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I am PRO CIRCUMCISION, so I am NOT A STINKY GIRL, YOU ARE! nm

Posted By: x on 2009-02-08
In Reply to: You must pick gross men in general... - MT

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Do you think infant male circumcision is child abuse? - nm
- Do you think that piercing a child's ears is abuse? - Kendra
- As a woman married to a noncirc and - the mother of 3 circs -- here's my 2 cents
  - ABSOLUTELY! They do it WITHOUT anesthetic sm - Mom of 2 uncircs
    - www.nocirc.org - YES
  - I think in the past... - MT
    - 2 of the 3 were covered by insurance - the mother of 3 circs -- here's my 2 cents
- I don't think so. I have 2 boys. They have - me
  - Ouch, at 50-y/o....I'd run away screaming - sm - XXX
- yes, but out of ignorance, not malice - just like the western world is all up in arms abou
  - look up the lower down posts, this is a totally different story..nm - x
- no, not child abuse. what will they think of next? SM - anon
  - what do you mean by 'think of next?' This - brook
- There is a religious not hygenic reason for circumcision. - Golda
  - the bris - sadie
  - Thanks for explaining this. Do you kinow if this holds also true for Muslims? nm - x
    - Mulisms and circumcision - Golda
      - My dh is from Morocco... - MT
        Aren't Muslim babies in theArab countries cicumcised before they leave the hospital? nm - x
        Some are, just like anywhere... - MT
      - Thank you again for explaining, interesting and inspiring..nm - x
- Use some common sense - Give me a break
  - You're funny... - MT
- It's a personal decision... - MT
  - How old is your child? - jc
    - Old enough to know... - MT
      - so I take it he's not sexually mature yet? - he may not be so thankful to you
        Quit assuming... - MT
        no kidding - deenibeeni
- I personally don't know the statistics, but - - NYMT
  - why not cut off the ears at birth to prevent - ear infections?
    - Now, that's ridiculous..... - brook
      - and how can it really be compared... - Kendra
  - not being circumcized promotes penile cancer - looks like your god messed up some things
    - Then why is there a higher incidence in the US... - deenibeeni
      - We get it deeni sweetie, you - sm
        No point going to Washington, BabyCakes - deenibeeni
        Baby Cakes, I LOVE it...thanks honey! - sm
        Its not a little piece of skin - read up on it. It plays a lot of important functions. Google it. - nm
        You will have to explain - deenibeeni
    - exactly, and the transmission of STD, - x
      - I would say - deenibeeni
  - Then why tonsils, appendix?? - Nola
    - Deenibeeni: This you should know as an MT regarding tonsils! - brook
      - You need to read my posts more carefully. - deenibeeni
        but they look GROSSSSS EWWW - i would never saddle my child with
        Scary - you gotta be kidding - nm
        let's just say that's one more reason i'm proud - to be an American LOL
        I'm only posting this - deenibeeni
        she is just expressing her feelings, do NOT BASH HER FOR THAT.. - x
        oh yea don't forget the smegma smell - guess that's why the French stink
        Now I know who I'm dealing with - deenibeeni
        RIGHT, LMAO...nm - brook
        Nonsense... - MT
        an uncircumcised penis - reminds me of a dog penis
        Right, but with the foreskin ON, they stink even more,...nm - brook
        You must pick gross men in general... - MT
        I am PRO CIRCUMCISION, so I am NOT A STINKY GIRL, YOU ARE! nm - x
        You're funny... - MT
        true - n/m
    - They were removed because they became INFECTED - deenibeeni
      - Brook - you are the one misinformed - nm
        circumcision, yes or no, definitely yes! - x
        "a little pain" - deenibeeni
        deeni, are you perhaps a man who is lamenting the loss of his foreskin?...nm - hmmm
        no, I'm not a man - deenibeeni
        Just let it go, I say yes to circumcision...nm - x
        uh, I say no. - deenibeeni
        Oy Vey, your poor family! What a meshuga...nm - nm
        I had it with you! What's wrong with you!..see message - x
        There is a growing body of evidence - deenibeeni
        Duh, duh ??? - x
        Risks - deenibeeni
        You are CRAZY. end of discussion, you are in your own....nm - brook
        She is DENSE, don't bother any longer. Like talking to a wall... - nm
        What does being Jewish have to do with it? - deenibeeni
        oh? - sadie
        Jews against circumcision - deenibeeni
        It means your family has to put up with you and I feel sorry for them... - sm
        I would bet a lot of money - deenibeeni
        Oh sweetheart, give it a rest already..we know how perfect you are.. - sm
        "sweetheart" and "honey" - deenibeeni
        sweetie, you are still DENSE...you obviously can't read... - sm
        Uh, no - deenibeeni
        yes, deenibeeni, take a hike or fly a hike, toodle-loo/ nm - x
- Child abuse, hardly - Nola
  - smegma - deenibeeni
    - dear deenibeeni..you are misinformed - brook
      - I did NOT mention in my above post - deenibeeni
        dear deenibeeni, tell your 'wisdom' to - x
        Why deenibeeni is so stubborn - deenibeeni
        Agree with you deenibeeni - we've been conditioned to believe that its good - nm
      - Wrong again - deenibeeni
      - AAP does not agree with you - deenibeeni
  - Yup, Nola is very right about the problems of not circumcising, I held my baby - Cyndiee
    - Nola is very wrong - deenibeeni
      - If I were wrong, you should have told the boys that - Nola
        Well, obviously. For heaven's sake. - deenibeeni
        I don�t read the sites you give as I disagree with you - Nola
        that's enlightened of you - deenibeeni
        Beliefs, those do not even play into any of this warped thread - Nola
        That's not everyone's experience... - MT
      - Deeni, I respect your opinion, but I held both my sons during circumcision......sm - Cyndiee
        20-year old personal clinical experience - deenibeeni
        What the heck? - Nola
        You may find this enlightening - if you really want to be enlightened - nm
        you have no way of knowing - deenibeeni
        LMAO, hahahaha! - queens
        You need to read this and with an open mind - nm
        I'm saying - deenibeeni
        nor can you be certain that there is any effect at all. - Kendra
        It's only a teeny weeny piece of skin, for heaven's sake, get real! nm - x
        Thousands of nerve endings insignificant? - nm
        this is just rationalizing - deenibeeni
        What atrocity? - x
        For those who think the foreskin is useless - nm

