fun believing there was the possibilty also that there could be a santa! Someone breaks your heart sooner or later.
Bad Santa...
"I saw you at another mall. Well, I'm happy for you. If you really are Santa, you could do magic. Wanna see some magic? OK, let's watch you disappear!"
You don't believe in Santa?
Santa is the "spirit" of Christmas. I can't imagine not believe there is a Santa Clause, and I'm 37. Oh my goodness, honey, you're won't get anything for Christmas if you don't believe in Santa.... 
Santa
My DD is going on 10 and DS is 6. They believe in Santa. My daughter has questioned and I explained it this way - There was a real Santa, and that whole story and that he brings the presents to those that "believe", but the second you say out loud "into the air" that you don't believe , we (meaning mom and dad) have to start bringing the presents...and I can't afford that...:)
So she still believes but we also get gifts from "Mom and Dad" so there are also things under the tree from us as well as Santa (who by the way does not wrap, but that's another discussion altogether!)
By the way, in our house Santa, the tooth fairy, Jesus, and God all know each other and communicate with each other, as in God sees everything and knows if you are "being bad" and let's Santa know, etc...They are not to keen on the whole Easter Bunny thing though...
Santa and EB and TF
I have a friend who promised she would never lie to her kids, and so she was honest from the start about Santa and the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, but also explained to them that alot of their friends believe in them, so asked her kids not to ruin it for them.
In our house, our kids believe in the "idea" of Santa and the Easter Bunny but were confused about why we would see so many Santas in every store. I told them that Santa could not physically be in every place at once, so we all have Christmas Spirit, which we use in different ways to help Santa. So some of us dress up like Santa, some of us deliver presents to needy kids, that kind of thing. At 5 and 6, they really seemed to grasp that and understand.
Believing in Santa
I'm not sure how old I was, but my 12 year old realized ther was no Santa when she was 10. I'm not sure how she actually found out, but I know a year before that she noticed the same wrapping paper that Santa used that I also used (I forgot and wrapped the gifts the same). She also said she knew no one could bring toys to everyone in the world in one night (too smart for her own good). I think most children find out through other older childen either in school or in the neighborhood. It didn't seem to effect her at all. I told her that if she ever tells her 3 year old sister before she can figure it out for herself (hopefully she'll be 10), that I won't buy her any more presents. LOL.
Dear Santa....
Dear Santa,
I've been a good mom all year. I've fed, cleaned and cuddled my children on demand, visited the doctor's office more than my doctor, sold sixty-two cases of candy bars to raise money to plant a shade tree on the school playground. I was hoping you could spread my list out over several Christmases, since I had to write this letter with my son's red crayon, on the back of a receipt in the laundry room between cycles, and who knows when I'll find anymore free time in the next 18 years.
Here are my Christmas wishes:
I'd like a pair of legs that don't ache (in any color, except purple, which I already have) and arms that don't hurt or flap in the breeze; but are strong enough to pull my screaming child out of the candy aisle in the grocery store.
I'd also like a waist, since I lost mine somewhere in the seventh month of my last pregnancy.
If you're hauling big ticket items this year I'd like fingerprint resistant windows and a radio that only plays adult music; a television that doesn't broadcast any programs containing talking animals; and a refrigerator with a secret compartment behind the crisper where I can hide to talk on the phone.
On the practical side, I could use a talking doll that says, "Yes, Mommy" to boost my parental confidence, along with two kids who don't fight and three pairs of jeans that will zip all the way up without the use of power tools.
I could also use a recording of Tibetan monks chanting "Don't eat in the living room" and "Take your hands off your brother," because my voice seems to be just out of my children's hearing range and can only be heard by the dog.
If it's too late to find any of these products, I'd settle for enough time to brush my teeth and comb my hair in the same morning , or the luxury of eating food warmer than room temperature without it being served in a Styrofoam container.
If you don't mind, I could also use a few Christmas miracles to brighten the holiday season. Would it be too much trouble to declare ketchup a vegetable? It will clear my conscience immensely. It would be helpful if you could coerce my children to help around the house without demanding payment as if they were the bosses of an organized crime family.
Well, Santa, the buzzer on the dryer is ringing and my son saw my feet under the laundry room door. I think he wants his crayon back.
