Because recruiters get paid to recruit....SM
Posted By: me on 2008-01-28
In Reply to: why not address the question - sm
Would prefer to hear some opinions of those that have possibly already been there and done that. Thanks for your input. :)
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They are recruiters and get paid by the companies
they represent. They represent the same companies that post on the job boards. They don't get you more $$ or a better schedule. They only represent a couple of companies and are going to refer you to one of them, whether it is a good fit for you or not. If you decline a position you'll never hear from them again.
If you'll read the archives you'll find lots on them and all state about the same thing.
Is everyone also aware recruiters are paid by SM
how many people are hired? Many of the companys pay them like that. Therefore, they are not working to place someone in a job that works for the MT and the company. They want a job filled and they want to be paid.
Some recruiters are paid a head-hunting fee
if you're getting an uncomfortable feeling, don't ignore it. It's your intuition speaking to you.
What makes you think recruiters are paid on volume?
Most that I know are paid salary. Only a few pay on commission.
It is a losing game. They make next to nothing, get paid for a warm body count. Losers. Recruiters
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that's too bad..maybe it's the recruiters accusing others of being recruiters...
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that's who they recruit for and
possibly another company
Who do you recruit for?
If you don't mind sharing.
You recruit for what company? Why so shy?
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Do you recruit MTs for Keystrokes or not?
They all post below, but not yet one of them will say what company they recruit for. What is sm
up with that? Does anyone wonder? LOL. I sure do.
Synthescribe has taken to another board to recruit
One of their employees is all over another board recruiting and getting 100 bucks per referral. Thats just pitiful.
Who does Louise Hancock recruit for? (on job-seek
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"Hiring Manager", and who calls them that, who exactly do you recruit for that you make 42 K s
recruiting? You have been asked, but still do not answer. Fraud? I think so. Most recruiters are frauds. If you do indeed make that much, then from whom? And what do the MTs make?
I recruit for a company that has had ups and downs on this board and have some insight.
I attended MTIA a few weeks back and spoke with other recruiters and some established MTSOs and some just starting to build their MTSOs. What I learned is that most companies are alike in many ways, and most want to improve. The common factor was often that they want to do more for their employees but get slapped in the face too often by MT's who do not work when they are supposed to, do not produce what they commit to and think that they are better than they actually are but cannot take criticism of any sort. There are a lot of MTSOs who do not offshore, but they are frustrated by MT's who want more and more and give less and less. It's a catch 22 for them too, so maybe it's time for everyone to step back and reevaluate.
As a recruiter, I sometimes get 100 resumes a week. Most do not even get past that first contact and here is why:
When I get a resume that has a typo in it, I do not even acknowledge it. I shred it. I have learned that if someone cannot be accurate on their first impression, they will not be later on. You'd be surprised how many resumes and cover letters are full of obvious typos.
If we have a help wanted ad that specifies 2 years of experience required, half the resumes will be from students or those with no experience. They can be very demanding and rude at times, which is no way to treat a potential employer.
If we have a specific ad for hours and/or days, about 40% of the responses are for something completely different.
We now have auto reply for resumes but will probably get rid of that in the near future. Many applicants take the auto-reply as a sign that they are being considered even if they are not, especially the often very pushy offshore applicants, even though our ads say no offshore applicants will be accepted.
Another thing that I see far too often is that some applicants, right up front, demand certain days and hours and pay, no matter what our ad says.
Finally, here is the biggest turn off for me: Failure to follow instructions. Our ads always say that we do not accept attachments, to paste resumes into email. However, there will be days when every single email I receive has an attachment. I have now set it up to send emails with attachments to spam, which automatically empties each night. Those that go into spam do not get an auto-response. That's the way I set it up and it works well. Why should I respond to each one that blatantly ignores instructions? Again, if someone cannot follow instructions when applying, they most likely will not once employed.