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I can't stand those stinky B vitamins

but I guess I should start taking them and see if that is helpful. I'll just hold my nose. Yuck!

Thanks for the suggestion.

circumcision, yes or no, definitely yes!
It is not a necessary procedure, I agree. But it is better to do it, out of hygenic reasons.
It gives a little pain for the baby, it most probably cries more for being exposed and cold.
It does not in any way minimize the sensitivity in later life.

There are cases where in later years the foreskin does NOT expand and leads to phimosis ( an abnormal tightness of the foreskin preventing retraction over the glans) and the then necessary surgical procedure is much more painful.

Just let it go, I say yes to circumcision...nm
nm

Mulisms and circumcision
Islam - Circumcision is not symbolic of being part of the Muslim community, as it is in Judaism, but most Muslims circumcise their sons. Though circumcision is not specifically mandated or mentioned in the Qur'an, many Muslims believe it is necessary because Allah ordered Muhammad to follow the way of Abraham, who circumcised himself. Many Muslims also believe circumcision is a form of cleanliness.

I am also going to speak to my friend Sharif and see what he experienced regarding circumcision growing up in Morocco as a Muslim.

By the way, to those who believe that all Muslims are terrorists and want to do harm to us, you really should meet some Muslim people and get to know them. They are some of the finest people I have ever known.

Jews against circumcision
http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/

speaking of stinky dogs, mine rolled in something dead
Why do they do that!!!?? Is roadkill scent to a dog the same as Tresor is to me?

I mean I was walking him and all of the sudden, he hit the ground. No warning. It was dark and I don't even know what it was.

I barely have time to walk him, forget washing him...

This is to console you. An old stinky dog is better than a semi-old dog with dead scent...

There is a religious not hygenic reason for circumcision.
Like so many Jewish commandments, the brit milah is commonly perceived to be a hygienic measure; however the biblical text states the reason for this commandment quite clearly: circumcision is an outward physical sign of the eternal covenant between G-d and the Jewish people. It is also a sign that the Jewish people will be perpetuated through the circumcised man. The health benefits of this practice are merely incidental. It is worth noting, however, that circumcised males have a lower risk of certain cancers, and the sexual partners of circumcised males also have a lower risk of certain cancers.

The commandment is binding upon both the father of the child and the child himself. If a father does not have his son circumcised, the son is obligated to have himself circumcised as soon as he becomes an adult. A person who is uncircumcised suffers the penalty of kareit, spiritual excision; in other words, regardless of how good a Jew he is in all other ways, a man has no place in the World to Come if he is uncircumcised.

Do you think infant male circumcision is child abuse?

Would you say that its child abuse?? Never thought of it that way before. Came across this article that discusses this question, interesting read. See link below.

Deeni, I respect your opinion, but I held both my sons during circumcision......sm
my dirtly little secret, I used to be an LPN and CMA, used to surgical technology. It takes seconds, and while I had silent tears and I worried and fretted, but they were fine, and Nola is not misinformed here, being in clinical practice for years, and working for general surgeons, I saw many men, some in their 40s, 50s, and 60s, who had infection after infection because they could not retract the foreskin the right way, phimosis is painful and can become precancerous, and yes, we had some gentlemen with penile cancer. As I said, I was able to snuggle and nurse my baby boys both times right after circumcision, no problems. Men's anatomy is so different (!!!!) from female's (duh), so you cannot compare the unsterile, crude labial circimcisions done in third world countries with what is done in hospital for our baby boys. Anatomy just dictates this. I was so glad when my daughter was born, it was not even anything to worry about!