Have a safe trip and remember to leave your wet boots by the door and come in and dry off so you don't catch cold.
Help yourself to cookies on the table but don't eat too many or leave crumbs on the carpet.
Yours Always, MOM...!
P.S. One more thing...you can cancel all my reques ts if you can keep my children young enough to believe in Santa.
AMEN to that
Dear Santa:
Dear Santa:
I rarely ask for much. This year is no exception. I don't need diamond earrings, handy slicer-dicers or comfy slippers. I only want one little thing, and I want it deeply.
I want to slap Martha Stewart. Now, hear me out, Santa. I won't scar her or draw blood or anything. Just one good smack, right across her smug little cheek. I get all cozy inside just thinking about it. Don't grant this wish just for me, do it for thousands of women across the country. Through sheer vicarious satisfaction, you'll be giving a gift to us all. Those of us leading average, garden variety lives aren't concerned with gracious living. We feel pretty good about ourselves if our paper plates match when we stack them on the counter, buffet-style for dinner. We're tired of Martha showing us how to make centerpieces from hollyhock dipped in 18-carat gold. We're plumb out of liquid gold. Unless it's of the furniture polish variety. We can't whip up Martha's creamy holiday sauce, spiced with turmeric. Most of us can't even say turmeric, let alone figure out what to do with it.
OK, Santa, maybe you think I'm being a little harsh. But I'll bet with all the holiday rush you didn't catch that interview with Martha in last week's USA Weekend. I'm surprised there was enough room on the page for her ego. We discovered that not only does Martha avoid take-out pizza (she's only ordered it once), she refuses to eat it cold (No cold pizza? Is Martha Stewart living?) When it was pointed out that she could microwave it, she replied, "I don't have a microwave." The reporter, Jeffrey Zaslow, noted that she said this "in a tone that suggests you shouldn't either." Well, lah-dee-dah. Imagine that, Santa! That lovely microwave you brought me years ago, in which I've learned to make complicated dishes like popcorn and hot chocolate, has been declared undesirable by Queen Martha. What next? The coffee maker? In the article, we learned that Martha has 40 sets of dishes adorning an entire wall in her home. Forty sets. Can you spell "overkill"? And neatly put away, no less. If my dishes make it to the dishwasher that qualifies as "put away" in my house! Martha tells us she's already making homemade holiday gifts for friends. "Last year, I made amazing silk-lined scarves for everyone," she boasts. Not just scarves mind you. Amazing scarves. Martha's obviously not shy about giving herself a little pat on the back. In fact, she does so with such frequency that one has to wonder if her back is black and blue. She goes on to tell us that "homemaking is glamour for the 90s," and says her most glamorous friends are "interested in stain removal, how to iron a monogram, and how to fold a towel." I have one piece of advice, Martha: "Get new friends." Glamorous friends fly to Paris on a whim. They drift past the Greek Islands on yachts, sipping champagne from crystal goblets. They step out for the evening in shimmering satin gowns, whisked away by tuxedoed chauffeurs. They do not spend their days pondering the finer art of toilet bowl sanitation. Zaslow notes that Martha was named one of America's 25 most influential people by Time magazine (nosing out Mother Theresa, Madeline Allbright and Maya Angelou, no doubt). The proof of Martha's influence: after she bought white-fleshed peaches in the supermarket, Martha says, "People saw me buy them. In an instant, they were all gone." I hope Martha never decides to jump off a bridge. A guest in Martha's home told Zaslow how Martha gets up early to rollerblade with her dogs to pick fresh wild blackberries for breakfast. This confirms what I've suspected about Martha all along: She's obviously got too much time on her hands. Teaching the dogs to rollerblade. What a show off. If you think the dogs are spoiled, listen to how Martha treats her friends: She gave one friend all 272 books from the Knopf Everyman Library. It didn't cost much. Pocket change, really.