There are a lot of wonderful, experienced, hard-working MT's in the U.S. who follow instructions, keep their word and take pride in producing quality reports. It takes a while for us to get the great employees but we keep sorting through junk to get to them, just as they have to sort through companies to eliminate the bad ones.
I have recruited for 4 different companies over the last 10 years. While they can be very different in many ways, most are pretty decent and want to treat their employees well, but they are getting burned out by being burned over and over again.
MTIA opened my eyes. If we do not start working together, the U.S. companies will start sending everything offshore where the employees want and need the work. The offshore companies were out in force and they are looking for ways to improve, which is scary. They WANT to take over, and we are giving them a lot of opportunity.
Don't let anyone fool you. AHDI and the big-wigs from the big companies are VERY friendly with the offshore companies. Their work is getting better and their prices are better and U.S. only companies might be phased out because of this. We need to take back our industry or offshore companies and VR are going to take it from us.
Polish your skills, make sure that your resume is perfect and be persistant.
I recruit for a company that has had ups and downs on this board and have some insight.
I attended MTIA a few weeks back and spoke with other recruiters and some established MTSOs and some just starting to build their MTSOs. What I learned is that most companies are alike in many ways, and most want to improve. The common factor was often that they want to do more for their employees but get slapped in the face too often by MT's who do not work when they are supposed to, do not produce what they commit to and think that they are better than they actually are but cannot take criticism of any sort. There are a lot of MTSOs who do not offshore, but they are frustrated by MT's who want more and more and give less and less. It's a catch 22 for them too, so maybe it's time for everyone to step back and reevaluate.
As a recruiter, I sometimes get 100 resumes a week. Most do not even get past that first contact and here is why:
When I get a resume that has a typo in it, I do not even acknowledge it. I shred it. I have learned that if someone cannot be accurate on their first impression, they will not be later on. You'd be surprised how many resumes and cover letters are full of obvious typos.
If we have a help wanted ad that specifies 2 years of experience required, half the resumes will be from students or those with no experience. They can be very demanding and rude at times, which is no way to treat a potential employer.
If we have a specific ad for hours and/or days, about 40% of the responses are for something completely different.
We now have auto reply for resumes but will probably get rid of that in the near future. Many applicants take the auto-reply as a sign that they are being considered even if they are not, especially the often very pushy offshore applicants, even though our ads say no offshore applicants will be accepted.
Another thing that I see far too often is that some applicants, right up front, demand certain days and hours and pay, no matter what our ad says.
Finally, here is the biggest turn off for me: Failure to follow instructions. Our ads always say that we do not accept attachments, to paste resumes into email. However, there will be days when every single email I receive has an attachment. I have now set it up to send emails with attachments to spam, which automatically empties each night. Those that go into spam do not get an auto-response. That's the way I set it up and it works well. Why should I respond to each one that blatantly ignores instructions? Again, if someone cannot follow instructions when applying, they most likely will not once employed.
There are a lot of wonderful, experienced, hard-working MT's in the U.S. who follow instructions, keep their word and take pride in producing quality reports. It takes a while for us to get the great employees but we keep sorting through junk to get to them, just as they have to sort through companies to eliminate the bad ones.
I have recruited for 4 different companies over the last 10 years. While they can be very different in many ways, most are pretty decent and want to treat their employees well, but they are getting burned out by being burned over and over again.
MTIA opened my eyes. If we do not start working together, the U.S. companies will start sending everything offshore where the employees want and need the work. The offshore companies were out in force and they are looking for ways to improve, which is scary. They WANT to take over, and we are giving them a lot of opportunity.
Don't let anyone fool you. AHDI and the big-wigs from the big companies are VERY friendly with the offshore companies. Their work is getting better and their prices are better and U.S. only companies might be phased out because of this. We need to take back our industry or offshore companies and VR are going to take it from us.
Polish your skills, make sure that your resume is perfect and be persistant.
Same exact message a few weeks ago and poster is the manager trying to recruit.
Which is fine but you should really try to keep posting as the one person you are CMT-me. You make it appear that you have employees recommending you when in fact you are the one that is doing your own recruiting but you should not pose as another employee.
