Sometimes a gross line can equate to more than 65 counted character lines
Posted By: Not always on 2005-12-05
In Reply to: A gross line is not based on characters. A gross line is - me
I know one company whose lines are in very tiny font with very wide margins. The line length for those gross lines is 104-120 characters. This is almost double a 65 counted character line.
You can make a comparison of which is better by making a copy of your report (use cut/paste or lift into an expander, then copy into blank document) and run it thru a line count program set at 65.
Your definition of gross line is correct, but your equating it to pay is only good if the line length for gross lines is maximum 65 characters. MTSOs are learning how to make this gross line sound wonderful but in reality are robbing you blind.
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7-8 gross is great. That is equivalent to 10-12 65 character lines, as a gross
line is about 35% lower than a 65 character line. Will you share who is paying this>
Gross or character lines
In word, under properties they do not count headers that occur on every page. You have to add that in by the numer of pages, i.e. if you are doing a long psych report that is 9 to 15 pages and have a headed on every page. I could be wrong and if so let me know. I just did a count with a header and those lines were not counted. But if you are doing a cpl you can count characters with and without spaces. But again in word they do not count extra characters for capitalization, bold, underline, etc where as in line counting program, Sylcount, they do. So will you be using your program or theirs to count lines? Gross or per 65 cpl.
Gross lines versus 65 character
What is 7 or 8 cpl gross equivalent to in 65 character
Thanks for the info! Do you *feel* like you make more with a gross line v. character line? (nm)
Hmm, exactly what is a 65-character gross line?
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Could someone help me with the figuring out of gross line versus character line? sm
I have generally been paid by character line, 65-character line. Now, I have had job opportunities offering to pay gross line but it like 3 cents cheaper than what I am being paid now. A few places I have read that gross line is MUCH better, but is it much better if the pay is so much lower? Please explain how it works or equals out. This position has offered me 6 cents per gross line - what would that equal out to in character lines? Thanks...so confused...
GROSS LINE VERSUS 65 CHARACTER
I am wondering which is better. Is gross line better than 65 character line with spaces. Thanks
I'm jealous! Is it gross line or 65 character? I am also
on an ER account with EXText but I cannot get near that. Any tips to share? I love working at Keystrokes but would love to get those kind of lines even more!
I'm confused. It says 09 cents per 65-character GROSS line. sm
What is a 65 character **gross** line??
A gross line is any line that has a character on it, so even if
a line just has one character on it, it is considered a line. If you are getting 6 cpl per gross that is approximately equal to 8 cpl based on 65 characters. Sometimes the font on a gross line can make it be less than that though.
You know, I never actually counted my lines myself, I just always figured my company's line count
Boy was I wrong! I just went through and totaled all of my lines, then compared them to the line counter, and guess what! It's wrong! Can you guess who I work for? SOFTSCRIPT!!! 
6 cpl gross does not equate to 9.25/65.
Like the other poster said it is more around 8 cpl, maybe 8.25 cpl. In 1990 I was making 6 cpl/gross.
Spaces are not taken into account with gross lines....a line is a line...sm
if there seven words on a line.
or two
one
or a full line of typing...all of the companies that I have worked for define a gross line as 1 inch margins, 12 pt courier font....does not matter what we type in margins or font.....we convert all reports to the 1 inch margins and courier 12 font and then count the lines. not the blank spaces between the lines.
Hope this helps.
Gross lines unless it is a line of 72+
characters or more, then you can really get cheated. Once company that has someone plugging for them on MTChat pays gross lines, but those lines are up to 84-104 characters in some parts of the report, so you really get taken to the cleaners with the gross count.
visible black character (VBC) spaces not counted SM
I just ran across this as bit long article but it is worth saving to your PC and reading a bit at a time. I recall posting that Probity used this, I posted this meant NO SPACES and somebody came back and said they do pay for them. Boy they are really really making extensive calculation, guess always have and we did not know it.
Last year, KLAS reported that the industry appeared to be moving towards a standard
pricing model based on visual black characters (VBC), especially given the joint announcement from AHIMA and MTIA endorsing the adoption of VBC. The vision was for the VBC to be used to develop service level agreements, benchmark internal
transcription performance, foster better business relationships with the MTSOs, and improve the tools for evaluating and selecting MTSO partners. However, based on this body of research, adoption of this standard has been slow and billing per line is still the predominant approach.
http://www.californiahia.org/Content/ul/8694//Kivi_Dale_Transcriptions_New_Standards.pdf
A gross line is not based on characters. A gross line is
anything on the line constitutes a line, so if you only have 1 word on a line it is still counted as a line. A gross line at 8 cpl roughly translates to 10 cpl/65 character.
if you are say $1.60 minute that does equate to about 16cents per line
which is really good at today's rates
How are the lines counted?
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You will have more lines with spaces counted.
Can you run a line count comparing a report with spaces and without spaces? That would give you an idea.
I also received a check from them for lines not counted, but this was
7 or 8 years ago and mine just was not set right. It was not any big deal, my supervisor (who was a good friend) told me that it was not on purpose, just I was running an old program.