Was it Santa? or the excitement
to all the wonderful gifts? I agree with the above poster. I feel it is unnecessary to lie to the children and set them up for such pain. To hear a parent say "I had to tell her the truth" is jarring when she is speaking of her very own child.
santa...details...
this was during "reading". she read Rudolph to teh class. her choice. she brought it up. they read adn then they started asking questions, kids were disagreeing about it, arguing..and so she asked for a show of hands on the certain parts that she chose from teh story that " could happen" and "could never happen"...fact and fiction stuff. she totally started it.
regarding santa message below:
im the one who started the santa thing. tonight is our christmas program, can someone who is really quick whitted give me like a one to two line statement or question for her to let her know what kind of mistake she has made? that its not something funny, or to blow off..
without causing too big of a scene...and not affending bystanders.
im sure there is someone on here who could just cut her down with their words..and really make her step back and take a good hard look at herself....if its YOU...i need your expertise in the subject.
Santa Clara, CA
Another city also in the Bay Area. I am about a half an hour from Santa Cruz (beach), beautiful weather, very temperate summers with cool evenings, and close enough to go to SF by car or train to explore the city.
Santa Fe, NM and Tucson, AZ....
Love NYC, Florida, Massachusetts, CT, NH, VT......too!!!
About Christmas and Santa
Do any of you feel weird about teaching your children there is a Santa Claus. My parents did not teach us that, but when I had kids, I did (because it just seemed like it would be more fun for them). When they found out it wasn't real, they were pretty upset.
Now, that I am older, I think it is kind of an odd thing to do. It doesn't really seem like it's a good thing for children to realize their parents (who are the most trusted and influential people in children's lives) lied to them ... even if it was in the name of fun and excitment.
What are your thoughts on this? Most children totally believe it (when taught) ... just as children tend to believe whatever religious version they are taught. 
I am santa claus
My parents ALWAYS (even when they knew we didn't believe anymore) were "santa" They would wait until we were asleep to put out the presents. It was SO fun. I remember being little and trying to stay up to see "him". We even once SWORE we saw reindeer hoof prints on our roof. My husband grew up TOTALLY different. His mom still to this day won't even buy wrapping paper with santa on it. So you know what I do? I buy him extra presents and put them under the tree when HE is asleep.
I think it is all just fun. I am not mad at my parents for tricking me. I had a great time with it. And I hope my kids do too.
Bah humbug on Santa? No way!
When kids get on the school bus or talk in the cafeteria, what would happen? Perhaps group mentality which we learn in Psych 4, is what you are thinking, but what about going along to get along? For Pete's sake, don't "p" double ee on their parade. Kids know - they believe in a Sants, i.e., St. Nick, i.e., blue and white stuff for 8 days for the Jewish kids. So what -- for goodness sake, let the kid ge a kid! Play - toys - Chris Kringle - whatever! Don't try to get your kid to be in MENSA, just for the sake of being "above" it all. Get real! Don't be an elitist just to be right. I am all for kids believing there is something else besides doom and gloom. Let them be happy, enough bad news, already. What are you going to gain except self-rightousiness and being above the rest. No kid is going to be angry that they got a gift from "Santa". He is not Satan - he is S A N T A. Got your letters crossed.
there's nothing more magical than being Santa when
the little one goes to sleep -- arranging all the presents, filling the stocking, taking that one bite out of the cookie, and, of course, leaving him a note from Santa saying how he's always on the nice list. just magical. i'm here all alone and it always brings tears to my eyes creating this magical experience for him.
When did you stop believing is Santa?
When did you stop believing is Santa?
If you have kids old enough, when did they stop believing?
How did you/your kids find out?
How did you/they react to the truth?
If kids don't find out on their own, what age do you think they should be told?
I think as Christians we can use Santa Claus
As a witness if we want to. I feel that Santa is a fun part of Christmas but of course we should not forget the REAL reason for the season. We can give to others to show the love of Christ, Him giving His life for us. It is all about how you look at it and show it to others. God Bless you all and have a Blessed Christmas :)
P.S. A very good way to witness is through WorldVision. They have a wonderful gift catalog that I used for Christmas presents. You can purchase a wheelchair for a child in another country, childcare for orphans, etc.
Santa Rosa, California
Back in the mid to late 80's - I don't know what it's like now.
Picture this: vineyards, apple orchards, redwood forests, ocean 15 minutes away, average temperature 70-75 degrees year round.........oh, I miss it!!!
Oh darn, Bear just ate Santa
right off the tree. I'm not actually a big fan of Santa decorations, but this was one of a set of cute homemade-looking, brightly painted flat ornaments that looked like they were made from bread dough or something. I don't know exactly what they were made of, but it doesn't look like he swallowed much. He's such a puppy.
