FMLA for the birth of a child
Posted By: kennamt on 2009-09-09
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I work for Spheris and am questioning their FMLA policy. They are telling me that while I'm eligible for UP TO 12 weeks of FMLA, they are only approving 6 weeks after the birth of my child. According to what I read and understand about FMLA, for the birth of a child you are entitled to the full 12 weeks but HR is telling me that it's up to them to decide what I am able to take off and right now they feel I only need 6 weeks unless they have a doctor's note to extend it (which my doctor will not provide as there is no medical reason at this time). Everyone else I know gets the full 12 weeks and has never had a problem with their employers so I'm wondering who is right.
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You do not have to put your date of birth on
an application. It is illegal for them to ask age so date of birth falls in line. If you want to just provide the month and day, that's okay. The only time you would have to give date of birth or anything age related would be after you get the job and I can't really think of a reason they would need that. They would probably find it out on your driver's license for identity purposes but other than that, I see no reason to let them have it prior. Social security number again is a sensitive issue for application purposes only. When you get the job of course you do HAVE to give it whether you are employee or IC. I just would not randomly provide them with this information until you are hired and if they don't like it, they do not have to.
Well according to her we should adopt instead of actually giving birth...I think she is just unhappy
and I agree...stop complaining about your job...if you don't like it, find a new one...
They do not pay for FMLA. That is
just protection put in place by the government to hold your job. The only way you would be paid is if you have vacation/PTO time or sick time available for use. You can be off with FMLA, but not paid if there is no PTO available for you to use.
FMLA-MT
Is this part new? I worked for a national and had FMLA 3 times between 2006-2008 and none of the paperwork said anything about the below.
*Are employed at a company that employs 50 or more employees within 75 miles.*
FMLA
Just one point. No, they do not have to always approve it. There are certain criteria that have to be met including that the person must need full-time care, they are unable to feed themselves, and I forgot the other, but I do know those 2. My daughter had an emergency C-section a few months ago and has an 18-month old at home. She was not allowed to lift either child for 4 weeks after the surgery due to some complications so couldn't pick the baby up from her crib or pick her up 18-month-old to change diapers nor could she herself get in and out of the shower, walk steps (laundry) or basically even get in and out of bed. My FMLA was denied because my daughter could still feed herself. She is an employer lawyer and had told me right away I wouldn't get FMLA, and she was right. It will only be approved if it meets all the criteria.
FMLA
Is true, They must hold your job for 12 weeks, I guess since they do most of their business in India now they think they don't have to follow Federal law.
what about FMLA, does that apply? nm
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Quit Job-FMLA
Laurie, First I want to offer my since condolences on the loss of your father.
I lost my mother 5 years ago. I don't have much good to say about my former employer, Spheris, but I will have to give them credit regarding their 3-day bereavement policy. My mom was in the hospital about a week before she passed. At the time I was working M-F, 2nd shift My brother called me the night she went into the ER, thinking she might pass that night. I emailed my supe and went to the hospital. When she did pass a week later, it was just after midnight between F-S, so I had the weekend off. The funeral was on Monday. I took my 3 days M-W and even asked for an extra day and got it as regular PTO. This was at a time when there were 3-4 hurricaines in Florida, where Spheris was based at that time and they had a lot of employees fleeing for their lives and the work volume was super high. I felt a little bad leaving them in the lurch, but I certainly took the time allotted.
As far as your FMLA, why wasn't it approved? By federal law they have to approve it. If you have PTO, you have to use that first and then any additional time is, of course, unpaid. Last year, my son was in a near-fatal accident and I applied and was granted full-time FMLA for the first week and then intermittent FMLA thereafter. Of course, I had a ton of PTO accrued so getting paid wasn't an issue for me. At that time, I worked a split a.m. and evening p.m. shift. I tried to work in the a.m. and p.m. and go to the hospital in the afternoon. However, if I needed to go in the a.m., I just emailed my supe. My son lived, thank God, and when he came home from the hospital he had many followup Dr. appts and many of them were in the a.m. due to Dr's office scheduling. I used my FMLA as needed with approval. Occasionally I made up time.
