Bait 'n' switch is ILLEGAL ---
Posted By: TURN 'EM IN! on 2008-06-04
In Reply to: Anyone have the experience... - sleepless
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Bait and switch
Was hired for a gross line account (this was put in writing), and then shortly after hiring was switched to a regular line account. When I did the math, I found I was losing. I contacted them, showed them the math, and the response was unfriendly, to say the least. When I was there, the QA staff were the absolute rudest I've ever encountered, also (and I work in QA now).
Unless they did some major housecleaning of their nasty QA staff and quit their bait-and-switch gross line tactics, I would stay away from this company.
They must bait and switch because...
Their ad says pay is 8-10 cpl for straight typing and 4-5 cpl for editing which is pretty normal for Escription, but as I stated above, you could get paid 15 cpl but if your not really getting paid, then it means nothing. I hope no one goes to work for and supports companies who do not pay their employees. What a disgrace. I am pretty sure the owner and/or managers are not going without pay.
Switch and bait????
You do not have to have WP5.1 to work for WRU, you just have to know how to convert files from Word Perfect. I do not switch and bait anything. It is straightforward, and you have to know what you are doing to understand it. It isn't difficult when you understand directions.
Bait and switch
Has anyone else noticed that MTs are being hired and promised, say 100% radiology, then suddenly radiology isn't ready yet so they need you to do acute care (which you *can* do but not so well). And then you never really ever do get moved to the promised specialty?
Or been hired for a new account coming on that never seems to materialize and then you are one among 30 new MTs sharing the work that the prior MTs were covering just fine, so NO ONE is getting a livable wage?
I think bait and switch has become the new incentive for recruiters. Promise them anything, give them nothing like it. And they wonder why people want OUT of MT!
Bait and switch
I have to agree with the other poster who said no matter what you are offered now, it will change and not to your advantage. That's how they lure you in. And yes, they do a huge amount of offshoring.
BAIT AND SWITCH?
Here's the scenario: A company posts here at mtstars that help is needed immediately for a daytime account with no set hours, paying higher than most. I submit my resume. About 2 weeks later, I receive testing materials via email, which I complete and return within 24 hours. Two weeks after that, I email with a query as to the status of my application. Yet another 2 weeks later, the company responds to my email with we're working on it. Yet another 2 weeks later, I am offered a phone interview. I'm wondering what might have happened to that account that needed immediate help? To prepare for the interview, I go over questions and answers in my mind, and wonder what to say when I am told that the previous position is filled or whatever. Am I totally out of line to ask what took them so long to get back to me? Or, might I ask if someone else started that position and already resigned and, if so, why?
Am I a fool to continue to communicate any further with this company?
TIA.
The old bait and switch ....
currently happening at my current company. I can't name the company here because the CEO threatens legal action if we say anything about it. It has always received high praise here and everywhere else but now that they are practically forcing everyone to speech and cutting pay to lower than what was told previously I am moving on as soon as I find another job that pays me what I am quoted. I feel your pain.
Bait and switch, but need this job!!
I tested for a company and jumped through hoops to take their many tests. I had to take a 3 hour grammar, spelling, verb, etc test. Then, I had to take a transcription test and then interview with the owner, manager and team lead. I got the call yesterday with an employment offer, in which I accepted. Then, when I received my offer via email this morning, it stated that per our discussion, your account will be all ESLs. I am mortified. All ESLs were never discussed and I accepted verbally. I am scared to death because I really need this job. Should I keep looking?
bait and switch on QAs
Your post really hit me. I am an experienced QA Editor and have had the EXACT same experience. My resume is on here for specifically QA work and they still call me and stall before telling me they really want an MT. I was even hired once for a postion that didnt exist! I am about ready to get out of this business. There is a lot of dishonesty and abuse in it.
Typical bait and switch
They are nice in the beginning, then you get lost in their shuffle. You get mass e-mails that maybe do not even apply to accounts you work on - to the tune of sometimes a half dozen or so per day - that you are told to read NOW, before you start typing. Trying to get an answer to a specific question is like trying to reach the president himself. They tell you the accounts are good, then you get put on pure garbage accounts where you will struggle to make your line counts.
