It's all a numbers game.
Posted By: sm on 2005-12-06
In Reply to: I don't know how people can afford housing that costs that much!!! sm - Midwest
When we lived in NYC it sounded like we made a lot of money but we lived the same as we did in Pittsburgh. The numbers are different, but they're all relative.
$400,000 for a house, you make $200,000 a year.
$200,000 for a house, you make $100,000 a year.
Just depends on where you live. You might make more money elsewhere numbers-wise but the standard of living is still the same if you have the same job and educational background.
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If there are any psychics, I could use the lottery numbers for the Big Game please :) nm
Good night everyone.
look, it is all the name of the game
So, if I happen to be a favorite where I work because I am a high producer, I should not benefit from that? I should not benefit from that because another MT who is not a high producer does not get the same treatment as me? So, you are saying that it's unfair treatment to that MT. Well, I think it's unfair treatment of high producers! We are the ones that produced those lines. No one came and helped us type. We are the ones that sacrificed our personal time to put more into our job. We are the ones that sat up late at night while others were getting a good night's rest. We are more often than not the ones that work the overtime and help out on many, many accounts at a moments notice, practially being on call. So, I think that you get what you deserve. If you give normal, average, you get normal, average.
I am tired of being treated unfairly because I work longer/harder than some and reap some benefit from that. I deserve it. If you want it, put forth the same effort. We all have the chance to become high producers or favorites at our companies. It is just a matter of personal choice if you want to be one or not.
OK, just exactly how many numbers is it then...
If not just one? Please do tell, cause I'm missing something here...
name game
I have it at the tip of my tongue but it may get removed if posted.
I like your numbers much better than sm
mine. I have ten years experience, but normally I only work part time, so I haven't reached that high of a salary yet.
Again, I have to ask, is $47,000 with or without benefits?
I tend to also agree with you on the leaving blanks, looking up terms, etc. When you know your doctors, you know what they are saying. With years of experience, you know the vocabulary and you don't spend as much time looking things up.
You all bring up valid points to ponder, I am definitely going to think.....what would l look for in an employer and what am I worth based on my experience. Then I need to figure out if I am making/earning that based on the hours that I work.
Where did your numbers come from? Don’t do that in a day.
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The numbers just don't add up.
My current pay for straight typing is 10 cpl. Now, let's say I average about 160 lines per hour for an 8-hour day. For a 2-week pay period, my pay before taxes is $1280. If I double that, at 320 lines an hour at what my company is offering for VR (3.5) my 2-week pay before taxes is $896. Even if I produce 2.5 times my straight typing production at 400 lines per hour, my 2-week pay before taxes is still only $1120.
How am I making more money???
Fun with the game
Mighty Deadly Institution
The name of the game is NEGOTIATE your SM
pay. There is at least 1 person below who is upset because he/she doesn't get the same rate the OP gets. Question--did you just accept the line rate offered or did you attempt to negotiate it? More often than not, the MT is offered a line rate and just says okay and it doesn't have to be that way.
If you have years of experience with 98% quality or better, high-level acute care work (not just rural hospital gallbladder/appendix type stuff) and are willing to work the off shifts you can hold up each of those items and all of them as a whole to leverage yourself into a higher per-line rate right from the start.
It may only be that the MT next to you is making more per line because they did a better job of negotiating the rate.
membership is about numbers.
The American Medical Association allows foreign nationals who practice in this country to join their association and nobody thinks a thing of it. AAMT, does nothing different than any other association specific to a secular group and everyone goes nuts. With increased membership comes increased revenue and it does take money to run any association or business. Shoot, it takes money to run a home. I wish that more people would do something constructive toward morphing this industry into an environment that would see us all working toward a common goal (whatever the heck we choose it to be) than all this constant negativity and AAMT bashing. If you are not interested .. okay .. so be it .. but quit the bashing .. what's the gain?? It was never conceived to be a union or bargaining unit for wage negotiation .. if you don't like the offering .. you don't need to change the name to roll with change.
