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It is too late for unions. It never would have worked.

Posted By: Barely any unions left in US of any sort. on 2007-04-13
In Reply to: Theory about MT Pay - Anonymous

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Unions exist to make money for unions.
That's the truth. They don't care if companies close because they can't afford to pay union wages, and then the workers have nothing.
Unions are on the side of the Unions!
You have a very glorified view of unions. For many years, unions have been associated with graft, corruption, and greed, and for good reason. The unions are in business for the unions, period. Unions will twist the truth to whatever extent necessary to pit workers against management. That is how they stay in business. Have you ever seen info about the salaries that union bosses make? They are atrocious. Unions are a BUSINESS. They are in business for themselves. They are NOT charitable organizations out to help workers, although that is what they say. They will only help the worker to the extent that it lines their pockets.
I've worked there several years, and have never had a late paycheck nm
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Too little, too late? It is never too late. I am one person, true, but together

Let me tell what this ONE person achieved on her own and then you can imagine what many of us can do if we stand together.


Two years ago, I was working as an MT for a local hospital.  One day, we were told that our overflow was going to be outsourced to one of the nationals, just the discharge summaries and not even all of those.  Two months after they told us that lie, they called is in one by one and fired us because they were outsourcing the entire dept because it was cost effective.  The service they were using was a very large national who I happened to know had a reputation of offshoring.  And I just knew because our little hospital had easy as pie dictators with maybe 4 out of a staff of 200 that were ESL, our work would most definitely be one of the accounts offshored.


I was angry!  Oh, they offered us jobs at the service and told us we would definitely be working on our hospital, but I'm no fool and I knew it would be a matter of time before we were forced to take secondary accounts which would eventually become our primary accounts and our little hospital would just disappear from our queues. 


I refused the job with the service on moral grounds.  I refused to work for a company that offshored.  And then I decided to channel my anger and outrage into something proactive.  I wrote letters to every newspaper in my area.  Every small farming community newspaper this hospital served, and the big city newspaper in the big city close by.  I never dreamed that anyone would pay attention at one woman's rantings.  But a funny thing happened.  My letter was printed in more than one of the papers I sent it to, and reporter from one of the larger newspapers called me and asked if I would do an interview.  I said absolutely.


Long story short, they did the interview and then interviewed the administrator of the hospital.  They put him in the hot seat and asked him about offshoring health information to India.  He had no definitive answers to give except that he would have to look at the contract and make sure that it was stipulated that his hospital's work was not sent over seas.


It was a small triumph, but I took some satisfaction in it.  Two weeks after that and just when I thought all the hoopla had died on my little letter, another letter appeared in the newspaper -- from an HIM director at another local hospital who said as a result of reading my letter and interview, that she had received a number of calls from concerned people asking if their medical information was being sent and transcribed overseas.  She wanted to write the letter just to set the record straight that her hospital employed their own MTs and did not outsource to a service nor did they offshore any of their work to third-world countries.


And I'm still not done.  Still a few weeks later another letter in the big city paper was printed from another HIM director assuring the community that her hospital employed its own American MTs and did not outsource or offshore.


Now, everything has quieted down since then, but I managed to ruffle some feathers and make a point, and if I (one person, one middle-aged work-at-home mother of two) can cause that much ruckus -- think what a whole bunch of us can do.


I think we, as a group, need to take control of our industry and our career destiny and do something.  Maybe march on Washington DC protesting the offshoring of American jobs -- not just ours, but ALL American jobs that are being offshored.  There are more Americans out of work and losing work to third-world countries and corporate greed than just MTs!  Our government needs to hear our voices!  We need to MAKE ourselves be heard! 


Instead of sitting back and pasting little smiley faces in our posts and saying good luck with that we need to come together.  There is no room for MTs willing to accept lower wages, no room for MTs whose hearts bleed for our third-world counterparts, and no room for MTs who want to sit back and do nothing, but reap the benefits when the strong win the battle.  We've reached a critical turning point and it's time to take up the cause and change the future. 


Unions
Yeah. Unions have worked really well for the auto workers.
I don't see where unions have done anything for anybody.
My brother was in the aircraft mechanics union. He paid BIG dues. He worked 3 years without a contract with a major airline. When they were negotiating, the airline told them that they would give them their raises on paper but that they were going belly up and would use the mechanics as their scapegoat because they demanded more money. That is exactly what happened. The airline went belly up and the mechanics were the scapegoats. They never saw one penny of any raise.