Agreed!!. They know exactly how they want those lines counted. That is why you hear people saying
that they averaged 200 lph at one company and switched and now get over 300 lph. It is all in how the counts are set up. Sounds like Transtech people are getting a bum deal. There has to be something to it because A LOT of people have complained. If it were randomly a person here or there I could understand but there are way too complaints not to be valid to some extent.
Phoenix MedCom shows you every report and every line counted,
with Word verification. They use 2 programs,internet for the newer programs, and a word-based program for those on Lanier and Dictaphone. But their programs show the verification of the job and line count no matter which platform you transcribe on. They have two rates...the internet platform pays for spaces, and the other is not with spaces but line rate is higher.
65 character lines with spaces
I don't think so. You're going to do a lot of typing to get all those lines. They don't pay spaces, no way!
*readable character lines*
Hey, y'all. Is this subterfuge-speak for we don't pay for spaces? (Because one does not *read* spaces?)
If so, should I opt out?
*readable character lines*
Hey, y'all. Is this subterfuge-speak for we don't pay for spaces? (Because one does not *read* spaces?)
If so, should I opt out?
Is it lines = character count/65 maybe?
me
Oh, they make money off us. Line rate is 17 cents a gross line.nm
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Ask what is a line. I was offered 6 clp for a 42 black character line sm
that seemed to strange, but really it was not so bad. Came out pretty close to a 65 k/s line at 8.5 to 9.
What is MDI-MD's line rate? Spaces counted? weekends? benefits? Thanks. Have EXTENSIVE MT ex
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gross lines
I know that this has been posted numerous times but I have never paid much attention to it until now...seems like lines must be 100 characters long or something. Anyway, what is that formula for checking gross lines against the 65-character line? Thanks.
gross lines
Gross lines means anything that is on a line, i.e. signature on a letter, date, etc., is a line - usually the standard for gross lines is Courier 12 with one inch margins. There is a formula that will give you a pretty good estimate of gross lines versus other line counts, but essentially if you multiply gross lines x 1.44, you get a pretty good estimate of the pay per line you would need with a 65 char line to equal a gross line. For example, if you are being paid 8 cpl gross lines, you would need to make roughly 11.5 cpl on a 65 char line to approximate the same rate of pay. That depends, of course, on lots of factors and is just an estimate (actual gross line pay is usually even more, depending on if you have a lot of short lines, etc.) I know companies that charge their clients by the gross line, then PAY their MTs on a 65 char line - VERY bad business if you ask me. As a rule, you get a better deal with gross lines any way you slice it - just make sure they mean gross lines with 1 margins and Courier 12 font.
If the pay is REALLY on gross lines
I'd snag it at 6 cpl and be danged glad to get it. Haven't heard of anyone paying on gross lines in probably 15 years so I kind of have to wonder if there isn't something a little fishy.
Companies that pay for actual lines, not divided by character?
Does anyone know what companies pay for actual lines and not by characters per line?
What companies still pay gross lines?
nm
can DQS be set up to count gross lines? nm
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55 is better. After gross lines, companies
went to 55 character lines, and now 65 character lines.
With the 55-char line, you only have to type 55 characters to get your line rather than 65.
Doesn't FirstChoice pay gross lines? If so, then
6 or 7 cpl gross would be equivalent to about 8-9. Not very good, but could be worse.
The Above is for a 65-character line.
Sorry...I left that part out. Thanks.
8.5 for 70 character line
That is what I thought. The guy I talked to said this was the same as 9 cents per 65 character line or a little more.
It is not 65 character line. It probably would come out to 75-
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They also pay on a 55 character line rather than 65.
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When they say 62 character line or sm
68 character line, or 55 or 65. What is better for the MT? I am dense. Thanks.
55-character line
Is a program that measures on a 55-character line good or bad? Don't they generally do 65-character? I know this is dumb, but which is better?
If it is a 65 character line and being
counted by VBC, then soneone on another post said you cpl should go up 2 cents to equal out the difference in pay.
"a line is a line" means gross line.
Gross line is a line, no matter how long or short.
Meditech usually pays by gross lines so I find
that it works out about the same, maybe even a little more per hour. That has just been my experience, though.
what is a 65 character-defined line?
what is a 65 character defined line?
Question, what does 65 character B/W line mean? I'm not sure what the B/W is??(nm)
37-character line without spaces much better...SM
Hi! I just checked an OP note I did yesterday. Characters with spaces was 5935. I get paid on a 65-character line with spaces, so that came out to 91.3 lines.
Characters without spaces was 4999. So, if you divide that by 37, you get 135.1 lines.
In the first scenario, I would get paid $8.22.
In the second scenario, I would get paid $12.16. (If both pay the same per line...9 cents in this example).
So, you would definitely do better to accept the 37-character line withOUT spaces! :)
Chickadee
SoftScript's Character Line
I am interested in SoftScript's pay rate.
I heard they pay by a 65 character line? What do they use as their words per line rate?
I am working for a company who uses 8 words per line and am curious as to how this would compare to SoftScript? Any information would be helpful!
Thanks!
it sounds like a 55-character line without spaces
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