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ANY relationship based on lies is doomed to failure

Posted By: not exclusive to marriages!....n/m on 2007-03-24
In Reply to: Marital Bliss - Regina Hare




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Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Difficult based on taste, easy based on ethics.
I was a vegetarian for 10 years, then a vegan for about 5 before meeting my husband, i.e. Mr. Barbecue. He thinks he will die of starvation if he doesn't have some form of animal flesh on his plate at least twice daily. I do eat meat minimally now but not without guilt about the way the animal was raised and slaughtered. I don't believe meat is healthy either, esp. because of the hormones, antibiotics and unnatural feed commercial livestock receives. I have free-range chickens and use their eggs, and I buy raw milk from a local small farmer whose cows graze freely on organic grass. I am working my way back to a meat-free diet in spite of my DH. Can't wait to shed the 20 pounds of animal-fat blubber I've accumulated and get my cholesterol level back down to where it used to be! You just have to give peas a chance.
What to do when employer lies to get
I was hired with the "promise" and "guarantee" that I would be allowed to go home to work.  Refused however to put it in writing (should have known right?).  Shame on me!!!  Anyway, several different reasons to date as to why I have not gone home to work.  Interviewed another person for another position TO WORK FROM HOME today.  Is this discrimination?  Any advice?  Thank you in advance. 
To be honest, that was 100% lies...or was it? nm
....
I think the problem lies within the sm
FIL and MIL.  I think the other brother's problems are more "public" and therefore they have to do something for him - they are Christians (!!) but mental illness scares the heck out of most people - they are ill-informed, think it can be controlled - don't realize how very serious it is, don't understand the fallout on the family, etc., and so tend to not do anything about it if they can.  I think your DH's parents are in denial, they fail to recognize how seriously their son's problem is, and are failing as parents truthfully as they are not supporting you in your efforts to find him the best help you can.  Stop beating yourself up - you did nothing wrong - you said what needed to be said - you just needed to get angry to send it.  Praying for you and yours.
to be honest...all my posts have been 100% lies -nm
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you are NOT a failure
The marriage may be, but not you. It broke my heart to see that. Your life will get better. Getting hit is something no one should accept and it sounds like you are suffering in so many other ways. Move on.
Big bunch of lies...look at all the inconsistencies in ages/virgin when married 14yrs ago, but has a
Please see a psychiatrist. You are obviously seeking attention by posting lies.

Furthermore, you said he was your prince charming...then you said he talks like he is retarded and that people have asked you if he is retarded. What was so 'princey' about a man who sounds like a retard and has psoriasis all over his body. Why would you have married him in the first place?

How does a woman who was a virgin almost 14 years ago end up with a child who is already 14?

You make it seem as though you are always without food but you are "extremely overweight" after having what you described to be a perfect body 14 years ago. How did that happen?
My experience with kidney failure

Several years ago we lost a white shepherd to kidney failure.  She was only 4.  She spent about a week on IV fluids and seemed to come around some but was still weak when we brought her home.  As soon as she starting eating again, even the special Eukanuba kidney diet, she went into failure again.  We had to take her back in 2 days to have her put down.  I was an absolutely hearbreaking experience to see her suffer.  I feel for all of the owners dealing with it now. 


The cause of her kidney failure was never really determined.  The first question the vet asked me though was what kind of food I used.  I had 2 other dogs at the time and they were fine, so probably wasn't the food.  He did come to the conclusion that it was a "high tech rat poison" because they had another German Shepherd with the same problem.  It was a police dog and had been intentionally poisoned.  That dog made it through though. 


My thoughts are with you and your kitty. 