Unions are just another big business. They take the workers' money, and the workers are just puppets doing what they're told, striking when they're told, unable to feed their family because of unions.
Unions
WE CAN'T WIN!!  So I guess I'm just going to shut up and type some more!
Unions not the answer
I strongly disagree that unions will solve the problems afflicting the MT field. As long as there is outsourcing and other alternatives to traditional transcription, such as voice recognition, there will continue to be downward pressure on MT wages. Years ago when I worked in Human Resources for health care facilities, I sat on the other side of the negotiating table negotiating union contracts (our nurses were unionized), and I am appalled to this day at the underhanded tactics used by the unions. And talk about overinflated salaries - it is truly shocking what union officials make, and it all comes out of the pockets of union members who get a rather dubious return on their union dues. I just don't believe unionization will solve our problems. I think the only thing that will stop the downward pressure on MT pay is if an end is put to outsourcing (and I don't think its unrealistic to think that could happen at some point).
I've been in unions and know what
they can do for you. Without unions there would be no vacation pay, sick days, 40 hour week (for some).

I would very definitely love to be part of a union and also would be willing to strike if necessasry to make this happen.

Like all unions, strength is in the numbers so let's hope people support the idea.
Unions would help us get some recognition
Currently it's lacking 100%. Look at AAMT/AHDI -- they don't represent us, they're killing us. They need to be investigated and put on a short leash ASAP.
obama and unions
link The big money companies would not allow and would fight it big time. I know one southern California hospital sure did fight unionization
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/us/politics/09labor.html
If IC's can't join EXISTING unions, then maybe
it's time for MTs to form a union that DOES include IC's, especially since they are a large part of this industry. They deserve better wages, too.
Completely agree. Before unions,
people were forced to work 7 days a week, 12 hour days, no benefits, no overtime, no minimum wage, no safety standards, etc etc etc.... THANK YOU UNIONS.
You know, there are unions in place already. Here is their payscales....
Full-time and part-time employee hospital positions payscales are as follows:

MT Level 1 to Level 3=
$23.68 to $28.70 per hour plus benefits which include 401b, health insurance, dental, vision, life insurance, Wellness Programs, 24 PTO days, plus paid holidays and a few other perks.

Did you not do your homework?

The payscales you have in this post are way too low.
Unions haven't helped much in years
Sadly, they've become more of a corporation themselves. You pay dues and if a conpany wants to bail or relocate or outsource, they still can and do.
Truth about unions - good for employees
My huband is a union member. Union membership is voluntary, with it you pay dues, in exchange your union officials bargain with the company for fair wages, benefits, and pensions. A union signs a contract and during that time, the employees have job security. If there is low work because the offshore companies messed up or shipments didn't come in, it is their union that pays them subpay to compensate the difference between average earnings and unemployment if he has a week off. Also, we pay nada for health insurance premiums, only $10 for office visit, and $5/$15 for Rx, 0 for dental 50% for orthodontics, and $20 for glasses. Without the union supporting these workers they would have no ground to stand on with regard to pay and benefits and working conditions. Thanks to the union, if my husband works Saturdays its time and a half, Sunday are double-time and heaven forbid a holiday he gets paid triple time. When he retires, we keep the benefits and a nice pension. Unions are not all about the mob - I have family in chicago and it is not as you describe it. Chicago is a high crime area and it's not the unions that are causing the problem, it is the quality of people who work in SOME of the factories which are lower paying and the socioeconomic drive that results in shady business and your so called mobter and gangster life.
Well, MY experience with unions is the exact opposite...
My dad was in a textile worker's union for 35 years. He had to go through a strike when he had 3 small kids. For six weeks, he received $20 a week and only two bags of groceries for the whole duration. He lost his job at 35 years from the plant closing. That is not to mention that his union wages had us always barely making it, and the union never once did a thing about the conditions they had to work in. He has struggled with a form of bladder cancer for 19 years from working in those conditions and the chemicals used there.

Ask the auto manufacturers what the union has done for them. Yes, the workers are making it fine laid off, but the companies are near death. Those companies feed our nation. We're 1000 miles from Detroit and our livelihood depends on those car companies staying up and running. My husband's company does not make a thing related to cars, but the company that OWNS his company does.

Bottom line is that if this industry has come to the point that we are discussing needing a union, then maybe we need to either get government intervention to standardize the industry, set regulations about ONLY US work for US medical records, and use only certified workers, OR we need to go back to college for our next career choice.
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Unions in Canada, MTs make $23 hour plus Yep
I communicate with an MT in Canada and that is what she relayed.
I though unions not legal in some states (right-to-work states) nm
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Never late, not even once. (sm)
I have direct deposit and Precyse has never ever been late depositing my check, not even once. How long ago did your friend work there?
Yu are a bit late...
oh boy.. i have to chuckle at this, this woman's trying to drum up business for her husband..
Too late.