The thing is, a few years ago when I began with them they were great. It seems as they have expanded, chaos has taken over. I am currently looking elsewhere. Others have already left. Notice how they are always hiring now?!
bait and switch tactics
in addition to all negative reports from other posters. I would say don't, unless you can afford to gamble that all the posters were indeed crackpots as the recruiter will tell you. Good luck whatever choice you make.
Bait and switch happened to me too
I was promised everything that I wanted and was given an account where it was impossible to make any money - what a waste of my time. Only when I gave my notice did they promise what they started in the beginning but TOO LATE. Bye bye liars.
It's on this page under BAIT AND SWITCH
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How do you spell Bait and Switch?
Sorry, but that was my experience. I don't like to give negative feedback on things, but like E-bay you have to be honest about your experience. I ran out of money and patience so I just ran and never looked back. Hope your experience is different. Oh, and forget the sign on bonus. You have to be full-time pay in 3 months and 6 months and for some unknown reason (sarcasm), a person may just always be short of that.
I do not want to take a job where it's the bait and switch. Tired of that game.
If you could email me that would be great. This profession is going down hill fast. You get a ton of job offers but no one wants to pay you anything. I wouldnt have a problem with some of the wages, IF Iived in India.. or somewhere else that the cost of living is lower, but unfortunately when you live in America, we need American-ized wages.
Ditto!!! I have experienced bait and switch
more times than I can count. I have spend hundreds of dollars on equipment and software only to start work for someone and have them act like they never heard of me. They tried to give me work that I don't do, change my hours, and even change the pay promised. Be very careful out there.
FOCUS! Run the other way-bait and switch experts!
Was interviewed by American, tested with same, was offered job by same and took job. Then, suddenly everyone else was East Asian! After specifically asking for no more than 40 to 50% ESL doctors, first job is all ESL! When I called to ask questions of the American people who hired me (such as what the instructions actually meant as they made no sense in American English, and why all the Drs were ESL) I was told that almost all of this type of doctor was ESL and I should have known this with all my experience! With all my experience I know that only a portion of the physicians who perform the type of medicine I was discussing are ESL. So, I quit before I began!!! Can you say Bait and Switch?
I had a terrible experience with them with bait and switch.
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I am assuming that the Bait and Switch tactic
people smell the coffee and leave. That is just IMHO. Of course, if you don't make that great sign on bonus, and you decide to stay for making about 300.00 a week is your thing, then go for it.
Sick of it too. Bait and switch, always happens. Will look at my contract closer too. nm
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MTSO bait and switch when hiring QA staff
I have applied to several companies for QA positions in the last few weeks. I tested for about 5 and received offers from 3. I accepted 2 of these positions.
Job #1: Told me that pay was hourly and that I would not have to do any typing. I signed paperwork and completed the 1 hour training. Was told again during training that pay was hourly. As soon as training was over I was told that I would have to type on the account first and would be paid by the line for what I typed...NOT HOURLY.
Job #2: Told me that they will pay by the line for QA and that no typing was required. As soon as I finished the 1 hour training I was told that I would have to type on the account first and would be paid by the line.
WHY DO MTSOs do this???? Why not tell the truth up front? I resigned from my original position to take these jobs. Had I been told UP FRONT that I would have to be a Transcriptionist before becoming QA I would have remained where I was and would not have accepted either position.
I have carpal tunnel issues which is why I am not a transcriptionist anymore. I DETEST LIARS AND DECEPTIVE RECRUITERS.
MTSOs, PLEASE STOP THE BAITING AND SWITCHING!!! Please be honest with people that you make them an offer!!
MTSO Hiring Bait and Switch (sorry- long)
There's a posting on one of the other forums here and it sounds similar to mine, and I just wondered if I'm having a grassy knoll moment or if it's just coinkidink.