    


      


I swear I am going to have heart failure sm
if one more person walks into my office and scares the bejesus out of me. I'm so intent on concentrating on this doc and they walk in and say "hey mom" and I just totally jump out of my chair. They they say, "Sorry, didn't mean to scare you." My hubby has a bad habit of doing that when I am reading, too. I read every night for about an hour at bedtime with the nightstand light on. I'm totally involved in the book and I can't see him when he comes through the door because of the light and all of a sudden, he just appears like a ghost and I nearly fall out of bed because of fright. Of course he says, "Sorry, didn't mean to scare you."   GRRR.  
well with 50% vote fan-based,
lots can happen. But its still a great show with all the interest angles. I never did think she was the best talent myself. but what stunned me was the 'warmth' between her and her partner. It was really surprising to see such an open demonstration of affection in that setting...
liver, kidney and heart failure...
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003104.htm
Based on that dreadful hula alone
I thought Sanjaya would get the boot. That was just weird. Too bad we can't vote for the one we want off. Let's get organized here people - is everybody voting? Next week let's dial 'til we drop. Don't give up, don't be disheartened. We can do this.
Should we destroy a whole breed based ...sm
on what a few do wrong? Look at the Dalmation attacks, Alaskan Malamutes, Pomeranians, etc. Should we destroy these breeds too?


Can't have wait time if you have a child in shunt failure
My daughter has shunted hydrocephalus. She's gone from a normal-acting child with no symptoms whatsoever, to having seizures, lethargy, and respirations of 9 with no warning whatsoever. She needed a medflight (because we were out of town on the way to the zoo), immediate CT scan and immediate surgery. I am terrified of universal healthcare and the wait times it would bring.
Oh God no, you are not being a baby or a failure, and no woman should forget about being assaulted..
by her own spouse. Remember the marriage vows, to love and to cherish? You cannot fully love someone if you do not respect them as a person, and you cannot respect someone you strike and assault, no woman should tolerate violence of any kind, even once. You yourself say that there were many other issues, and I truly feel that a new life with a new start is a wonderful and necessary thing for you. I have been married almost 29 years, I cannot even tolerate verbal abuse and my husband knows it, mutual respect has to come first in any relationship. God bless you, keep praying for wisdom and strength, and see this as a learning and strengthening experience.
A time of 5 years should not have caused kidney failure.
This is too short a time.
Did she have heart problems also?
I know people who drag along for 30 years until they finally succumb to organ failure.
Hydrationis what is needed here. Kidney failure is being prevented.
Cost is high but well worth it. One can also get IV drip with lactated ringers and do it yourself. Fluid is seeped into area between shoulder blades to be absorbed by puppy's body. One of mine needed a blood transfusion, both needed IV antibiotics. Five days in house is typical.
I lost a male cat to renal failure that started out -(sm)-
as a blocked urinary tract. First his behavior changed, but it was just slight, so I barely noticed. He also began drinking more water, and going to his litter box frequently, but just peeing a little at a time. Then I had to leave town and my petsitter called the next day and said he was sleeping in his litter box. I was too dumb to know what that meant, and told her it was probably the heat spell we were having at the time, and to leave a fan on for him. Next morning she called from the emergeny vet's office. She had come and found him collapsed unconscious (probably from unimaginable pain) on the floor. They got him in the nick of time. He was completely blocked and would have died within the hour. As it was, although he seemed fine for the next month, the toxins from the backed-up urinary tract destroyed his kidneys, and he had to be put down at only age 4.

Male cats are more prone to urninary crystals and blockage than females, and Persians are especially prone to this, because they have teeny tiny little ureters. If your cat is long-haired, could he have Persian in him?

Regardless, I feel responsible for losing my cat because I didn't know about the symptoms. It sounds like he's trying to tell you something, so a vet checkup and maybe some blood or urine tests. Better safe than sorry. Oh, and one more thing: DON'T ever let a vet prescribe the pain killer/anti-inflammatory drug, Metacam (meloxicam) for a cat. (Especially the off-label use of the liquid version, which is for dogs only.) It can cause renal failure in cats. My current cat was given just one 0.5 mL oral dose of Metacam in the vet's office, and became violently ill for 2 days. Thank goodness I didn't give her what she was sent home on! THEN I looked it up online and OMG -- there are hundreds of people out there who have lost cats to Metacam.
Another good faith based one is Thin Within
you can Google Thin Within on the web also. It focuses on how you feel about yourself. After going through it for the first time I was able to separate ME and how I felt about ME from how I felt about the extra pounds I carry.