That little girl

For those of us who lived through the "British Invasion", or even if you didn't but saw replays of some of the groups singing, you would remember that the teen girls would scream and cry. Cry. Yes. So when I saw that pitiful-looking little girl, I thought she was planted there sort of as a flashback to the British Invasion period. If that was the reason, it did not work out well. They should have had a group of them doing that. As it was, it just made her look like she desperately needs a psychiatrist.

but did you notice how enthralled she was with Sanjaya? that's why I think it is millions of little girls that age voting for him.

Just my thoughts. My other thought is that AI seems to have run its course.

Go girl!
Go get 'em!! You sound like you've got a good plan. I wish you the very best of luck!

Girl, let me tell you...sm
I know...what's up with her snotty attitude lately? And running for senator, puhleeze! She is so ugly to everyone, including Victor...she best watch it or he'll kick her off her high horse...

you go girl!
nm

You go girl...
Way to go! You are a force to be reckoned with...Congratulations on your victory! Here's to ya...

!(I'm in the ATL area also...hey neighbor!)

I'm with you girl...
My DH loves camping...I told him when he buys a luxury RV, then I'll go~~~maybe~~~ I'm more along the lines of a resort in Key West, now that's a vacation....and ABSOLUTELY NO WORKING...

Me too!...This girl does not...
sleep in an RV, tin can trailer or a tent, let alone on the ground! Hotels all the way for me...don't mind hiking, backpacking, etc...just give me a good room at the end of the day!

I could have been that little girl.
My mom had mental health issues, but back in the 1960s, no one talked about such things. Our house was a horrible mess, and I knew it. I had dirty clothes which were usually old hand-me downs from a cousin. It was really awful growing up. Right up until I was about 13 or so, I used to beg my mother to do "normal" things, like let me have friends over. It was always a disaster. I just didn't understand that she wasn't capable of being like other moms. Eventually, I stopped having friends over, learned to do my own laundry, and worked like crazy in our house to clean and cook. It was a small town, and everyone knew that I had taken on the role of woman-of-the-house. My friends' mothers would invite me over to give me a break and let me be a kid. I eventually stopped even trying to have them at my house. It was torture to even try.

What I'm saying is, let your daughter go to the party. As someone mentioned, you can offer to help. It's very likely that the little girl is painfully aware that her home life is different from her friends. It's not her fault that she lives the way she does. If she's anything like I was, more than anything, she needs friends and to have some normalcy in her life.

that little girl...
I feel for you and what you went through. I have a friend (almost 39 years) who was that girl and my mother encouraged our friendship even though I had doubts - peer pressure. Her mother had mental problems as did her step-father but what a great family. I was in situations and at the age of around 9 I knew it was not "normal" - don't get things in the mind..nothing going on in the family that was perverted!! It was just how they lived but they were such a loving family and I am proud to call Neva my friend as she has been for almost 40 years. I thank my mother that she never judged and still does not (I can be a pain in the ass) and found such a wonderful friend that will be my friend until the day I die. So mom's out there..there may be great friendships that will last for life - don't worry so about things unless need be!!!

Thanks! I owe you, girl!
I'm so proud to show off my new boy.

You go girl!
Man do I hate that phrase but guess it says it in this case.

Why do people always assume we have to be indebted to our parents/children for the rest of our lives. As we get older this is the time we are suppose to take care of ourselves, and for once in our lives think about ourselves. We raised our children, watched them grow from children into adults, put them through school, rooted (sp?) for them at their sports games, supported their ups and downs, watched them proudly at their wedding, or supported them if they decided to be with another person and not marry. We did everything for them. Now when we are at the age of retirement and want to take time for ourselves and think about ourselves for a change we are called selfish and are supposed to feel guilty?????? Give me a break! So who is going to take care of us when we need it? Retirement is the age of "me". That's not a selfish wish, it's what happens in life. Yes we are here to support our kids (emotionally - who are no longer kids), and financially if we can if they need it or if we want to slip them a $20 in their pocket from time to time for no reason, but I'm with the above poster. It's my golden years its now time for me! Life is about growing, knowing who we are, learning about ourselves. Society forces us to follow the bandwagon meaning...your born, you go to school, you graduate and get a job, you get married, have kids, watch your kids grow, retire and take time for yourself. Not once have I ever seen anything talking about getting to know oneselves before going and getting married to another. I do not believe we are born in life just to always take care of other people. We've given enough of ourselves to others. It's now time for me.