Downsizing is the name of the game
I would stay away unless you want to work your fingers to the bone, be monitored on how many minutes you clock in, and appreciate little or no respect for the work you do.
SHOULD HAVE BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME...SM
Sounded like a backstabbing, dirty trick to play. But if you had known (and the NEXT time they ask you for a list of worst dictators) you will know what to do...thanks for the tip for the rest of us: Just do a turnabout and give them a list of your BEST one...they'll send the worst to India!!! Kind of like switching drinks with someone who's spiking your drink when they're not looking (LOL)
IP numbers can be seen by the admin BUT a lot
of money will be paid for the service of having someone's records subpoenaed. I have read this entire thread and I see nothing that anyone can really do.
IP addresses are not definitive either. Groups of people can share an IP address particularly on places like AOL and there are other companies that do it that way also, so someone would really have to go to lengths to find out the definite ID of someone. I don't believe I have read anything other than independent opinions presented on this topic.
These boards are to share opinions and not all opinions are fair, but this is the United States and we do have freedom of speech. Presenting an opinion about a company is ok. Libeling a company is not. I do not see libel at all in this topic.
If you can't name numbers, it is not that good, obviously.
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I keep a list of job numbers by day, and that's it.
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Thanks for playing our game!
And all you get is this lousy :) icon
hee hee
Competition is the Name of the Game!
What we have always seen happen within the U.S. between U.S. workers in the job market , competition , is expanding to the global marketplace. U.S. workers now not only have to compete with each other in the arena of marketable skills , they must also compete with those in other countries who not only possess the same marketable skills , but do so at lower prices. Naturally , a company which can get the same production out of a worker for a smaller price is going to choose that worker, as the savings in labor costs will increase the bottom line.We lost our manufacturing base on just this scenario...a fatal blow to the soundness of our economy , IMO. That left us with a service sector base , which is also facing the same threat , with the likelihood of the same result , suffered by our manufacturing base.
One solution is as Obama has suggested. The feds take away any tax breaks companies which outsource get to the deteriment of U.S. workers. Will the U.S. government do something like that? I doubt it. Look at what is happening right now over the issue of illegal immigration into the U.S. We were attacked on 9/11 ; drugs and criminal are being brought across our borders ; our law enforcement officials and citizens are under attack ON OUR OWN SOIL from those coming across the border ; and in the economic arena , companies are hiring illegals and undercutting U.S. workers' wages.
The People have demanded the border be secured and the Congress passed a bill calling for U.S. border security. But , what has actually been done? NOTHING!!! Why? Because the feds don't want to secure the borders. If they did , the borders would be secured , or at least a serious attempt would have been made. So , why haven't they secured the border? Because U.S. companies want to employ illegals and pay them lower wages , thus increasing company profits. The dirty little secret , that isn't really a secret , is that our legislators and president are all about serving their masters...and that isn't We the People ; that is the corporate and banking classes who fund their campaigns and give them lucrative positions in their compamies when they leave office.
So , unfortunately there it is.
Well, I crunched the numbers
If you translate old LPH rate into lines, they restructured the tiers so they start at a lower amount of lines, and pay at a higher bonus rate than before. So management's intent was to give us a bonus raise, and that is how it will work out for me (going by the lines I typed the last couple of pay periods).
As far as not getting the bonus when you take PTO, that is pretty much standard for companies with line-based incentives. Its just another downside of production-based pay. Only if a person was paid hourly could they expect to get paid exactly the same for PTO (but they'd also get paid the same all the time, and no ability to make more by working harder).
I feel they had good intentions when they made this change. The LPH system had its problems (like when Enterprise would fbe slow or reeze up you'd have to keep adjusting the time clock because your LPH took a dive) and this was a way to eliminate some hassles. They already received some complaints yesterday that they needed to add another tier, and they did. I'm sure they will continue to tweak it if people have complaints.