I don't really have much advice regarding what to say on job aps after quitting.
I know this is very long, but I just wanted to tell you that you have my sympathy for your ordeal. Maybe it wasn't the best to quit, but I would still like to know why they didn't approve your FMLA? Email if you want to talk further.
Sincerely, Lorie
FMLA only gives you the right to be out - the only pay you would get would be saved PTO or short-ter
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FMLA - Depending on your state
might pay. I remember reading NJ just passed FMLA with up to 12 weeks pay (you'd have to be employee status though because it's taken from state disability funds you're paying into) and I think CA also provides for paid FMLA now. My state doesn't pay for FMLA, but does temporary disability and maternity is covered under that.
Found this description of FMLA eligibility
Employees eligible for leave under FMLA are those who:
· Have completed at least 12 months of service with the company, and
· Have a minimum of 1,250 hours of service during the 12 month-period immediately preceding the
commencement of the leave, and
· Are employed at a company that employs 50 or more employees within 75 miles.
What if you've already used FMLA leave before, or you think you may use it again in the near future?
You may wonder if you still have FMLA leave available to you. TriNet uses a rolling 12 months
measured backwards from the date an employee uses any FMLA leave. In other words: you’ll look at the
end date of your requested FMLA leave, then look back 12 months to determine if you’re still entitled to
any of your 12-week FMLA leave within that period.
go to their Portal, put FMLA in Search box, click FAQ.
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MTSOs have a unique loophole in the FMLA Federal
MTSOs have a unique loophole. I got caught up in it a couple of years ago when trying to use medical leave for my personal medical illness.
Here are the Federal Requirements:
EMPLOYEE ELIGIBILITY
To be eligible for FMLA benefits, an employee must:
• work for a covered employer;
• have worked for the employer for a total of 12 months;
• have worked at least 1,250 hours over the previous 12 months; and
• work at a location in the United States or in any territory or possession of the United States where at least 50 employees are employed by the employer within 75 miles.
The loophole for MTSOs is the last one …”50 employees… within 75 miles.” MTSOs can interpret that to mean “50 employees who WORK FOR SPHERIS” within 75 miles of EACH OTHER. So, if you live in the middle of Wyoming, there may not be 50 employees within a 75 mile radius of your home. Thus, the loophole, which some MTSOs actually do use.
HOWEVER, some employees do have a counter-loophole. States also have FMLA requirements, and the State that you live in supersedes Federal requirements. In my case my Sate does not have the “75 mile radius” requirement, so after I contacted my MTSO and informed them of that, they backed down and approved all the leave I wanted.
Check out your State requirements to see if they are different. If they are not, if you can survive with 6 weeks and want to keep your job, I would not rock-the-boat any further. Personally, I would use those 6 weeks to find another employer who is more employee friendly, if there are any left out there.
Good Luck and Congratulations on the new Baby.
Would I tell my child
I would tell my child that determination is a necessary start. I would also tell them that a PROPER education is key and to beware of shoddy or inferior schools, especially in the field of MT. The field is just too competitive and there are too many good schools. I do not care what sacrifice I had to make (second mortgage, second job, borrow from family), I would see that my child went to any 1 of the big 3. I have done recruiting and I know how some of these lesser schools are viewed .
You must have seen the ad that has the woman with the child on her lap - sm
That's a joke. All the pictures show the moms with the kids on their laps transcribing away. DOES THIS SEEM REALISTIC TO YOU?? But yet, people fall for it! I have been doing this for 15 years and make $62,000, but I PAID MY DUES AND WORKED MY BUTT OFF to get there. I worked in a hospital with others around me to help me out, when I was confident I left and worked at home, now I'm doing my own thing.
Nothing wrong with a 70's child!
Who are you to say that her apology shouldn't be accepted? Wow, yourself.
My taxes pay for your child
Here again our taxes are paying for you having children -- tired of it. People that get money back or even more than they pain all due to having kids -- we pay for their children. No wonder we have such a deficit and such a work ethic, -- they want everyone to take care of them -- so tired of that.