You go girl!
I agree with you 100%. Sterotypal stuff doesn't fly well with me either. I am 58 and I also listen to loud rock music, dance when I am cleaning, and read Elle and other more youthful magazines (saying that because they don't usually address my age group!). I say if you want to do it, do it! Feel better yet??

Your little girl - sm
I can't blame you about the bill. That was unconscionable to be so petty about the money. They're lucky their dog wasn't put down and they should know it.

About your daughter - I wouldn't dismiss out of hand getting her a dog. Not right away, of course, but after some time has passed. Let me explain.

I saw my sister attacked by a dog when I was five, and although I wasn't hurt myself, I was terrified for years and years of dogs, to the point where I wouldn't take a walk or ride my bike in an unknown neighborhood. It wasn't until after I was an adult and married and my husband talked me into getting a puppy that I lost my fear of dogs. Taking care of a dog from puppyhood can be the "magic cure" for your daughter's fear as she finds out that most dogs are friendly and loveable.

This also worked for our son, who was nine when we got our first puppy. He was so scared that he actually spent the afternoon in the garage rather than come into the house with Sam (who incidentally was a three month old golden retriever!). Now he owns his own dog and is considering going into veterinary medicine.

Good luck to you and your family. And I pray the owners of the dog that attacked your daughter have an "attack" of conscience and do the right thing by your family.

LOL you go girl!
XX

Girl,
don't go away mad . . .

You GO Girl
Agree 100% with everything you say & stand for. Send me an e-mail & if you have PayPal I will send you some money for your rescue animals (I have 2 myself) right now.

Don't let ANYONE tell you animals are less important to the universe than children; NFW.

You GO, Girl!
I have been thinking about it a lot lately myself. It is very difficult. I've "quit" a couple of times myself, yet here I am, a smoker still.

I have been meaning to ask, are those of you on this board who were discussing group quitting following through? How's it going? Do you keep in touch/support each other through e-mails? Just curious because I haven't seen any discussion about it since the new year began and wishing you all good luck and success, and same for you XanaX!

(Kicking myself for not joining in with you guys!)

You go girl!!!!

Congrats and have fun!!!

WOOHOO...you go girl (OP)...

She was the white girl with the
kind of "punk" look. Dark hair, large red highlight in front.

lol, I definitely don't think the little girl was a *plant*....
but I do agree she may need a psychiatrist! Yikes.

boys or girl
I have 2 of each (yes 4 in all) and I would defitenly say boys right now. My kids are still young so may be my mind will change with age!

I'm no young girl...
I'm a lot older and I think Blake's adorable. To each is own. And by the way, he's as tall as my husband, who by the WA is no creep. LOL.

Way cool; you go girl! : )
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Amen girl!

We are NOT all hillbillies, either!

Is that the one where the girl goes to the inner city...
to live with her dad after her mom dies and she gets involved with the black student and she auditions for Julliard?

amen, girl!

I'm in Fort Worth - where are you??

I think the 14-year-old girl from
Maryland is just wonderful. Such poise, beauty and a great voice. I also like the cowboy with the rope routine!

she's not a girl anymore though
She's 21 and sadly makes her own decisions. She's too addled to know enough to hire someone to watch over her. Coke gives you a feeling of invincibility. Mom's a mess and so is Dad. She was so darn cute in the Parent Trap too.

OMG, maybe you are that girl that punched me. LOL nm
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Well, this girl continued to
do drugs and never got any treatment. I'm sure that has something to do with it killing her! I'm sure she drank alcohol also and who knows what drugs, how often, etc.

You go girl on the laundry....sm
both of our kids know to not even breathe to us that they have dirty clothes as they know how to use the washing machine & dryer and how to use them. It's up to them to do their laundry and clean their bathroom, not me!

....NM ...Material Girl
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Dog named Bo (Bo-Girl) nm
NM

OP only said "daughter", who said it was a little girl?
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I don't know how she couldn't unless the girl
is mentally retarded or otherwise impaired. They say the girl showed no motion whatsoever on the videotape during the attack. No crying, no screaming. Nothing. You have to know that would change a child's personality to have something like happen to her. If my child was suddenly emotionally changed I would definitely seek counseling for her.

and she is SEVEN now for goodness sake ...you would think it would come out by now.

Hayseed, you go girl!
Your forthright honestly and ability to express yourself so naturally, and command the reader's attention is certainly to be admired. Not many people possess that gift. I appreciate your being yourself on this board, and now I look forward to your posts. You are refreshing and appreciated!! Never stop posting!

Daughter is 34, one little girl...
...self-employed at home.

Smart girl
You are right on track. Right now don't worry about divorce or not. Take advantage of NOW while you can and get to school. Medical transcription has no where to go now. There is no bright future for it where you can "advance your career." I too am in a marriage I would leave if I could, but I want to be smart about it and get that education first.