Awww...Santa's Helper!
He is so cute! I love dogs!
Can I tell you how good santa (or should I say God) was to me this year? sm
I received many gift cards and gifts. I received the gift of unconditional love from my children. I received the gift of friendship this year from my best friend who cries when I cry and will keep my secrets with her until the day she dies. My mom is in my life now and is spoiling me ROTTEN. She came into some money and has used a lot of it on my family - making up for lost time as we did not get along well while I was growing up and then I moved away.
All of these are great, great gifts. I was also given the gift of health. I was the worried mom from a few weeks ago who was asking about abnormal mammograms and lumps. I am 33 years old. Today, I nervously received a digital mammography (my first digital one). My doctor went ahead and scheduled me for an ultrasound too this time (I've had both already). After the mammogram this morning I was waiting to head to ultrasound when the tech came in and said the films look great and no need for ultrasound. God is soo good. Of course, she said my doc will receive the formal report in about a week, but still. Isn't that awesome news?
The most ironic thing about all of this? I am not deserving of any of it. None of it. I know there are so many others who are in such pain this year and for that I am truly, truly sorry. May you find peace, health, happiness, and a close relationship with God this year. I look forward to the coming year. If you don't have God or find Him, may you have love in abundance this year. All of you.
Bear ate Santa off the tree...now he's...sm
eaten/torn up the ottoman? He probably does miss you a lot Misha....It's a long day without mommy.  Cat
Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus....sm
Santa Claus as we know him today has changed through the times, but his good will toward children has not changed.
This is a great link to tell you of that history!
Santa reality sets in sm
Think it's harder for the adults to accept than the parents, but kids love to squeeze the last they can out of Dear Old Santa. They know but will go along to get along. I would just play the same game by telling them you know someone who had a kid who spoiled Christmas for little kids by telling them there was no Santa. "What do you think of that?" They know, just have to work it out with them.
Gidget Santa Barbara nm
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To mom upset over Santa revelation...did you confront her?
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Need secret Santa ideas for male.....
My husband needs some secret Santa ideas for under $2 for a new male teacher. He really does not know very well. As an emergeny I sent a bag of homemade cookies the first day. Any neat unique ideas?
If you tell your kids that Santa Claus is real
I don't have children but I have a friend who has children and she told my sister never to lie to her children (my niece & nephew are 5 mos. old) "it's the worse thing you can do" "if they find out you lied there will be consequences" and other remarks like that.
We were talking the other day and without even thinking we were talking about how Uncle Joey usually dresses as Santa but this year we might want to ask his son to take over and our friends child heard our discussion.
Well, she got so mad because we were insensitive to her daughter and "we don't discuss such things in front of the children"
Come to find out that her kids all think Santa is real. The oldest is 17, well, I'm sure he probably figured it out by now BUT she does not know that
So I wondered if she is lying to her children by telling them santa claus is real?
You're kidding? Well, Jesus said: If you deny me in front of others, I too, will deny you. How tr
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It is NOT the teachers place to tell a child that Santa doesn't
yeah I just might sue as well!
Letting a child about Santa isn't lying, sheesh
Telling about Santa isn't lying, it's a rite of childhood for millions of kids, as is the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. I see no harm in giving my children hope in something so good as Santa. I don't remember being crushed as a child when I found out about Santa, I only remember the joy of waking up on Christmas morning to a full stocking and the anticipation of waiting for the big guy. We were so poor that I don't know how we ever had a Christmas but somehow there were always gifts from Santa, to me that's what he's about, not lying but believing.
People take really strange things far too literally, takes the fun out of the simple things in my opinion.
See link inside - History of Santa Claus
The origins of Santa Claus/Saint Nicholas. See link below. A real person long ago.
To Heck With Ole Santa Clause - Loretta Lynn
Ay-Ay-Ay it's Christmas and I don't know what to do -- Ay-ay-ay It's Christmas and I don't have a gift for you. My kids especially love it! They sing it to me and in response I sing to them "I'm Getting Nothing for Christmas" -- except changed to "You're Getting Nothing for Christmas."
would any of you have a prob if your childs teacher told the truth about santa?
3rd grade class.
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