I have avoided Weigh Down because I have some issues with some beliefs and practices of the founders, but I have heard it is a well designed and good program.
Our great country was based on the separation of
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Convict, judge. I don't do that. I don't agree with the lifestyle based on
homosexuality to be a sin.  If you read my posts completely, you would have seen in my example of running into each other in the mall, that I would be respectful to you, but that did not mean that I agreed with your lifestyle.  In the end, God with judge us all.  That's not my job.
AGAIN: Christianity-based threads belong on appropriate board. SM

Keep all Christianity discussions and debates on the Christianity board.  I cannot move them there so they are deleted from other boards if they appear.


Goldbird


it said it was based on which idea Kodak would like better; also, Donald said in boardroom
nm
Started out shoes, now it is politically based, not on right board.
NM
Friend in kidney failure, on dialysis now, said she could not understand "them" (ESLs)
I got a call last night from a friend who goes back over 40 years. She was in the hospital in kidney failure on dialysis. I was shocked. I knew she had diabetes and high blood pressure but had spoken with her the other day and she mentioned no problems then. I asked her had she been taken her medications like she should have and she said well, maybe not really like I should have and then she told me she really could not understand her physicians, they were foreign and she did not know maybe just how bad off she really was. I am furious. I wish I had known the whole story. I asked "why did you not change doctors?" and her reply was, oh, I just didn’t. She is calm, submissive and I am the opposite, in your face and give me some answers. I have smoke blowing from my ears!  This is an older woman in her 60s who now waits for a kidney who is not on the top of the list because of her other ailments. She does not know the process of getting a kidney but I know what the outlook is for her. How many more people do you think are out there who might not get the kind of medical help they need because of them not being able to understand these foreign doctors? Furious for me is an understatement.
I never forward things based on threats or promises of luck. (sm)
I forward things that I like the message on sometimes but not because I am told to forward it.
he was good in Lords of Dogtown - story based on true events
nm
How is your relationship with God? If not God, do you have sm
any spirituality in your life at all? I was exactly where you were....then I found Jesus. Late in life. He has given me purpose and pure contentment.

Nothing satisfies like Jesus and I've done it all: Alcoholism, rx drugs, bad relationships, etc.

Now I'm teaching a Bible study class, have a thriving marriage (after a horrible divorce) and am just very, very peaceful and happy.

Whenever someone like you comes to me with thoughts just like yours, I tell them about God and His saving grace. Will pray for you that you find the contentment you are so searching for.
relationship help

My fiance and I live together - been together 4 years - living together 3 months - supposed to get married this year. . Most of the time, everything is great.  He gets stressed out about finances, makes a rude remark to me about my lack of house cleaning ability, I get mad and go off by myself for a few hours - he gets even madder and starts saying our relationship is over, etc. . He leaves for several hours, comes home and we make up. . I am having a hard time with this. . I feel like I have to react a certain way or this whole blow up is going to happen. . I love him and know he loves me - I just don't understand how something so small can turn into something so big. . Anyone with any advice?


MIL-SIL relationship has nothing to do with
SIL's feelings for the daughter, just like MIL's feelings for him have nothing to do with her feelings for her daughter.
relationship
Is this how you want your life to be because he will not change even if he decides he is "ready" to marry you. Everything he does now he will continue to do. You definitely deserve better. Good luck.
she was in control of that relationship
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Yes, your relationship will change sm

The first three months or so you will both be so tired you won't know how you can possibly make it, but you will. If you have family close by to help, that is great (I was an Air Force wife, so we were far from both our families). Hopefully, though, you will start to see your husband in a whole new light. I know I did. He had never had much use for children before, although I knew he loved animals, so that's always a good sign. He would spend hours playing with our cats, and he loved to sit and watch TV with one or both of the cats in his lap. To me, that showed a loving heart.


He had a lot of learning to do, but he became a wonderful father. Seeing that, I fell in love with him all over again. He became much more open emotionally, primarily with our son, but some of that spilled over into our relationship as well. And having a child together bonds a couple together like nothing else. Here is this wonderful being who is a part of BOTH of you, and who you both love like you never thought you could love another human being.


Sure, there will be difficulties. There will be times when he wants sex and you are so exhausted all you want to do is sleep for a week. There will be times when you are so focused on the baby you won't realize you are neglecting him. But if you are aware of all these possibilities, you are less likely to let the situation go on so long that it becomes a problem.