I, in addition to 2 other people, was recently (in the last 4-6 weeks) hired IC to do M-F 9-5 clinic work in a specialty that I have years of experience in. Within the 2nd day, I was making my line counts because of the ability to short-cut the heck out of the very repetitive nature of the specialty and the doctors. At the time I discussed with the recruiter that based on my prior experience, 3 people seemed overkill for this type of account, but that was tut-tutted. Okay...they know the hospital this clinic is affiliated with, not me. Within 1-1/2 weeks, the 6 week old backup was gone. A week later, about 21 jobs came in. Two weeks go by, 17 jobs. Nothing since. Last I heard mid July, there were some technical issues and the account should be up in August. Well, here we are the 5th, nothing.
Needless to say, I've had to request a secondary account, which as it happens is acute care. At the time I talked to the recruiter, she quoted me a 0.5 cpl difference between clinic and acute care. I have not been getting, despite invoices including the extra 0.5. I sent an email off to the powers that be, and was rewarded with a phone call saying fine, but from now on my primary would be the acute care, that my hours would no longer be able to be 9-5, and that M-F is also out the window as acute care doesn't work that way. When I inquired about the status of the clinic, the response was they didn't really know what was going on, but it likely wouldn't be enough work to keep the 3 of us in lines anyway (going on to state that it's our fault a ICs since we can't be counted on to work when we're supposed to as much as we're supposed to). I said okay at the time since I don't work because I want to but because I have to, but needless to say I'm searching again.
So to summarize, I'm an older, single, empty-nester and looked forward to easy lines with little or no brain power required and the freedom for a social life who thought she had stumbled onto the ideal job- perfect shift, perfect days, easy account with great lines, only to find it has vanished, and I'm back to working weekends and into the evening on an account that while not overly difficult is not the joyfully mindless line-accumulating stuff I was looking forward to. Is this common, or do I just have the world's worst luck?
Sound mediocre - bait and switch game with them thought. nm
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Bait and switch and rudeness puts them at the bottom of mine. nm
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Bait and switch? Hard dictators? Easy accounts?
Lets be reasonable here.
I see complaints because we get put on a difficult account when you know there are easier ones out there. I see complaints because when you start working for a new company you are put on an easy account and then switched to a more difficult account.
Face it. Every company has hard accounts along with the easier accounts. What should these companies do? Start you out on the worst accounts so you cannot possibly get your line counts when you are starting and as nervous as a shaky leaf? Start you on an easy account until you lose your fear and have passed QA to ensure you know the basics of transcription? (That is what you are calling bait and switch.)
I just do not think these companies can win. They certainly cannot meet your demands of easy accounts, especially those who are just starting for them and think you should get the cream of the crop. Are they supposed to penalize their long term MLS and give them all the hard work just to accommodate your every wish? Is this how you would want to be treated if you had worked for a company for 5+ years? I don't think so.
Whole other can of worms...Illegal on company's side illegal, but (sm)
Retaliatory firing for contact with government oversight agency is illegal in all cases (Whistleblower's laws). It is hard, however, to prove retaliation because company can fire for breech of policy (working overtime when not approved, etc), can railroad you until you quit or they pick up enough nitpicky things to justify termination, or in most states for no reason at all (shaky if you've been to labor board). Whether reported or not, it opens a whole can of worms, and not everybody is going to be happy with the consequences (just look at the MQ saga). IMO solely, if OT is not specifically approved, don't work it. If you want to work it and not put it on your time, feel free (but that is fraudulent records if you're caught - again grounds for termination if anybody cares, which they usually won't unless under scrutiny by oversight agency). If you ask for and get approval beforehand, everybody's happy.
Somebody took the bait
because I just got an email stating the position had been filled and they would keep my resume on file.
This is obviously a bait post. I am not biting
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They will try anything to get people to work for them.....WOW..what a bait trap!
yeah, they are watching and people take the bait
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Keep it coming - you apparently take the bait every time.
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This is illegal if... sm
If you are an employee and do not meet the exemption requirements by the Dept. of Labor, they have to pay you OT if you have to report your hours. If you are salary this does not apply because you are exempt. But if you work more than 40 hours a week as an employee of any company, they are required to pay you OT at at least 1.5 your regular rate.