Hot Child In The City
But just think how much easier it'll be to look at that electric bill! I keep ours over 80, but I'm the opposite...65 and lower and the heat is ON!
I'm an uneducated child who..:
Makes $5000 consistently! LOL. BTW, it helps to learn teenage slang so you know what's going on with your kid. Did I finally shut you up or what? Cheers!
or a selfish child...
that's what my kids used to say until I taught them that they need to care about other people, too. We need to work together, folks.
I have 1 child at home
I used to try to work very early, but my accounts have no work early any more, so now I work through the day around nap times or whenever I can squeeze a minute in. It is not easy at all, but the alternative is paying for daycare, so I keep struggling through. I keep hoping it will get easier.
I love my children but having a child does not mean
everything is honey and sunshine. I really think nothing anymore about people who say they do not want. I think they are being realistic about a job you give yourself to for 18+ years, sometimes with not the most pleasant of outcomes in a relationship when a person who wants other things strives to have what they want and what they need. I used to think people who said no children were selfish- I understand their statements now. Motherhood is very much played up as far as I am concerned. Most of these posts are speaking from having young babies, toddlers before teen years and grown- those are the really good years. No pity needed nor wanted. My children had a very priviledged upbringing.
Yes -- we are all so very aware that you are their Golden Child. NM
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golden child! LOL! good one. nm
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Was your child so sick you have to permanently
stay home or could you have returned to your job with just a small amount of time off? A good inhouse job would be hard to give up unless totally necessary but by now that inhouse might have outsourced anyway. I had 2 that did. I do not read the board but what is the going price now? I work parttime now and make over $20 an hour as independent for a national.
I also have a special needs child, but my company routes
our work so that one person can't do lots and lots of minutes and there not be any for the others. Usually there is plenty of work for everyone to do lots and lots of "extra" minutes. There have been rare days where there wasn't a lot of extra work, usually due to the hospital system being down, and I may be a couple of hundred lines short because there needed to be some work for everyone, but usually the next day there was plenty to go around. Unfortunately most companies just want the work done and doesn't care who does it. If someone stays up all night to work that is better for TAT, which is a major concern with most companies these days.
If ya think $877/month for empl+child is fair..go for it
Just thing of ABducting a child..take a way. ADDuc
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Child labor laws haven little or nothing to do with it. sm
If children aren't developing a decent work ethic, or expect things handed to them, that's something they're learning at home (or, rather, /not/ learning at home). I'd look first to the parents before I'd start blaming outside influences.
"How to avoid your child while you work"
I had forgotten about that. I was so disgusted about the other OSi tactics but that little jewel was in the back of my mind. My baby means everything to me and I will avoid OSi while I work is the bottom line.
My child is insured by her father, but I do not have insurance
and as far as work availability. I have worked for about 4 different companies in the last year. Things start off well, plenty of work, and then all of a sudden the work dries up. Currently, I have 3 backup accounts, and yet still out of work. Tired of hearing about slow downs. When I worked directly for hospital, both while I was in-house and at home, we had slow downs. They lasted a day or two at specific times of the year. We could use our PTO to take time off. With these companies, there is no backup for no work...no work = no pay. I cannot depend on my income at all since losing my hospital job. I have not made anywhere close to what I used to make and Im just totally frustrated. The economy of the state I live in is such right now that jobs are few and far between and the unemployment rate is very high right now. Feel like I am running out of options.
Agree. Child at work. Run along, little Initial Capser. nm
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I don't think it is acting like a spoiled child to share your experience...
the original poster asked the question, we are just sharing our side of the story...
Dont they make you feel like a child with the threatening emails?
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They also offer paternity leave and also both leaves for adoption of a child.
I love these people.
pregnancy is a disability when you have complications/C-section/ and even child birh is a procedure.
So just because you didnt get money for your pregnancy, then just get over it.
I had a horrible time with both of my pregnancies and could not work even though I wanted and needed to.
People can get off of work for 6 weeks for drug treatment, mental angious, etc. Those are not disabilities but are conditions that warrant time off.
I think someone is turning green with envy and doesnt handle life well.
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