Good luck to you, whatever happens.  


The whole relationship should have been a no-brainer
Frankly, I thought he should have been given more punishment myself, but I don't think the DA/ADA really put a lot of effort into it. As I mentioned, they were going to accept the SIS until I pointed out that I didn't approve on the basis that it's not like another conviction would be destroying a lily-white record, at which point the ADA flipped through the file and said, "Wow, this guy belongs in jail." Going into it, the 'scoop' on the judge were that the 3 things he hated most were drunks, deadbeat dads, and woman-hitters, and the ex was the trifecta (he's about $1100 behind in his child support), but somehow he got to skate away. I do have mixed feelings about the sentence; I wasn't really injured, but on the other hand that was only because I called before it got worse.

I have my own share of self-esteem issues, which is why I stuck it out as long as I did. The only thing Dr. Phil ever said that made sense to me was, "We generate the reality we think we deserve." So I'm spending some quality time channeling Stuart Smalley and doing my self-affirmations, have blocked his phone, and am generating my new reality.
re the relationship with your daughter...
My sister-in-law, a wonderful woman, has a 30-something daughter, and she is struggling with their relationship.  She has recently decided to let things go for a while - for her own sanity.  She tells me that there have been problems with their relationship since her daughter was just a child.  It pains her to think that she may never have a good relationship with her.  My sister-in-law has 2 other children that she has a wonderful relationship with.  I think, sadly enough, that sometimes it just works out that way.  We have discussed the possibility of her daughter having psychiatric/emotional issues that could be hindering the relationship process - I don't know whether or not that could be an issue with your daughter.  The bottom line is, in my opinion, you can only do what you can do.  I don't think a parent should EVER give up on their children, but there may come a time when you have to realize that it is what it is, and you just have to accept that and worry about taking care of yourself.  Good luck to you.
Dont know where your relationship has gone wrong but
my husband and I have been married now for 7 years and he is feely, smoochy, kind, considerate, loving, can have a grab each and any time he wants it. I thank my lucky stars to have found him at my late age. I dont know what has turned the love to disgust for you but I do not feel normally this would be a turnoff for most women, certainly not me. My love just deepens every minute we are together. I will say that I have an ole high school friend (this is her second marriage) that says identical things as you are saying. She and the fellow have no children together but frankly, I would not stay because of the children, never. Your children will suffer in a situation like this. My children grown when I met the present husband but I was divorced, raised the children and would not subject them to more unpleasantness. I think my friend and her husband will come to divorce eventually. Just do not believe you can overcome the disgust when it should be pure heaven by his touch.

a believer in God, personal relationship with God

My spirituality comes from many places...


Mother Teresa said:


People are often unreasonable and self-centered.  FORGIVE THEM ANYWAY.


If you are kind, people may accuse you of ulterior motives.  BE KIND ANYWAY.


If you are honest, people may cheat you.  BE HONEST ANYWAY.


If you find happiness, people may be jealous.  BE HAPPY ANYWAY.


The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow.  DO GOOD ANYWAY.


Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough.  GIVE YOUR BEST ANYWAY.


For you see, in the end, it is between you and God.  IT NEVER WAS BETWEEN YOU AND THEM ANYWAY.


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And that, my fellow MTs/MEs, is something we all should contemplate!


Have a GREAT week!!!


 


I agree - no kids, why do they have to have a relationship?
nm
does anyone besides me have a bad relationship with a grown daughter or son?
with one of your grown-up kids, or is it only me? My oldest daughter and I do not get along, never did. I love her, but am not sure if I like her. She is very selfish and self centered and it's all about her. Everyone else see's it but her. Of course, there's a lot more to it, but last night she sent me a letter saying basically she's done with me.....not sure at all where this is coming from. I really, really don't need this right now. So, is anyone else in any kind of a similar situation with an adult child? She's 38.

I'm so glad you have that type of relationship! That's how it should be. (sm)
She has every opportunity to come here and let them get to know her and then they would probably be happier going to her house. She is always so busy every time they see her. I would love for them to want to go to her house. It is so ridiculous for people to say it is me influencing them.
Death of someone you have a close relationship
even if they are not related by blood.