Then instead of playing their game, just come out
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strength in numbers
There are certain factions who have profited greatly from having us believe that unions are corrupt and useless. Yes, there have been abuses of power in unions, and the auto industry is paying for that. However, that is only one of there problems and probably not one of their biggest.
Who needs unions? Look at the average American worker, barely able to live paycheck to paycheck, and corporations making record profits. How bad do things have to get? Are you willing to just sit back and let the corporations continue to take over?
Unions are about giving workers a chance, a chance to stand up for themselves. It is only through organizing that we can create a united front and stop this trend of abuse to the American worker. It is not about being militant or greedy. It is about human decency.
You can go to the Numbers USA website to
contact your representatives by fax about critical immigration and job issues. I just sent a couple - they are free.
band together, are you game?
To all my fellow MDI'ers, I think it is time to tighten up the bootstraps and starting thinking out of the box. Let's get together in private, put our thinking caps on, combine resources, and see what we can do for ourselves and each other. Every email will be confidential... we still have our integrity! Write to AmericanMT@yahoo.com
Well, they have turned into a game...
It's like survival of the fittest, pitting us against each other to get to the work first so we can make our lines, and it's ridiculous. Of course, they're shining like a new penny at the nonexistent TAT because we all dive as soon as a report pops up, but it's NO WAY for a person to have to make a living.
This is why I left on September 1st. First, I do not care to work for Transcend (mini-Q, IMO) and, second, I do not care for their tactics the past few months that have turned us all into blood-thirsty scavengers desperately trying to make ends meet.
And turning it into a battle royale for all MTs cross-trained on all accounts fighting for whatever scraps they deem fit to feed us?
Nope, life's too short and my skills far too valuable for THAT, the ultimate MTSO game-playing orchestration.
I left, now have a great gig FT with a great MTSO who has ample work.
I am a human being, not a catfish, and I refuse to bottom feed like some subhuman entity.
We ALL dserve better than that, IMO.
How ironic!! Game just ended. Sox won.
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How unethical to be trying to find other MTs ID numbers
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It all boils down to who will play the game
There have been a lot of good MTs at OSI. Most of those who do excellent work and have years of experience have left OSi because of tactics such as this. She may have a good work ethic and sunny disposition and do good work but is not in a better position to supervise other MTs who are better all around. The point is that people new to either the MT industry or to OSI are most often the ones promoted because they are most assuredly YES people since they don't have enough experience to know any better that OSI consistently does things such as break the wage and hour law among other things.
The numbers on the Q above do not include ILPs.
There is a difference.
Can't play the game unless you have the equipment.
Email me for comparison numbers
I don't feel comfortable publishing them here, but email me privately and I will send you a comparison of the old rates and the new rates that obviously proves its a raise. I'm working tonight but will gladly send it tomorrow to anyone that asks.
Also they sent an email to everyone yesterday stating PTO will be calculated just the same as it was before, based on what you made the prior pay period, bonus and all.
I guess quite a few people that are freaking out about this are going to feel silly in about a month when they are making more money and find out they were wrong.
UPDATE: Some numbers I have crunched on VR
I checked the amount of work I did this past week and will give you an example of what 4 cents a line (like I am paid) compares to 3 cents, like your company is talking about. I have VR as fast as it will go, if not I cannot make the amount I am comfortable with a day. This past week 1 day I had 3169 lines with VR (167 straight lines) and on the 3169 I made $126.76- if I had worked for the 3 cents a line like your company speaks I would have made $95.07. Being fast means nothing if you cannot speed the audio up and with escription it will only speed up so much. I know people's concerns, I had the same but just thought would run this past people so they could see the difference in 4 as opposed to the 3.
join forces, anyone game?