I find that people who refuse to say who they recruit for are frauds. Nonsense.
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Now the recruiters have gotten
Take it to the job seekers board and post away. I don't believe you are a happy MT. It sounds like you want to recruit some happy MTs.
Those recruiters will say anything SM
to keep you talking to them. Come back after you've spoken with the supervisor because I am willing to bet they aren't going to be flexible other than 30 minutes either way on a shift and definitely no 12-hour window.
Think what you wish? I know several recruiters
and they make much more than $35000.
MTs for recruiters
Maybe instead of overworking the recruiters, those of us who want jobs should be hired as recruiters, MTs and QA people. At least we would know what NOT to do!!
MT RECRUITERS, INC.
Anyone know anything about these people?
What's up with TT recruiters?
I emailed a resume with an immediate response. Emailed back with question and then received a reply but now that I have emailed back, nothing for days and days. Makes me wonder.......
was it one of those RECRUITERS? lol
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The recruiters for SS are just as bad!
All around smarmy situation here, worse than anything I've ever seen. And I've been in this biz a long time...
I loved when they sent around the memo to nominate them for MTSO of the year.  Were they serious or just rubbing in their nastiness?
Exactly! Get rid of the recruiters, the
secretaries to the secretaries, the assitants to the assistant manager/supervisor, etc., most of the human resources personnel, even some of the so-called techs who don't know as much about computers as I do! Trim the fat in other places besides the ones who are actually producing the document which earns the company money! Why cut the ones generate actual REVENUE rather than the office fluff & executive-type positions?
Training on the system, not paid, but if you are physically typing reports then you are getting paid
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Oh, yea -- PAID, too. Grandmother PAID LEAVE would be a great drawing card to TT !!
Just love that PAID TIME OFF !!
Recruiters and their Styles
It seems the more telephone interviews I go through the stranger they become. You really have to wonder how a lot of so-called MT recruiters ever got hired to recruit. Where on this planet did these companies dig them up from?!!! Sometimes you are asked the strangest questions. It is usually like they don't even have your resume in front of them, never saw your test results, etc. Ask them questions and try to get straight answers...What a nightmare...Any funny stories to tell???
I think the job of recruiters is to get people to
work for the company. If you are qualified and past testing they want you. Some recruiters get paid a bonus for each hire, others just need to have new hires to show they are doing their job. I have had dealings with one recruiter who told me what a wonderful account they wanted me to work on, that people on it just loved it and there was rarely an opening so I should count my blessings. I talked to the team leader and she told me about the account and how hard it was and that they couldn't keep MTs on it. I had worked on that account at a different company and I knew for a fact how hard it was. Fortunately for me the team leader was honest, because had I taken the job based on the recruiter I would have quit the next day.
I think a recruiter should be as honest as they can be because it costs money to hire and train and if the MT isn't going to stay because what she was told and what IS was to different things it doesn't look good. I have had recruiters who are not/have never been MTs and they haven't a clue what you are talking about half the time.
I have adopted Oprah's advice - doubt means don't. If I don't have a good feeling about a company I won't take the job.
Have you asked their recruiters? -nm
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Clique/recruiters
Maybe it is one recruiter who works for several companies. A clique of one!
There are recruiters who work for more than sm
one company and they could play an obstacle game with an applicant who refused an offer from one company and applied to the other. People can be fickle and mean.
I see some QA/MT folks do become recruiters from
thread below. Does anyone know how to break into this? I believe I would be very good at this and I don't believe I have ever seen any ads for recruiters.
If I have never seen any ads, how do some of the recruiters who have been/are MTs/QA manage to find the positions that they do in order to allow them to change companies when some of us have never seen an ad to allow us to even enter that end of the field?
I would love to know because I think it would be very interesting.
Would you recommend just to start emailing all companies or calling them, or do you think it would be a waste of time?