They were never late with my pay.
Their accounts were super easy, too. I just could not get enough lines there to make it worthwhile.
OK. So why were they late?
Was it an error on their part? Did it only happen once? Did you forget to fill out your timecard? Was it the first paycheck on direct deposit that always comes as a check instead? You can't just say a company pays late or doesn't pay PTO without explaining WHY.
Late Pay
I am another ExBreitner. You are absolutely correct in everything you said about Breitner.  Not only were they late but the amounts were incorrect.  For the happy employee of 2 1/2 years ---- I know for a fact that you don't even check your line count and compare it to your paycheck.  When I worked there, the only happy employees were the ones who didn't need to work for a living, so whatever pay they received they were happy ------- whether it was correct or not.  Glad I'm outta there!
They certainly DO pay late!
I've been shorted twice and finally quit after NOT receiving a paycheck at all!!!
sometimes pay is late. nm
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Never late here
I've been using direct deposit for years and have never had a problem. In fact, my checks are always deposited the night before payday. I love DD.
TTS and late pay

I have the posts about late pay from TTS (not TransTech).  Could someone currently working for them tell me how many times in the past 2 to 3 months the pay has been late.  Me personally, if I am to get paid on Friday and it does not show up until Monday that 2 to 3 days is not horrible, not great, but not horrible considering some companies I have worked for have been late by weeks and not a few days.  Am not trying to stir anyone up just trying to get a fair time span to go by.  Thanks.


Might be too late, but please sm.

I am new to MDI-MD, but have been wondering if people are cherrypicking or not. Sometimes I get a bit frustrated, but I can't prove it. How the heck do they do that on a Lanier system?? Would QA or liason do anything about it if I complained?


Late as well

No timesheet, no pay.


never late
My check has never been late in 2 years. Two times my timesheets have been late, but they always emailed me and I got it in and got paid.
The TAT was very, very late.
This company seems very disorganized. The person who trains is very scatter-brained. Very hard to catch up with her to get a straight answer about anything. They need to have real production supervisors in place instead of having the trainer, the CFO and other folks trying to manage the workflow. Paying a supe a salary is a lot more cost-effective than losing the account altogether.
Never too late
to pull the IRS card, fill out form online for IRS to investigate IC or emp status, even if years ago, and employees receive retroactive pay, in-depth audits will be performed, and lots of other good stuff can be found. 
too late now
Well, I do not think there is anything that I can do now. As far as what school I have chosen. I am about to graduate. However, I will most defiantely look into the ADHI. I didnt know the school enrolled you in this til last week. They sent a letter out to those about to graduate.
Late pay
This is highly unprofessional of them and they should not be in business. Employees checks should come first. Sounds as if they are paying themselves first. I would quit them and good riddance!!! Who needs people like that?
--- " until it's too LATE."
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Late paychecks. sm
Company I work for always behind. Paydays supposed to be 1st and 15th, and pay from 2 weeks behind. Invoice on 1st is paid the 15th. They now say payday is 4th and 20th without saying anything ahead of time. With wait on first class mail, I average a paycheck about every 25 days. It is terrible.
disgusted with late pay
I SO AGREE WITH YOU. This wouldn't be tolerated in any other kind of business, retail, contractor, service, firm, etc. If they can't afford you, then they lay you off. They shouldn't try to stiff you out of your payroll check! What a loser!
Amp not late with mine either!
worked there 6 months and have never been late - have a few other complaints, but hopefully those will be fixed in time....
Amphion never late with my pay
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yep - late direct dep is a BIG no-go for me
Yep, I would go bonkers with late pay esp if it is direct deposit. Definitely a sign of internal problems and TOTALLY unacceptable to me. Mailed checks have an excuse, but direct deposit never has one. I have very limited free time and need to schedule when I will do things and if my pay is late it screws up my entire week.

Another reason I am glad I did not get hired there.
That should be-thought-yes, it's late. nm
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I'm there over a year, never late NM
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It was late, was just trying to get message across.
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A little too late - doncha think?
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Not only do they pay late, the amount of the
checks are incorrect and it takes forever to resolve the issue with accounting.  I even talked with the owner of the company a couple of times because of incorrect and/or late paychecks.  Nothing ever changed, so I left.  Beware!
No late payments here, either. nm
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Late pay. Did either of you get paid yet? nm
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Come on... they're not even late yet
You do know they don't have to be mailed until 1/31, right?