In 1990, my husband and I decided for the first time since we had been married to spend Thanksgiving with his family instead of with my family (we always did a Sunday Thanksgiving with his family before because my family was so large and his family was smaller).

My father died that Thanksgiving night. It took me 10 years to forgive myself for not being there that day. I have empathy for anyone who suffers a loss around a holiday, but hey, that's just me.
I'm glad they have a good relationship, too, but it's NOT
superficial to know your spouse's past history including his education.  Why be so secretive about something so mundane?  Is she going to love him any less (or more) whether he did or didn't finish high school - probably not.  Is it going to change how he treats her now if she knows - probably not.  Even if it changed everything about their relationship, she's still his wife, and to not know his education level after 30+ years of knowing each other is just a wee bit strange to me.  Once again, in my opinion, he's supposed to be her best friend, her confidante, the one person in the world she can trust anything to.  Why the evasiveness?  JMO
I feel so sorry for you. Please rethink your relationship with this man.
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Long Distance relationship
I think you answered your own question without realizing it. You still want to see new places, experience something new. To move back would mean you would probably never get to do those things...they are dreams you have, don't live your life wishing you had done what you wanted to do. Great relationships are easy to have when there are so many miles between you, when you are living together everyday it will be a whole different situation. Right now you have so little time together you make sure those few hours are perfect or as close to it as they can be. If you stay in this LD relationship you can still move someplace else and see exciting things, you will just find a way to see each other from another location.

What would you do if you got a fantastic, once in a lifetime, can't turn it down opportunity for something tomorrow, would you take it or would you throw that chance away to move back home where you don't really want to be? When you answer that question you will have your answer.
Are you considering a long-term relationship
with this gentleman? If so, you might want to give some serious thought to his money issues as they could very well become your money issues.

His joke was probably just an attempt to be funny, though rather clumsy and thoughtless. Since it bothers you, you could discuss it with him and tell him why it made you angry and base your next move on his response.

It would be his actual money issues that would be of greatest concern to me.
I mean:..'not a very close relationship....nm
nm
once the trust is gone, so is the love, and the relationship..sm
be completely honest with him..now, before he gets out of rehab. If he is doing it only for you or to get you back, it is never going to work and it is just a matter of time before HE feels comfortable enough to start drinking again. You sound pretty sure that you want it to be over, so see a lawyer and start divorce proceedings now. don't wait for him to get out and start things all over again. You have to be up front about YOUR feelings, as well. Do not lead him on thinking there is hope. If telling him how you feel puts him back into drinking again, that is his problem and not yours. It would only serve to prove that he was not serious about stopping drinking anyway, and helping himself, but only a means to get back into your life. Do not take on the guilt. He is responsible for his ownself, and you are responsible for you. But do not let his expectations of coming back go on any longer. He has a right to know how you feel now, before it is too late. You already know in your heart that things will go back to the way they were before, if you let him come back. Show him how serious you are, be honest, and start the actions you need to extricate yourself from the situation. He will not change.. trust me on that one. I have been there too.
y huby and have pretty much the same kind of relationship as you mg
We have both learned where our strengths and weaknesses are. When our children were toddlers and it was bedtime I began losing my patience. Their constant getting up and fighting sleep didn't seem to bother him, so he handled bedtime. We share homework duties, I do the laundry and most of the cooking, he and the children clean up after dinner. He likes to cook on Sundays. It has been working great for 19 years.
Well, any healthy relationship should be close to equal
My husband works FT and still helps out a lot around the house. I only work PT, so I usually do the cooking, helping our daughter with homework and most of the cleaning. My husband always cleans the kitchen after I cook (and vice versa) though and he cleans the bathrooms. We also alternate doing the laundry. So, I'd say everything evens out to be pretty close to 50/50 in our relationship. We are truly best friends and we treat each other as such, and I would never dream of "serving" my man - that's just a ridiculous statement! I even had that part taken out of our wedding vows! If it becomes a problem where you feel like you're being taken advantage of, then you need to sit down with your husband and let him know that he needs to pull his own weight or you won't be happy. Good luck!
Anyone had a relationship with a person in jailr or prison?
Is it someone you knew or have you gotten to know them since they went to prison? Do you write them or visit?