Dear Recruiters: I would like to sm
know why you don't state in your job ad what kind of internet connection is needed. Mainly, I would like to know if satellite is acceptable so I know whether or not to even pursue it. Some do say so, but many do not. I really just wonder why. It wastes the time of the recruiter with useless email questions and the MT's time trying to find out.
Recruiters: Thank you for sharing sm
I am really embarrassed for those people, but I am also having a good laugh. I bet you all really need to vent. Do you have a network of recruiters where you can go? I am glad to have a glimpse of your world. Now I know why some of those ads are in caps - YOU MUST KNOW HOW TO DO THIS OR DO NOT APPLY! Honestly, they sound hostile, and I skip by them, but at least now I know why.
aren't we ALL recruiters for the
company we work for. Obviously we like where we work since we are employed there....and don't we all then recruit others who are in the job market....
I think most recruiters are full of HOT AIR, and -
during the recruiting/testing/hiring process, they promise a heckuva lot more than the company ever actually delivers. There are already too many 'suits' lurking on this board, as it is.
More Ditsy recruiters
A few weeks ago a recruiter from a company whose initials are SGS called me. She was not ditzy, just had no knowledge of business etiquette at all. I thought to myself that if it was this much of a pain to deal with them in a telephone conversation, what would it be like to work for them? I think a lot of these companies do not realize that the people they put on the phone are often the only chance they will get to make a good impression. This woman needed to go to charm school.
Actually, all the MTSO recruiters have been sm
at multiple companies over their careers, I don't think she is the only one. I remember there was a Gary at Medscribe in Jacksonville who ended up at 3 other services over the years.
Any company that makes you wait to get paid until they get paid by the client
is not a company you want to get involved with. That's part of being an MTSO, figuring out how to cover your payroll while waiting to get paid. I would stay away!
Is this a live count of lines paid for or same as CTRL I that we do not get paid for ?? nm
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I'm not generalizing, but some of the MTSOs and recruiters
I've dealt with this past week are the most condescending, rude, obnoxious people I've ever "met"!!!! Most of them aren't, mind you, but I've had a run of bad apples recently. Most of them are very nice, personable, honest people. But lately, it's enough to make me want to get out of the business again. Just because a person is offering a job does not give them the right to be jerks. However, it's a good thing it came out now instead of later before I wasted my time or energy any further with them. Some of these people have such egos. They treat potential employees as peons or nuisances, so you can imagine what they treat their employees like. No wonder they're hiring again. And again. And again. I believe in treating my fellow humans with respect and dignity. There's no need to be rude or short-tempered, especially when YOU are the one that made the mistake. If it's stressing you out that much, get out of the business! Some people are just not management material. Please, proofread your ad to be sure you didn't misspell anything or accidentally cut off all the important details when you copied and pasted. Your professionalism, or lack of it, is glaringly apparent. Also, put down a wage range. After seeing my resume, do you honestly think I'd work for $.06-.07 per line? Remember, the person you tick off today with YOUR bad attitude may have been the friend from another board yesterday or a possible account referral tomorrow. I used to think highly of you. Now the truth comes out.
Please post your name so recruiters know who to NOT hire.
If you want a company who doesn't care about quality, you must be well aware already that you can't provide any.
Wal-Mart is hiring.
One of the recruiters just resigned; I don't know if I'd believe what you heard. nm
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I personally doubt most of the recruiters know each other.
It's my guess they don't know who each other is.
Recruiters changing jobs too. (sm)
One from MQ went to Precyse. Now one from JLG I see is at All Type. These are just 2 names I have noticed. Guess I have been spending too much time checking out other jobs.
And as easily as the recruiters move around SM
they also can remember all the difficult or nasty people they have had bad experience with at their old companies. What a person sows at one company, they may reap when they try to move to another.
LOL. And with whom? Only good MTs make that much, not recruiters.
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Do you want to be one? Write to the recruiters who posted
and maybe they will tell you. That kind of information could cost them their job if posted on a public board. Leave them alone.
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