SHOULD BE ILLEGAL
That's right. If they pay you on production, then you should be able to actually see it for yourself, not go by what they say. They refuse, because they know what they're up to, and I agree that if it is illegal, it should be ABSOLUTELY ILLEGAL.
There was nothing illegal about it
They were telling me that they were letting me go - had given all my doctors to other MTs over a time period. So, when they emailed me - I just called the unemployment office, since they didn't need me any longer and filed. The particulars had to be hashed out between the state and KS - not me. I then went to work as an IC - searched for employment every week as required - and filed as was required. There is nothing illegal about it - but in the transcription field, there are many more IC jobs than employee jobs, thus the difficult job search. I am happy where I am now and - and I think KS might have learned a lesson - but somehow I doubt it.
That is illegal
You need to report them to the wage and hour commission and get out of there fast.
While same co. is doing something illegal and
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They also don't pay for OT, despite it being illegal not to. nm
Nothing illegal about it, just not a very
smart way for the facility to set up the demos. Why would you think it is illegal???
yes it is illegal! They have set the sm
requirements for the job. The requirements they have set makes that an employee job and not an IC. Check out the IRS regulations. It says, you MUST, you MUST, please do not apply if you can't work these hours, etc. I take exception to the part especially where she says do not apply if you want a higher wage, etc. This kind of stuff is why the MT profession is in the mess its in.
I am sure she will get somebody who really needs a job but they are getting a raw deal and this kind of stuff perpetrates more of the same!!!!!!!!!
Actually, it is illegal
It is clearly not an IC position. According to the IRS http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=173423,00.html
If you have the right to control or direct not only what is to be done but also how it is to be done then your workers are most likely employees. If you can direct or control only the result of the work done, and not the means and methods of accomplishing the result, then your workers are probably independent contractors.
This falls under one of the three broad guidelines that are used to determine Employee, IC or SE.
According to Publication 1779,
If you receive extensive instructions on how work is to be done, this suggests you are an employee. Instructions can cover a wide range of topics, for example:
- How, when, or where to do the work.
According to Publication 15-A,
Generally, a worker who performs services for you is your employee if you have the right to control what will be done and how it will be done.
It goes on to state that if that employer/employee relationship exists, it really doesn't matter if you call it an Independent Contractor position or not. The withholding must still be withheld.
If that prospective employer is advertising the position as an IC with no intention to withhold any kind of taxes, the way she has phrased the ad, saying that you must work certain days and certain times, she is breaking the law.
it should be illegal if not already! sm
They can give you a transcription test that will accomplish the same thing. This is nothing more than underhanded age discrimination. No hearing has nothing to do with age, so they should just give you a transcription test and leave it at that. If you can't hear well, you are not going to do well on the test anyway.
These companies hire MTs who don't know what they are doing all the time. New folks coming out of school with really no training and they produce a really bad document and that has nothing to do with their hearing..
Im telling you this hearing test thing is just a subtle age discrimination thing.
Asking illegal questions
No, they cannot ask what they want to. You imagine incorrectly. One should never put down one's DOB until s/he has an offer, or give a SSN until the offer is made. Similarly, they cannot ask questions regarding health and disability until they have made an actual offer. (Cf: Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990), so no, they CANNOT ask whatever they want--or if they do, you have a cause of action with the EOC.
Illegal questions
Somebody should tell this to Sten-Tel because both SSN and DOB are on their application.
But its illegal to tell IC they cant work wherever they
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Wonderfully illegal
Working OT and not getting paid for it is illegal, just ask the suits at MQ.
i don't think volunteering is illegal and
there are a lot of unpaid internships available for other things to learn how to do the job, why not mt'ing.
Probably not illegal if you are told
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It is illegal. If she needs someone for a certain shift,
then she needs to hire an employee, not an IC. I don't understand why people don't report these companies.
If what they're doing isn't already illegal,
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That's so illegal. I wish the government would come down on these companies. nm
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Isn't it illegal now for an ex-employer to bash?
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