To all my fellow MDI'ers, I think it is time to tighten up the bootstraps and starting thinking out of the box. Let's get together in private, put our thinking caps on, combine resources, and see what we can do for ourselves and each other. Every email will be confidential... we still have our integrity! Write to AmericanMT@yahoo.com
the circle game of resumes and ads
Same old ads, same old resumes. Nothing is going to change, people. We are stuck with each other.
Happy Labor Day. Or should I say Groundhog Day? If you catch my drift.....
GO ASTROS ! WIN GAME 3 ! WIN WORLD SERIES !!!! n/m
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Programming Lanier for phone numbers
Does anyone know how to program a Lanier VoiceWrite for phone numbers so I do not have to continuously punch them in?
I do not want to take a job where it's the bait and switch. Tired of that game.
If you could email me that would be great. This profession is going down hill fast. You get a ton of job offers but no one wants to pay you anything. I wouldnt have a problem with some of the wages, IF Iived in India.. or somewhere else that the cost of living is lower, but unfortunately when you live in America, we need American-ized wages.
Makes me nervous though when the phone numbers
listed on their website are not in service. The number for their main office is no longer in service and one of the 800 numbers is not good. Hmm......curious......
Did not say your credit was not good, I don’t care what your numbers are
I said MINE and only mine is what I care about. I am completely out of debt, only pay monthly bills and it does not matter about yours or anyone elses credit scores to me, only mine but I was just passing on what I had heard, not what I made up. The best thing for anyone to do if they are thinking about freezing their reports is to contact their credit bureaus. As for me, I see no need in doing this at all. What others do, I could care less. My slate is perfectly clear. Others scores, who cares?
I SO agree. Loved the little tribute toward the end of the game :-) NM
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Some companies do have toll-free numbers.
I have had that before as well.
Not all companies have toll-free numbers.
The one I work for does not. Even to call tech, it is not toll-free.
WMX question on update this a.m. Little blue box and numbers (sm)
in upper right hand, I think the numbers might be line count, what is the other one in the blue box?
Who will lead? I'm game and I will follow loudly. anyone else?
Our anger and disappointment at D's choice is bringing out what has need to be brought out LONG AGO. Our pay stagnated long ago, even those of us with 25 and 30 years plus experience. If someone has the gumption to get this news out, I will fully lend my support and voice. Please contact me off line. We can do something. Though we may feel like victims and even in some sense be victims (of our own trusting natures?), we do not have to act like victims. We do have power. Okay - anyone else
To clarify I get around their game & count my own too - ichart is short!
Tired of being ripped off
Just this month alone, I have turned in the addresses & phone numbers (sm)
of two different British scammers to Yahoo, who were trying to get me to send them money.
And in December it was the South Africans. Got a bunch more from India and Singapore last fall.
LOL I wasn't even thinking Xbox and Game Cube, but there
is a rapper named Ice Cube. He's the boyfriend/husband in Are We There Yet? and Are We Done Yet?
The Indiana and KY numbers are routed to India. I do not know how it works, sm
but when they would call from India, the number showed up as a KY or IN number, even though indeed they were in India.
They are basically nice people to deal with. I am just amazed and a bit outraged that they would lie to people in their ad. It shows a lack of respect for us as MTs, I think, to try to deceive us in such a manner.
Sound mediocre - bait and switch game with them thought. nm
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When they "link" multiple job numbers for one report, like Four View Of The Feet And Ankles.&#
Good for you, if that is true. It is really a losing game. Wouldn't advise anyone to pursue it.
You have to lie a lot, wouldn't you agree? It is all bait and switch for the recruiters. They promise a lot, but the companies do not follow through. Care to say who it is you are a hiring manager for? LOL. Never heard it called that before.
I know that DSG has their accounts split into DSG1 and DSG2 and I've noticed that the numbers for
both sides have been running a little low, may be due to the emphasis on tight turnaround time.
It is a losing game. They make next to nothing, get paid for a warm body count. Losers. Recruiters
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